jamesbrownghost
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Yeah,...try the US!
Canadian Government to Privatize Medical growing (news link)
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Yeah,...try the US!
Grandad OG
Member
That actually sounds good to me, I'm glad I'm not a "black market" grower/dealer if this true
But i like what that says about our government if that is the case.I think they realized the system is going to be abused no matter what and fighting it with the same tactics is futile. Maybe they are saying that if anyone is going to be able to abuse it they should only be consumers because that generates more tax revenue and business instead of independent producers skimming profits and having all the power in their hands. Cannabis is such a powerful plant, it seems rational that the government would want at least the same amount of control in that market as they do in the produce or meat market. Not ideal for the connoisseur/grower/breeder and hobbyist tho.
My view of the philosophy in California is that cannabis can have very life saving effects on those who need it for that kind of illness and it can also have a relaxing, sedative, or stimulating effect like a beer at the end of a long active day. This kind of relaxation can be beneficial for your health too. Also, a side note: lesser pains like headaches or back pain are easy to fake but imo also just much much more common, I suffer from those and I think the people abusing the system with those kind of excuses should at least be restricted to customers instead of guys who don't smoke or even know how to grow but wanted an easy job.
Fully legalizing it and taking the "medicine" from the the title is going a lil far out of the comfort zone for most voters in North America so calling it medical and trying to keep it in the background must sound really appealing to politicians who are trying to get this issue out of the way (resolved) for issues that are up in the air still and probably need as much debate as marijuana has been given.
This online/mailorder system sounds at first impression to keep it out of the public's eye more than in cali/colorado which is a really smart/classy move imo. Because out there, especially in Venice Beach, CA LOL, it is really in your face and that kind of attention seeking behaviour causes issues, especially in a much more conservative society like Canada (especially Ottawa).
And how could this mail order/online stuff from a big corporation be more expensive than commercial grade stuff now? Even with the tight quality control, it is mass produced for a nationwide booming market, supply and demand...
We seem to have at least 2 more years before the gouging begins...
"Further to these consultations the Government of Canada will introduce new regulations. The federal regulatory process takes approximately 18 to 24 months to complete, and will begin in 2012."
I sent them a long and articulate email feedback stating the problems with bilking ppl on fixed incomes, for something that can be self-produced for little cost etc... Oughtta be a crime! if ppl abuse it like go over/sell extra to blackmarket - ARREST THEM!!!
Some changes are good though, like eliminating categories/GP's only, no specialist visits anymore. That was a big cause of delays - specialist appt's take months to set up...
Hopefully they realize changes are needed to this - it is unacceptable as-is.
Peace
EDIT: Response:
This is to acknowledge receipt of your comments regarding the proposed improvements to Health Canada’s Marihuana Medical Access Program.
We thank you for your comments regarding this proposal and can assure you they will be taken into consideration as the federal regulatory process progresses. There will be additional opportunities for comment when a regulatory proposal is prepublished in the Canada GazettePart I.
Thank you for writing.
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I sure as hell hope so...
Peace
"Further to these consultations the Government of Canada will introduce new regulations. The federal regulatory process takes approximately 18 to 24 months to complete, and will begin in 2012."
I sent them a long and articulate email feedback stating the problems with bilking ppl on fixed incomes, for something that can be self-produced for little cost etc... Oughtta be a crime! if ppl abuse it like go over/sell extra to blackmarket - ARREST THEM!!!
Some changes are good though, like eliminating categories/GP's only, no specialist visits anymore. That was a big cause of delays - specialist appt's take months to set up...
Hopefully they realize changes are needed to this - it is unacceptable as-is.
Peace
EDIT: Response:
This is to acknowledge receipt of your comments regarding the proposed improvements to Health Canada’s Marihuana Medical Access Program.
We thank you for your comments regarding this proposal and can assure you they will be taken into consideration as the federal regulatory process progresses. There will be additional opportunities for comment when a regulatory proposal is prepublished in the Canada GazettePart I.
Thank you for writing.
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I sure as hell hope so...
Peace
I don't think Health Canadas new plan will get past a court challenge, unless they mandate that medicare plans start covering the costs. Then the provinces will start flipping out because of all the new costs, so will insurance companies.
Either way, it will be at least a year before anything happens, they are still in the planning stages.
Either way, it will be at least a year before anything happens, they are still in the planning stages.
Does anyone know what the hell is going on with this program? Waiting for the doc to sign and mail out the papers. We're just waiting for Canada Post to sort their shit out.
If this does pass it's nice that it'll be more accessible (fuck, it only took me half a fucking decade) but it sucks we can't grow for personal use. I hope people appeal the fuck out of this and cause major shit for the government. Stupid bitch health Minister.
If this does pass it's nice that it'll be more accessible (fuck, it only took me half a fucking decade) but it sucks we can't grow for personal use. I hope people appeal the fuck out of this and cause major shit for the government. Stupid bitch health Minister.
ManitobaMedical
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actually if you think about it pho, shes very smart ,ask yourself this what type of med's can u produce for yourself? none.... and they want to keep it like that , there will be corporations who will sell it to you at a inflated price, but heh this is the world we live in, be foolish to think we would be able to run with mmar program forever. like all good things this program will eventually end.if you have the money the education and the skills maybe you may be blessed enough to produce in the future as commercial producer
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I find that to be a dumbass statement. Maybe people can't produce other med's for themselves(because they need refining), however people are totally free to brew their own wine and beer. Also, other meds are covered by drug plans, therefore most people have no need to produce their own. Pot isn't covered by ANY drug plan, so how are people on fixed incomes going to be able to afford this? Plus, don't kid yourself about commercial growers. I can't see the government allowing anyone into the business of growing except for large government friendly corporations.
All ppl on the program should be recieving a letter from HC about these proposed changes,
and how to respond to them regarding concerns. As I have already, they sent it a wee bit too late.
Make your feelings known, either fight the good fight, or lay down and die w/o a whimper...
Myself, I chose door #1.
Peace
and how to respond to them regarding concerns. As I have already, they sent it a wee bit too late.
Make your feelings known, either fight the good fight, or lay down and die w/o a whimper...
Myself, I chose door #1.
Peace
ijim
Member
The government is falling in line with current US policy. That Cannabis is best left to pharmaceutical corporations that trade stock. Dirty old hippies growing cannabis has no effect on economic indicators and thus all of the money involved in the industry wont benefit those in office or re election. Not to mention that those in power have insider information on who will be licensed and thus their infant children, cousins and relatives can invest wisely in those corporations.
people still dont realize that canada is the only country with federal medical marijuana. this next step is huge for man as a civilization and evolving. the more normal it becomes, the more regulated, the more safe etc. anyone will be able to get a doctors note in the future. we'll get a license like a car, as it is already. greed and fear are brothers in crime, i sense alot of that in alot of these posts. be happy canada is leading the world into a new cannabis age, and be thankful you live in canada. d
ps usda just claimed pot has no medical effects, and is working feverishly to shut down state laws as we speak
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-marijuana-20110709,0,1346255.story.
read em and weep, d
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-marijuana-20110709,0,1346255.story.
read em and weep, d
Grandad OG
Member
My only fear is that politicians only jump on board when $ and corporations are involved, so what or who is going to stop them when it gets out of control? And in the name of quality control they could do anything to the product.
SirTOKESalot
Member
Who is stopping all of us from growing the meds and hoots we want, like alot of us do right now? Keep growing, doing your thing and let all of the lazy ones go buy there generic mass produced grass at mac's.
There are some that buy Veg at a store and some that grow and can there own.
I fully intend to always grow my own grass, inles there is a LEO watching and im about to get busted, but yeah its a step in making it more of the NORM.
I dont know about you guys but I would like to be a little more free with my smoking and a little more open with people. The more people tokin the better!
There are some that buy Veg at a store and some that grow and can there own.
I fully intend to always grow my own grass, inles there is a LEO watching and im about to get busted, but yeah its a step in making it more of the NORM.
I dont know about you guys but I would like to be a little more free with my smoking and a little more open with people. The more people tokin the better!
British Columbia Man Faces Six Months in Jail for Growing Food
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/07/bc-man-faces-six-months-in-jail-for-growing-food.php
i draw parallels between this and the outlawing of growing one's own medicine. anything that puts barriers in between growing one's own food or one's own medicine is unconstitutional, unfree, and overall unsound.
p.s. which depot is gonna grow me a landrace sativa and sell it to me for $0.50 cents a gram? anyways the way i see it the eradication of PPL's and the shutting down of dispensaries will merely drive up street prices so back to the good old golden days guys!!!! im on the fence about all this, too many people with too many personal interests swaying the discussion, its hard to imagine how anyone can argue against my right to grow my own medicine and tell me that this type of change is good for me. people fought long and hard for these advances and at every step of the way Health Canada and the rest of the feds have done what they can to withhold meaningful progress.
an ideal medical program for me would involve the changes as put forth by HC (ease of access, depots producing meds privately) but also allow people to get their own PPL's. if HC can license depots and put in place the health inspection and associated practices involved in regulating such an industry, they can work with people with PPL's through a similar regulatory and oversight process to ensure they aren't growing more plants than they should, etc. etc.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/07/bc-man-faces-six-months-in-jail-for-growing-food.php
i draw parallels between this and the outlawing of growing one's own medicine. anything that puts barriers in between growing one's own food or one's own medicine is unconstitutional, unfree, and overall unsound.
p.s. which depot is gonna grow me a landrace sativa and sell it to me for $0.50 cents a gram? anyways the way i see it the eradication of PPL's and the shutting down of dispensaries will merely drive up street prices so back to the good old golden days guys!!!! im on the fence about all this, too many people with too many personal interests swaying the discussion, its hard to imagine how anyone can argue against my right to grow my own medicine and tell me that this type of change is good for me. people fought long and hard for these advances and at every step of the way Health Canada and the rest of the feds have done what they can to withhold meaningful progress.
an ideal medical program for me would involve the changes as put forth by HC (ease of access, depots producing meds privately) but also allow people to get their own PPL's. if HC can license depots and put in place the health inspection and associated practices involved in regulating such an industry, they can work with people with PPL's through a similar regulatory and oversight process to ensure they aren't growing more plants than they should, etc. etc.
bingo bango bongo
the clear lack of understanding of overarching issues in this debate is frightening because in a few years you will all be asking how we got here. organic food/medicine production does not serve profitable interests until it is legitimized in the corporate sphere and you are seeing this going on right now. just like how 'organics' is just another empty buzzword today as a result of vested governmental and business interests realizing they can make a big profit on changing trends, 'medical mj' will be just another profitable enterprise for the big boys.
one of the most important parts of growing for me is the longterm spiritual healing process that comes with growing and consuming my own produce (marijuana and food both). think about all the people that will miss out on that when the growing of their own meds is outlawed.
a 600w light in the closet and the care you need to give such a garden and the mental calmness and tranquility that comes with it is just as important to the never ending good health process that cannabis and good organic food can help facilitate. and dont tell me those 600w growers will be fine even if they are doing it illegaly because they are small fish, because even 1 guy out of 500 getting busted and having their place ransacked, going to court, pay fines, do some time in jail, is not worth whatever convenience everyone else achieves.
In Uruguay I can grow 8 plants for myself no matter my condition (medical need or not). it is listed as one of the freest countries in the world. Canada is known worldwide and increasingly so as a purveyor of economic-industrial injustice. if i were travelling in south america in particular i would be careful to not let people know of my nationality. im thankful to be healthy and happy and living in a place where i wont get my head cut off by my govt for growing some plants (altho they might wanna lock me up for it) but in no way do i ascribe any of my beliefs to that "if you don't like it move to (somalia, iraq, etc.)".
huh this sounds like the closest thing to utopia we got on earth.
Uruguay is one of the most economically developed countries in South America, with a high GDP per capita and the 52nd highest quality of life index in the world as of 2010, and first in quality of life/human development of Latin America, when inequality is factored in.[3][8] According to Transparency International, Uruguay is rated as the 2nd least corrupt country in Latin America (behind Chile), although Uruguay scores considerably better than Chile on domestic polls of corruption perception.[9] Its political and labour conditions are the highest level of freedom on the continent.[1] It was the highest rated country in Latin America on Legatum's 2010 Prosperity Index.[10] Reader's Digest ranked Uruguay as ninth "Most livable and greenest" country in the world, and first in all the Americas.[11] Uruguay is ranked highest in Latin America on the Global Peace Index.[12]
Uruguay was the first South American country to legalize same-sex and different-sex civil unions at a national level,[13] and to allow gay adoption.[14] Uruguay and Bolivia were the only countries in the Americas which did not go into recession (2 consecutive quarters of retraction) as a result of the Late-2000s financial crisis.[15] Uruguay is reimbursed by the UN for the majority of its military spending, because the majority of its military is deployed as UN Peacekeepers. In 2009, Uruguay became the first nation in the world to provide every school child with a free laptop and wireless internet. Uruguay was the first nation in the Americas to test hemp cultivation.[16]
http://www.ask.com/wiki/Uruguay
Uruguay is one of the most economically developed countries in South America, with a high GDP per capita and the 52nd highest quality of life index in the world as of 2010, and first in quality of life/human development of Latin America, when inequality is factored in.[3][8] According to Transparency International, Uruguay is rated as the 2nd least corrupt country in Latin America (behind Chile), although Uruguay scores considerably better than Chile on domestic polls of corruption perception.[9] Its political and labour conditions are the highest level of freedom on the continent.[1] It was the highest rated country in Latin America on Legatum's 2010 Prosperity Index.[10] Reader's Digest ranked Uruguay as ninth "Most livable and greenest" country in the world, and first in all the Americas.[11] Uruguay is ranked highest in Latin America on the Global Peace Index.[12]
Uruguay was the first South American country to legalize same-sex and different-sex civil unions at a national level,[13] and to allow gay adoption.[14] Uruguay and Bolivia were the only countries in the Americas which did not go into recession (2 consecutive quarters of retraction) as a result of the Late-2000s financial crisis.[15] Uruguay is reimbursed by the UN for the majority of its military spending, because the majority of its military is deployed as UN Peacekeepers. In 2009, Uruguay became the first nation in the world to provide every school child with a free laptop and wireless internet. Uruguay was the first nation in the Americas to test hemp cultivation.[16]
http://www.ask.com/wiki/Uruguay
