While many marijuana growers are piling on Obama,I want to here the same growers explain how dispensary operators like DeAnglo or Lee AREN'T profiteers.
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While many marijuana growers are piling on Obama,I want to here the same growers explain how dispensary operators like DeAnglo or Lee AREN'T profiteers.
i get it...Lol. Mr. all or zero. There's something you don't get about inherent powers being [neither] all encompassing nor totally benign. But you have trolling down to a science.
But hey, huff post didn't say it, I did. I guess there's no sense in being relevant when you're already batting a thousand.
Are you certain about that? I mean as I understand it there are three branches to the government, not two. The Executive, The Legislative and the Judicial. I'm not so sure it's as simple as firing someone or calling someone else and saying "Make it stop". US Attorney's are appointed by the President as are Supreme Court Justices but beyond that I'm not so sure the President has much say. If he had as much control as you imply it would seem to me that would undo the checks and balances created by having 3 seperate branches to the government. Nor am I convinced Obama is all that concerned about "The Marijuana Vote" if he was he wouldn't have chided the people asking about legalizing marijuana in that Internet Townhall he had back when he was first elected.
Oh and as for analogies, well an analogy doesn't have to be a perfect match to the thing it's being compared to, merely close enough to get the point across which in this case is that blame seldom if ever rises to the top and therefore it's hypocritical to hold the president to a standard that people don't hold other leaders or even themselves to.
Another thing to keep in mind is this. The last time a President tried to treat the US Attorney's office as if it answers to the President was when Attorney General Alberto Gonzales arbitrarily fired US Attorney's who didn't best serve the President's will. It caused such a controversey that in the end nine of the top DOJ Officials including Gonzales, retired a few months later. The controversey also caused Congress (by a large majority) to take away the provision that allowed the Executive branch to have such influence over the US Attorney's. So unless Obama could prove these Attorneys going after dispensaries was criminal, he couldn't fire them even if he wanted to.
Yeah man thats a reasoned response. Thanks for that. I am quite aware of the relationship of the three branches, the cabinet and the presidential appointees. I think on this issue, where the president made commitments to support the rights of dispensaries to operate and provide a service, he has articulated a policy. For his appointee to go against that is not to be expected. Obama could stop Holder with one phone call on this issue. Holder absolutely answers to Obama and could be fired in a new york minute by Obama fior insubordination. Holder is an extension of Obama policy. So I guess we gonna disagreee on that one. I feel that since the dispensaries are following states laws in in terms of their right to have the business in the first place and with the presidential nod previously, it puts this issue squarely in the "do not touch without talking to the president" catagorie and what Im saying is that Obama knew, knows and approves based on his reaction thats all. Its a small point Im making it doesnt really matter why they are doing it but it is on Obamas watch so he gets the credit in the broadest historical sense even if what you are saying is true. Did he order it? Maybe we will know some day.
Im just providing the counter point for those who are in lock step with the US Attorneys in their effort to shield the pres. I mean why would you choose to believe a bunch of Feds over common sense especially when we know they lie and they clearly have a reason to lie here...
For what ever reason this was done Obama will wear it whether he was directly responsible or not. This backpedaling to distance himself will not carry any water with our community. If this was done with his compliance to gain favor with the more conservative elements in our country it was a foolish miscalculation. That side hates everything that he is , and will still protest against him. Look at presidential candidates like Rick Perry that still float the birther rumors in our national dialogue. The birth certificate issue will never die because too many people want to believe in it regardless of the facts. Fact is Obama never said he would legalize mj, and he avoided the subject as much as he could during the election. At the first FB townhall meeting he derided people for mj legalization being their number 1 priority. When in reality he should double down and become the Liberal he always being accused of and he would actually stand a better chance of being reelected!
Well then there ya go.
I think it is naiive to choose to believe a cop over common sense.
The president has zero chance of capturing any percentage of the conservative vote. He is the antithesis of conservatism. In fact along with the conservatives the indis are gonna vote him out, not someone else in, if ya get my drift. (ABO)
Holder may be fired (submit his resignation) anyway over his lies and tricks on F&F but hey you have every right to go right on believing what the feds tell you. LOL...
so some belive the DOJ operates as an autonomous entity with no direct supervision from the executive branch?!?!?
whom does holder report to?
For what ever reason this was done Obama will wear it whether he was directly responsible or not. This backpedaling to distance himself will not carry any water with our community. If this was done with his compliance to gain favor with the more conservative elements in our country it was a foolish miscalculation. That side hates everything that he is , and will still protest against him. Look at presidential candidates like Rick Perry that still float the birther rumors in our national dialogue. The birth certificate issue will never die because too many people want to believe in it regardless of the facts. Fact is Obama never said he would legalize mj, and he avoided the subject as much as he could during the election. At the first FB townhall meeting he derided people for mj legalization being their number 1 priority. When in reality he should double down and become the Liberal he always being accused of and he would actually stand a better chance of being reelected!
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how in the world does the president say "what im not going to be doing is using justice department resources to circumvent stte laws on this issue"
we all know the president cant control justice department resources right?
2008 said:A spokesman for Obama’s campaign blamed confusion over the meaning of decriminalization for the inconsistencies, and said that while Obama does not support decriminalization, "we are sending far too many first-time, nonviolent drug users to prison for very long periods of time, and that we should rethink those laws."
2009 said:Obama actually interrupted the M.C of the event -- Jared Bernstein, chief economist to the Vice President -- in order to tackle the topic. He kept his answer brief.
"There was one question that voted on that ranked fairly high and that was whether legalizing marijuana would improve the economy and job creation," he said. "And I don't know what this says about the online audience, but ... this was a popular question. We want to make sure it's answered. The answer is no, I don't think that's a good strategy to grow our economy. All right."
Responded Bernstein: "Thank you for clearing that up."
2009 said:(White House press secretary Robert Gibbs later clarified Mr. Obama's position: "The president opposes the legalization of marijuana…he does not think that's the right plan for America." Pressed by CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller, Gibbs declined to discuss the president's position on medical marijuana.)
2010 said:The president’s tough position was delivered in early March by his “drug czar,” Gil Kerlikowske, in a private talk before police chiefs in California – which is ground zero for this debate.
“Marijuana legalization – for any purpose – is a nonstarter in the Obama administration,” said Mr. Kerlikowske, a former police chief himself.