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Ummm ... that's for huffing butane and other nasty things and has No Bearing on the subject at hand. Nice Try ... but No Cigar.
Are you serious?!?! What do you think you are doing when you use a lighter with a pipe...INHALING burnt, AND unburnt butane there genius! Wow, I am still in shock you wasted the time to post that without thinking...Weedman Herb said:Ummm ... that's for huffing butane and other nasty things and has No Bearing on the subject at hand. Nice Try ... but No Cigar.
SpoCannabis said:Are you serious?!?! What do you think you are doing when you use a lighter with a pipe...INHALING burnt, AND unburnt butane there genius! Wow, I am still in shock you wasted the time to post that without thinking...
bleezie said:therefore you are inhaling a the burnt fumes of butane, which is i think more chemically toxic than butane itself because it has chemically changed after igniting.
TwoOhSix! said:LOL is this your expert opinion? Take a chemistry class or something man, that is some retarded logic you have going on there.
The reactants in butane ignition are C4H10 and O2 and the products are CO2 and H2O. The balanced equation is as follows:
2C4H10 + 13O2 -> 8CO2 + 10H2O
I'm inhaling carbon dioxide and water! Oh no!
B420 said:Wow, Great read I was completely unaware of the damage I was doing with the bics. Already ordered some of this beeline. Curious to see how it works and if I like using it. But for only $2.99 it was worth a try. Thank you for shedding light on a way to smoke healthier. Guess it no bongs for now just back to the vape.
B420 said:Wow, Great read I was completely unaware of the damage I was doing with the bics. Already ordered some of this beeline. Curious to see how it works and if I like using it. But for only $2.99 it was worth a try. Thank you for shedding light on a way to smoke healthier. Guess it no bongs for now just back to the vape.
Truthman said:What makes beeline better is because it has a lower temperature than lighters due to the beeswax burning around 470f and lighters burning 2500f-3590f.
This is why there is more taste than with lighters and I doubt it's the butane giving a fouls taste that people talk about but the burned plant fibers.
You still are burning plant fibers with beeline but because of it's lower temperature, you will vaporize more flavor before the plant fibers burn.
BTW, I think you would get the best results using a lotus pipe lighter with Circular Windproof Flame(google search) and just use the heat of the lighter to light the bowl. Doing this will get the taste out and you don't have to worry about inhaling soot from the wax and other low quality lighters.
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1998-05/895030315.Ch.r.html said:On average, the maximum flame temperature will be about 2550 deg F.
http://www.doctorfire.com/flametmp.html said:The starting point for discussing this topic can be the work of the late Dr. McCaffrey, who made extensive measurements [4] of temperatures in turbulent diffusion flames. He used gas burners in a "pool fire" mode (i.e., non-premixed) and studied various characteristics of such fire plumes. He described three different regimes in such a fire plume:
1. Slightly above the base of the fire begins the continuous flame region. Here the temperatures are constant and are slightly below 900°C.
2. Above the solid flame region is the intermittent flame region. Here the temperatures are continuously dropping as one moves up the plume. The visible flame tips correspond to a temperature of about 320°C.
3. Finally, beyond the flame tips is the thermal plume region, where no more flames are visible and temperature continually drop with height.
B420 said:Can you honestly point out to me the place where it has been published that inhaling butane IS GOOD for you. And I only stated I was going to stop using the bong right now simply because I have a vaporizer, which you cannot argue that the vape is much healthier than a bong. I understand that the chemical equation leaves only H20 and CO2 but I am not sure about other variables much like the flint that was mentioned, I do think they are toxic. I am purely stating that I am choosing to try beeline and do an honest amount of research on the subject before I truly make a decision on what I will prefer to use. I only intend to base my choice on my own research and conclusions. And I also understand your remark about the more respected members giving their advise and I am grateful that they do but just because someone isn't as highly respected around here yet does not mean that they have only useless information that should just be looked over with no regard. I never meant to come off stupid here and I will apologize for the comment.
Way to be ;-) They get A LOT cheaper than $2.99 if you buy direct from BeeLine, and buy a box or two. 21 packets in a box - 9ft i believe on each packet.
Mr. Bongjangles said:I agree with a lot of your post.. I do think the "foul" taste from using a lighter comes from more matter being burned as opposed to vaporized.
I've used an "ubie" and a "vaporgenie" portable vaporizer, both of which can be used with a standard lighter.. The vaporizor taste is absolutely there if done right, and there is no extra butane taste, so I think it really is a matter of temperature.
Great point!
As for the burning temperature of Bee Line, based on the average burning temperature of a candle, which I think is a fair comparison, I don't see how the quoted figure of 470f could be accurate.
The site I quote below also gives the maximum temperature of a candle flame as 1400c, or 2552f.
I really don't believe Bee Line could be, nor does it appear to be, that much less hot than a candle flame, they look and feel like the same thing and are working along the same principal.
I also think the quoted temperature of the butane flame is slightly misleading, as that is the temperature at a point of the flame that gets nowhere near the cannabis, and is likely the place where the candle was measured at 2550F.
This breaks it down better than I ever could, from "Flame temperatures of open flames":
So there is a range of areas to be measured, and at the tip, 320C works out to 572F, vs 1652F at the base of the flame. They are using wood as an example I believe, but the drop off is similar for other kinds of fire.
I think the candle measurement of 2550F is measured at the same place as the butane flame, which would make them extremely similar. If the Bee Line drops to 470f where it was measured, then I strongly suspect the bic flame would sport a similar temperature if measured at the same distance.
Holding my finger over the bic and the Bee Line at the same distance doesn't reveal a noticeable difference in heat.. Not scientific, but my crude observations are in line with the data, so I really can't accept the idea that they are that far apart in temperature in real world usage.
Hey, sorry for being a bit harsh.
I just got a bit bothered at the idea of my peers changing their lives around based on what I believe to be false information designed to sell a product.
Really sounded like "OMG I gotta stop using my bong and lighter!" but I may have been reading into your comments a little too much.
Do share the results of your research with us.
chicalyx said:^^^actually a decent post in support of the line. I could actually buy into the lower temps being beneficial.
That said, I can achieve the same thing with a torch lighter held a sufficient distance away. Also, butane definitely does factor into the nasty taste from traditional lighters. Don't care what anyone says. If you torch a bowl with a bic, then torch with a torch w/clean gas, you'll know the difference. OK, maybe not definitely the butane, but definitely something to do with the 'ignition' system, not temperature.
edit: I see that Truthman already laid down the truth about torches.