Are American and Canadian growers biased against Dutch breeders and seedbanks?

[englishrick]

tom was talking about shanti using inaccuracys,,,i have also noticed this!,

shanit is a recrational cannabis breeder,,,,,an thats is cool,,,,,but i could never say hes the best breeder in the world,,,,,id be ignorant if i said that,,,

1 day i will meet someone who will take my breath away,,,,thats the dude im looking for,,,,hyb and de Meijer are the dudes im lovin at the min,,

 

[Tom Hill]

Hempy - I was talking about this....

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=3435

Where Shanti seems to be showing interest, and claiming to be glad to see others showing interest "about such topics".

This is about doubling the number of chromosomes of haploid plants to bring complete homozygosity in a single generation.

Yet, the ignorant hate squad, the biggest shit slingers of all time, the "real breeders don't do fems" crowd, seems to have been cast out far and wide and coming directly from that camp - albeit with an utter lack of ammo. Amusing.

Yes, I have spoken to Shanti, just long enough to let him know that I admired him but that I thought Nev was a complete douche for the way he did Sam. Of course you haven't seen Neville post, are you kidding? And that whole Sam's DEA kakka, yeah, no shit being slung from over there bro, not at all, lol.

Yes, I have grown that Haze, or whatever it is out of Nev's camp. Like you say it "is different to the haze Sam used", I know all this, that's what I am saying. So, what is it? We'll never know, all talk of peds gets side shifted to quality of smoke being all that matters, without fail. Haze goes 14-16 weeks, always has, maybe quicker if folks start playing around with 10hr light cycles etc, I don't know. -T

 

[elmanito]

tom was talking about shanti using inaccuracys,,,i have also noticed this!,

shanit is a recrational cannabis breeder,,,,,an thats is cool,,,,,but i could never say hes the best breeder in the world,,,,,id be ignorant if i said that,,,

1 day i will meet someone who will take my breath away,,,,thats the dude im looking for,,,,hyb and de Meijer are the dudes im lovin at the min,,

Which inaccuracy's?????

Shanti is doing today for medical purposes also, not only recreational and he was/is involved in developing strains for essential oil industry.

You mean Etienne de Meijer????

Namaste

 

[englishrick]

TOM SAID IT!!!,,,,,,,,,geez i forgot to mention this,,,,,"real breeders don't do fems" crowd,,,,,,this is exactly why i cant chat to the MNS camp,,,,they seem ignorant

i even saw some peeps over at MNS talking sh1t to sams wife,,,,it was mad

 

[elmanito]

TOM SAID IT!!!,,,,,,,,,geez i forgot to mention this,,,,,"real breeders don't do fems" crowd,,,,,,this is exactly why i cant chat to the MNS camp,,,,they seem ignorant

i even saw some peeps over at MNS talking sh1t to sams wife,,,,it was mad

I hope Tom will pop by to explain all this about the inaccuracy's.(I'm just curious)
Why won't real breeders don't do fem crowd.Sam is talking to you and Tom, don't they.

That's not Shanti's fault, but i believe he did say something about it to the guys to behave themselves.

Namaste

 

[englishrick]

imho shanti perpetuates this "FEM IS BAD" thing,,,,,,

 

[elmanito]

He had said that he could not promise that his seeds would be hermie free when he would sell fem seeds, that's the reason he still sells regular seeds.

Most Dutch & co seedbanks sell femseeds which aren't proper tested for the hermie factor, so often you have to chance to come up with a hermie plant instead of only a female one.

Namaste

 

[englishrick]

"He had said that he could not promise that his seeds would be hermie free when he would sell fem seeds,"

im sorry man,,,,it just sounds to me like hes not the breeder I am looking for,,,,im looking for another type of thinking,,,,,,i think sam has hit higher notes than that,,,,,,so has tom,,,,im sorry im saying this,,,i love shanti just as much as the next ganja crusader

i think shanti is amazing but i think he could do better if he pushed himself,,,,so could we all

im sorry man

 

[englishrick]

sorry man,,i just wana say something...

tom was talking about shanti using inaccuracys,,,i have also noticed this!

i shouldnt speculate wht anyone is thinking,,,its stupid of me,,,

sorry about that!!

 

[indifferent]

It's hard for Shanti to do anything new because he has his hands full maintaining the strains he already has.

I suppose he's more of a preservationist than a breeder as he has a load of great lines to maintain, some he bred, some Neville bred.

I feel sorry for Shanti having to deal with the legacy of outright lies and fraud that Neville left him. Sure, Nev left him with lots of great genes but he also left him with a legacy of bullshit to cope with.

 

[elmanito]

Why are you excusing yourself to me??? Most of the time i'm dealing with landraces.LMAO

IMO the best breeder is Mother Nature herself.Never had any problems with pure landraces.

I'm glad that a few seedbanks sell landraces today to keep those strains alive.

@Tom
Thanks for the link of GW Pharmaceuticals.I've great respect for Etienne de Meijer and the breeding stuff he is been doing.

Namaste

 

[Dalaihempy]

tom was talking about shanti using inaccuracys,,,i have also noticed this!,

shanit is a recrational cannabis breeder,,,,,an thats is cool,,,,,but i could never say hes the best breeder in the world,,,,,id be ignorant if i said that,,,

1 day i will meet someone who will take my breath away,,,,thats the dude im looking for,,,,hyb and de Meijer are the dudes im lovin at the min,,

Rick you seam like a guy that wants to Lorne but to say shanit is a recrational cannabis breede is ignorant and misspending you my friend have no idea of what your talking about or posting about do you.

Aw great, hempy is on his soapbox again. Come on mate, you're like a broken record defending Neville all the time. Regardless of any work he did, you can't deny Nev was full of shit, he was notorious in Amsterdam for making up tales. The Haze story he came up with was BS, as was the G13 story and the NL5 'clone-only' story, lies, lies, lies, it obscures the reality of his work and makes it difficult to judge how much credit to really give him.

Stick to your 'thias' mate and your stupid claims to have invented the bucket with a hole in it.

You mate have more handles than i have under pants you need to grow up no more mr nice hempy Dali put to the side now rolls sleeves up and time we get down and personal as that is how you like to post well lets start.

The broken record is you BH you have posted all across the boards rubbishing Neville basing your accusations on thearys even in a magazine correct you have taken Sams side and rubbish Neville every chance you get what do you think people can nott see it clear as day my friend.

You think it is okay to talk about people you know nothing of or there bissness or travels and the rest you know nothing of and then make out you do its wrong and your ass needs to be put into its place you are a nobody.

BH what have you given the cannabis community apart from thearys and hate ? Yea bull shit and the grow method i past on that other people named the hempy bucket which makes your plants look like seedlings piss poor effort on your part by the way i did came up with in the erly 80s and i got they idea from an aquaponic hydro kit i got from a company that specialises in commercial hydroponics It was established in 1969 as a research and development company a pioneer in the development of hydroponic systems and design and supply of specialised nutrient formulations and growing medias i told the owner of my idea who has many degrees even he did not believe it would work so you see smart ass even in the 80s the guy that has been in the Industrie and a leeder at that did not believe it would work so how did i steel it when people that were pioneer in the development of hydroponic systems since 1969 did not think it would work let alone hear of it before all i have done is pass it on shear my idea and tell the truth .

Your a jealous nobody full of hate its dip shits like you that has made me not want to shear any more and i wont.

You need to focus on growing mate improve them things you call plants.

As for Neville's g13 and the rest of his work you have no idea or ever will why because people would not tell the likes of you any thing you be lucky if people would stop to even ecnoligue you.

Harsh no very deserving i think.

Hempy - I was talking about this....

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=3435

Where Shanti seems to be showing interest, and claiming to be glad to see others showing interest "about such topics".

This is about doubling the number of chromosomes of haploid plants to bring complete homozygosity in a single generation.

Yet, the ignorant hate squad, the biggest shit slingers of all time, the "real breeders don't do fems" crowd, seems to have been cast out far and wide and coming directly from that camp - albeit with an utter lack of ammo. Amusing.

Yes, I have spoken to Shanti, just long enough to let him know that I admired him but that I thought Nev was a complete douche for the way he did Sam. Of course you haven't seen Neville post, are you kidding? And that whole Sam's DEA kakka, yeah, no shit being slung from over there bro, not at all, lol.

Yes, I have grown that Haze, or whatever it is out of Nev's camp. Like you say it "is different to the haze Sam used", I know all this, that's what I am saying. So, what is it? We'll never know, all talk of peds gets side shifted to quality of smoke being all that matters, without fail. Haze goes 14-16 weeks, always has, maybe quicker if folks start playing around with 10hr light cycles etc, I don't know. -T

Tom i don't get involved in Neville and Sams affairs because there are always 2 sides to every story when 2 people are involved Sam has his Neville his.

As for there haze being whats used in mr nice it is real and i spoke to shanti about it the guy is as honest as they get he knows my family its not like we just met for a coffe shanti i call him a friend the guy has no negativity about any one he just cares about his work he could sit here wasting his time day after day on people that have no clue of what there talking about but he does not like he says the one betting the empty drum makes the most noise .

 

[Stinktoe]

what was the question again?

 

[indifferent]

Jeez hempy, you need to learn to write in proper english with half decent spelling.

Neville lied about Haze, G13 , NL5 and others, but hempy will never admit that.

Hempy is the broken record, and a crackly, old, beaten up record it is too, hell, you can't even make out what he's on about half the time.

Learn to use a spell checker you old fool! Too much 'thia' or what?

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

This might sound like an echo of my earlier post on this thread, but I think we can all agree that truth and accurate pedigree keeping are the real measure of the breeder. And, truth be told, those qualities are more likely to be in short supply if there's money or fame involved, no matter what country the breeder hails from. Breeders of all animals and plants become more accountable as they gain skill, or they fail. In real life, Mr. Greengenes is very easy going guy, and my gardening style is similarly loose and freewheelin'. But, my friends are often shocked when I give them seedbatches to test run, because I turn into a NAZI! Every plant must be labled, or it's out of the plan, period. Missed that one? Too bad, hope it's not the best. It's not my personality at all, but there's no other way (than the highway).

 

[englishrick]

ive just never heard of shant jumping out of the recreational side of the industry,,,,i like the science people,,,,shanti preserves the 1990`s hybrids with amazing class,,,

i have nothing against the him,,,i fact i admire him

but he need to confront this fem issue,,,its positive aplication as a breeding tool is too big to turn a blind eye to,,



im just specking with an open heart,,,,i want the best for all of us,,,,so i cant see how im wrong,,im sorry ,,,i probbly shouldnt have opend my mouth

 

[headband 707]

OLD and SPELLING LOL LOL FFS

OLD and SPELLING LOL LOL FFS

Jeez hempy, you need to learn to write in proper english with half decent spelling.

Neville lied about Haze, G13 , NL5 and others, but hempy will never admit that.

Hempy is the broken record, and a crackly, old, beaten up record it is too, hell, you can't even make out what he's on about half the time.

Learn to use a spell checker you old fool! Too much 'thia' or what?

Bro in all that all you can say is old and spelling ??? you do need to grow up LOL LOL who cares about spelling LOL LOL LOL I didn't know you signed on as the teacher?? PEACE Headband707

PS do you know what part of the brain bud effect?? it called the Hypocampus lol lol look it up...

 

[Dalaihempy]

Jeez hempy, you need to learn to write in proper english with half decent spelling.

Neville lied about Haze, G13 , NL5 and others, but hempy will never admit that.

Hempy is the broken record, and a crackly, old, beaten up record it is too, hell, you can't even make out what he's on about half the time.

Learn to use a spell checker you old fool! Too much 'thia' or what?

You are a mental midget and way out of your depth run along before you really piss me off and i go to town on you exposing you for who your really are.

I mite just ignore you like the rest of ICMAG.

 

[JamieShoes]

this thread is hilarious... so in conclusion, "yes"

 

[elmanito]

ive just never heard of shant jumping out of the recreational side of the industry,,,,i like the science people,,,,shanti preserves the 1990`s hybrids with amazing class,,,

i have nothing against the him,,,i fact i admire him

but he need to confront this fem issue,,,its positive aplication as a breeding tool is too big to turn a blind eye to,,



im just specking with an open heart,,,,i want the best for all of us,,,,so i cant see how im wrong,,im sorry ,,,i probbly shouldnt have opend my mouth

A lot of dispensaries what i read are selling MNS strains and he did some grows in Ticino for the essential oil industry in the past.

Since when are fem seeds good application as breeding tool.We had this discussion in another thread before what i can remember with Jones and Kopite.If someone can prove after 30 years of breeding using this method without having any problems, perhaps i'm convinced, but till then i'm totally not.

Namaste