Aliens, yay or nay?

[BushyOldGrower]

This was about aliens and the discussion has gone far afield but that's what we do.

Everyone can say whatever, whenever and most of us still put the thread together in it's long form. Personal issues aside it is an interesting thread.

Egos seem to matter more to the individuals than the subject being discussed so I am going to get some shrooms and get a little more frequency increase so that I can open my own channel to the out of towners.

I think maybe two alien races have vied for control over us. Call them the angels and the demons and suddenly you have the kingdom of god against the rebellious devils. Look at it either way you choose but why good and evil?

Sounds like war propaganda to me. The mother ships are near and they are coming!

 

[DreamsofTesla]

I am going to get some shrooms and get a little more frequency increase so that I can open my own channel to the out of towners.

BOG

Have you ever met this uncle? Psilocybe galindoi philosopher stones (sclerotia) What do you think?

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[HempKat]

No. It just kind of feels like shit stirring. I didn't take the bait the first couple of times, still don't intend to.

I'm not going to go back over who said what and why, whatever. Like we agreed before, it's tedious. I don't feel like what I said or what Anti said was correctly characterized. I also kind of don't care about it to that degree to be honest. I can agree to disagree, and have done so.

Do you feel like I owe you some explanation that doesn't just lead to more arguing?

I guess I'll just ask if anyone here feels like they need an apology, anyone at all. If so, let me know, and I'll apologize. Otherwise there's really not much to talk about.

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Your whole problem here with me and Anti and perhaps a few others is that you read way to much into what's being said to the point of distorting the message from what was intended by the author but then you respond to the person like what you read into what was said is correct even though it was not correct.

You seem to think everyone that doesn't agree with you is some how mad at you or wants an apology. To be honest I could care less about apologies, they're meaningless without the follow up of not doing it again and if I person can bring themselves to admit they were wrong and not do it again then I see no point in wasting time with an apology. My self image is not so fragile as to feel a need to publically shame people to feel better about myself.

Now getting back to what was said, I responded to several different posts about several different points that ranged over a period of the previous two or three days I was not able to get on. That's how forums work though. People leave, they come back, they pick up where they left off. The fact that the discussion ended previously is irrelevent because I was replying to posts from before it ended. The fact the discussion ended does not somehow magically invalidate my points.

I'm not trying to stir shit, nor am I trying to bait you into anything. That's all crap that you are adding to this discussion by trying to look for hidden meaning where there isn't any. Perhaps if you participated in discussions rather then try to treat them like a contest of wills you'll have less of these moments where you feel like everyone wants an apology from you?

I wish I could respond more to what post specifically you were talking about unfortunately I can't since you failed to quote it. I would presume it was the one where I pointed out you had talked about creating a seperate thread for these side topics that grow out of your responses?

 

[HempKat]

HempKat, regarding the law of attraction, I agree we're not able to manifest stuff out of thin air, yet.
What I'm referring to is more like attracting people with the same "wavelengths". Also if there are infinite outcomes to a "problem" or event, then being tuned into a desired outcome may help subtly achieve it. $0.02

Yeah, I get what you're saying. I'm just taking it further and saying the effectiveness of "The law of attraction" is going to very based on the environment. In a huge city where there's millions of unique living beings all seeing the world from their unique perspective and able to interact with countless objects in that world as well as with one another, it creates trillions upon trillions of variables and possibilities. Whereas, alone in a desert with maybe just a few of the local fauna following you around the variables are much much more limited.

Likewise even in a heavily populated area if your dreams are too radically different, than even with lots of variables it's probably not going to come true. Like if say there was a huge gathering of uncontacted tribes in the Amazon, millions upon millions of primitive indians. If you somehow found yourself in the middle of that then I doubt the laws of attraction would seem to work on things unfamiliar to the uncontacted tribes. They probably would still work for universal needs though. Provided of course the uncontacted tribes didn't immediately take you as a threat and kill you. I think you get my point though?

 

[legalizeDK]

Gotta re-post legalizeDK's link, since it's very relevant to the actual subject of the thread:

Scientific UFO Evidence in Norway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADTL69ch6fI




also, this whole 'think it, and it will happen' new age thing is outdated and tedious, lets have professor Dave Chappelle explain it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbS9jZOlQjc

would be nice to read a comment or two on the vid, since everyone was so into evidence and such

 

[legalizeDK]

i know it still does not prove ist origin but its def not military black op

 

[unthing]

very cool link, fakes can be ruled out with this one.

are there any theories what it is? aliens or some sort of unusual atmospheric natural phenomena
whatever it is, why that particular place since sightings have been going on for so long. interesting.

 

[gaiusmarius]

would be nice to read a comment or two on the vid, since everyone was so into evidence and such

yeah, isn't it funny how those videos completely seemed to shut the topic down, both the temple mount one and this Norway one, lol. would have thought there's be a storm of debunking text posted, not just a gaping silence, lol.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

I watch the videos and saw the ones on the temple mount in Jerusalem. When you see it you find it impressive. I don't know if it's a UFO but if it is the significance of the location blows my mind.

Do you realize that this is where Jesus gave his Sermon on the Mount? This was his sutra of what he believed. People said they all heard him speaking their language even though they spoke different languages. Perhaps he was speaking telepathically. You should read just this one short sermon. I find it most beautiful and I wish you would.

The significance to me is that Jesus promised to return some day. When he left it was in a cloud from heaven and as he left he said, as you see me go so shall I return. I think it was a UFO.

I expect the return of Christ and when this occurs we are warned to be nowhere near any military installations or be in the military. The reason why is that Jesus is returning with legions of angels in power and glory to wrest away the power from your cruel masters.

A new Earth will be provided and peace will reign for a thousand years.

I will continue to believe in my Buddha...Jesus the Christ.

 

[DrFever]

Bushy got a question to ask you i see your right into jesus would you know his exact birth day ????? do you believe in the old testament , new testament or the newer one coming out in what 2014 ????? i can start a story now and in 1 year it will be far from the truth or actual story that has been told lol

how many of the disciples actually sat and ate at your so called jesus table where is jesus body hell do you still believe the earth was made 6000 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0GF6YIk-2s

 

[DrFever]

One more for you bushy

Even the clergy are the bondmen of their own book! There is not a preacher in any orthodox church who can tell the truth about the Bible and retain his position. His salary depends upon his silence concerning all that differs from the creed. The preacher must stifle his doubts. If he is intelligent, he must preach what he does not believe. In this way, the church is the great creator of hypocrisy, and the Bible, the Paper 'Pope of the Protestants, is a barrier to the progress of the world.
If the Bible were the word of God, it would be a perfect-book. It would be consistent with itself and in accord with the facts of nature. God could not contradict himself and remain God. Contradiction is human; Deity must be infallible. A contradiction betrays a limitation of knowledge--a conflict of opinion. Where there is contradiction; there is antagonism of thought --a warfare of mind against mind. Both terms of a contradiction cannot be true; but they may both be false.
Christianity claims that the Bible is absolutely true, and that it is sinful to disbelieve it. As a matter of fact, it contains more contradictions than any other book any Christian ever saw; and these contradictions prove--if they prove anything -- that its writers did not believe one another.
A brief discourse cannot discuss all the contradictions of the Bible; but to deal with about a hundred of them should and will enable you to draw your own conclusions as to the doctrine of inspiration, and the sincerity or intelligence of the orthodox clergy.

In the first chapter of Genesis, there is a legendary account of the creation. In the second chapter, beginning with the fourth verse, there is another account. These legends contradict each other at every point. In the first, the earth is represented as coming into existence completely enveloped in water. In the second, it is represented as being originally a dry plain, lacking even moisture. 1 (Gen. 1:2, 9; 2:6) According to the first account, all the fowls of the air were created out of water--"and God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth". . . and the waters brought forth "every winged fowl after his kind." But according to the second account, the fowls were created out of the ground "And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air." 2 (Gen. 1:20, 21; 2:19) The first story has it that the trees were made on the third day, and that man was formed three days later. The second story declares that man was made before the trees. 3 (Gen.1:12,13, 26-31; 2:7,9.)


If the first account is true, the fowls were created before man. If the second is correct, they were created after man. 4 (Gen. 1:21, 27 2:7,19) The first tale distinctly teaches that man was created after all the beasts. The second is as positive in its assurance that man was formed before the beasts. 5 (Gen. 1:25,27; 2:7,19) In the first account, we are told that man and woman were created at the same time, by one act of creation, and after all other things had been made. In the second story, it is explained that the man was made alone; that the woman was not formed until the man had failed to find a wife among the beasts, and that the making of the man, before the beasts, and of the woman, after the beasts, constituted two distinct acts of creation. 6 (Gen. 1:25,27; 2:7, 20-22) According to the first account, the man and the woman were given the freedom of the world, and were told to subdue it. According to the second, they were confined within the narrow limits of a garden. 7 (Gen. 1:28; 2:15) Read the first account with care, and you will observe that in it the creator is always called "God." Read the second story, and you will see that he is invariably called "Lord God" 8 (Gen. 1:1to 23; 2:4).

 

[BushyOldGrower]

Whoa, I have told everyone to think for themselves and not to have faith in a book but even in fiction truths are presented.

I like what is attributed as being the message of Jesus. I like the gospels of the new testament and I like the Aquarians Gospel of Jesus the Christ. What I don't like are organized religions like the Catholics who use Jesus and warp the true message.

The earth is very old and nothing in the bible dates the origin of the planet. Supposedly Adam and eve were in the garden 6000 hrs ago but the story is not literal as some interpret.

I am not a bible preacher...I see the Buddhist in Jesus and I only suggest you read the short sermon on the mount to see if you agree with the message, not the myths.

 

[bill cooper]

yeah, isn't it funny how those videos completely seemed to shut the topic down, both the temple mount one and this Norway one, lol. would have thought there's be a storm of debunking text posted, not just a gaping silence, lol.

I think you will find dreams of tesla shut the topic down with his endless posting of nonsense not the above mentioned vids lol imo the temple mount vid is clearly a fake and while there is some interesting images in the Norwegian vid i still don;t see anything to make me think its aliens ,personally i gave up posting after i read someone saying aliens blew up the recent meteor that hit Russia but if you really want to believe the 2 videos are convincing proof of aliens don't let me stop you

 

[BushyOldGrower]

You are probably right Bill.

I even find both of those difficult to believe myself.

But, the aliens are here and they are here to help us.

 

[legalizeDK]

bill. why is it clearly a fake. not saying it is not, but what makes you think that

 

[legalizeDK]

it could be an atmospheric phenomena but the lights from 3.46 to 4.06 in the norway vid tells me its not. then again im not an expert

 

[bill cooper]

bill. why is it clearly a fake. not saying it is not, but what makes you think that

The guy that posted the first vid is a film maker and the teenagers that posted the second are film students who studied under the first guys mate !There's also plenty of videos online showing why they are a hoax if you have a search ,i thought it was common knowledge that it was faked

 

[legalizeDK]

well that video sucks then. can it be trusted that the guy is film maker or is it rumor

 

[bombadil.360]

The guy that posted the first vid is a film maker and the teenagers that posted the second are film students who studied under the first guys mate !There's also plenty of videos online showing why they are a hoax if you have a search ,i thought it was common knowledge that it was faked

the problem with all the supposed debunkers of the videos, is that none of them have any conclusive evidence of them being fakes. there's no proof whatsoever, and all is based on speculation such as: "there are rumors that say that all videos were posted by the same person" etc... etc... etc...

also, there's clearly one video that was faked, where there's an american woman saying in english something like: "we have seen like those in missippi" or was it misouri? don't remember... anyway, the fake video can be known to be a fake since people who know about video effects can give you exact reasons why it was edited.

on the contrary, with the other videos it does not happen.

but most importantly, why did the Jerusalem Weather Station camera captured the light as well? were they also in the whole hoax?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHLOW4iuYh0

until someone can come up with real proof of how the videos were edited or faked, then I'll discard them as a hoax, but rumors aren't enough...

 

[DreamsofTesla]

Hi HempKat, Bill, everybody.

I'm going to take another shot at genuine communication.

With respect to this thread, what I've done is drop it an offered to apologize to anyone and everyone. The only thing I'm not willing to do is continue the argument.

My question for you is what's it going to take to get from here to a group hug? Again, the only thing I'm not willing to do is continue the argument.

If there is nothing you'd like me to do about it, then maybe blocking me is the best option.



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