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WhoMan
It seems like its us against the world Wfw1. We can handle it
Just half to hit this crazy hash oil and take it to another level Have an awesome day homie.
Just half to hit this crazy hash oil and take it to another level Have an awesome day homie.
its a very true fact that chem labs go through trucks of this acetone action for rinses and all sort of organic chemistry work.
HOWEVER... a few things should be noted.
1. just because something is organic doesnt mean its healthy for you necessarily.
2. just because something is synthesized doesnt mean its healthy for you either.
3. Acetone is used in chem LABS... and as such can be purged thoroughly and tested for any remnants. I personally do not recommend acetone because of risks i see in solvent being left in oil that was not fully purged.
HOWEVER... a few things should be noted.
1. just because something is organic doesnt mean its healthy for you necessarily.
2. just because something is synthesized doesnt mean its healthy for you either.
3. Acetone is used in chem LABS... and as such can be purged thoroughly and tested for any remnants. I personally do not recommend acetone because of risks i see in solvent being left in oil that was not fully purged.
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WhoMan
And AGAIN THE ACETONE IS NOT WHAT IS BEING SMOKED.
PLANT FERTILIZERS ARE POISON BUT WE DONT DRINK OR SMOKE THAT BUT WE DO USE IT TO OBTAIN NUGGETS. IF YOU DONT USE FERTS THEN SOIL IS PROB EVEN WORSE FOR YOU, EVER MIXED IT? TOXIC. THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE MAKING POINTS ABOUT AND ASK YOURSELF FIRST IF ITS A GOOD ONE. IM NOT TRYING TO BE AN ASS BUT PLEASE UNDERSTAND CHEMISTRY AND HORTICULTURE THEY ARE DIFFERENT BUT ONE NEEDS THE OTHER TO GET YOU WHAT YOU NEED. LIKE FERTILIZERS THAT ARE POISON TO FEED THE PLANTS, THEN, IF YOU LIKE, A LIL ORGANIC ACETONE TO EXTRACT SOME OILS FROM THE PLANT. YOU GETTIN IT YET
TronCarter
Member
WhoMan, why are you getting so bent out of shape that people are posting factual information about acetone?
THEN, IF YOU LIKE, A LIL ORGANIC ACETONE TO EXTRACT SOME OILS FROM THE PLANT. YOU GETTIN IT YET --WhoMan
That sentence above me leads me to believe you still have a fundamental misunderstanding of the term "organic" as it relates to acetone, as opposed to how it relates to food products like cane sugar.
Organic in food terms= free of pesticides and chemicals, not synthesized. Organic in chemistry terms= has carbon.
There is an enormous difference.
These people are posting because they think acetone might not be the safest thing to handle or extract with...if you don't have a Master's Degree in chemistry, you should probably at least read what they have to say and do some research. Maybe you acetone folks could post your purging methods and the chemistry people could let you know what to fix if need be.
THEN, IF YOU LIKE, A LIL ORGANIC ACETONE TO EXTRACT SOME OILS FROM THE PLANT. YOU GETTIN IT YET
--WhoManThat sentence above me leads me to believe you still have a fundamental misunderstanding of the term "organic" as it relates to acetone, as opposed to how it relates to food products like cane sugar.
Organic in food terms= free of pesticides and chemicals, not synthesized. Organic in chemistry terms= has carbon.
There is an enormous difference.
These people are posting because they think acetone might not be the safest thing to handle or extract with...if you don't have a Master's Degree in chemistry, you should probably at least read what they have to say and do some research. Maybe you acetone folks could post your purging methods and the chemistry people could let you know what to fix if need be.
DoggyJones
New member
WhoMan, people are simply trying to differentiate that an organic molecule and organic farming are two completly different things.
An organic molecule contains carbon, hydrogen, and sometimes oxygen and nitrogen.
So acetone would qualify as an organic molecule.
Organic farming is using plant compost, animal manure, and plant derived pesticides to grow plants, instead of using synthetic chemicals.
Would using an organic solvent like acetone to disolve THC work? Yeah, probably, im sure people have tried it successfully.
Would that make the process organic? No. Neither is using alcohol or butane (or any other hydrocarbon) for that matter.
An organic molecule contains carbon, hydrogen, and sometimes oxygen and nitrogen.
So acetone would qualify as an organic molecule.
Organic farming is using plant compost, animal manure, and plant derived pesticides to grow plants, instead of using synthetic chemicals.
Would using an organic solvent like acetone to disolve THC work? Yeah, probably, im sure people have tried it successfully.
Would that make the process organic? No. Neither is using alcohol or butane (or any other hydrocarbon) for that matter.
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Weedman Herb
http://organicdivision.org/organic_solvents.html The world of science is on whos side too ... mincing the word Organic for gardening purposes does Nothing to change the facts ... acetone is an Organic Solvent ... Fuck all whom claim differently ...
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WhoMan
AND AGAIN THE FARMING IS DONE.
.1 What is acetone?Acetone is a chemical that is found naturally in the environment and is also produced by industries. Low levels of acetone are normally present in the body from the breakdown of fat; the body can use it in normal processes that make sugar and fat. Acetone is a colorless liquid with a distinct smell and taste. People begin to smell acetone in air at 100 to 140 parts of acetone in a million parts of air (ppm), though some can smell it at much lower levels. Most people begin to detect the presence of acetone in water at 20 ppm. Acetone evaporates readily into the air and mixes well with water. Most acetone produced is used to make other chemicals that make plastics, fibers, and drugs. Acetone is also used to dissolve other substances.
back to top 1.2 What happens to acetone when it enters the environment?Acetone enters the air, water, and soil as a result of natural processes and human activities. Acetone occurs naturally in plants, trees, volcanic gases, and forest fires. People and animals breathe out acetone produced from the natural breakdown of body fat. Acetone is also released during its manufacture and use, in exhaust from automobiles, and from tobacco smoke, landfills, and certain kinds of burning waste materials. The levels of acetone in soil increase mainly because of acetone-containing wastes being buried in landfills. Acetone is present as a gas in air. Some acetone in air is lost when it reacts with sunlight and other chemicals. Rain and snow also remove small amounts of acetone from the atmosphere and, in the process, deposit it on land and water. About half the acetone in a typical atmosphere at any time will be lost in 22 days. Microbes (minute life forms) in water remove some acetone from water. Some acetone in water will evaporate into air. About half the acetone in a stream will be removed from water in less than a day. Fish do not store acetone from water in their bodies. Microbes in soil remove part of the acetone in soil. Some is lost from soil by evaporation. Acetone molecules do not bind tightly to soil. Rainwater and melted snow dissolve acetone and carry it deeper into the soil to groundwater.
back to top 1.3 How might I be exposed to acetone?Your body makes small amounts of acetone. You can be exposed to a small amount of acetone by breathing air, drinking water, and eating food with acetone. You can also be exposed by contact with household chemicals with acetone. Several consumer products, including certain nail polish removers, particle board, some paint removers, many liquid or paste waxes or polishes, and certain detergents or cleansers, contain acetone. You can also be exposed to acetone if you are exposed to isopropyl alcohol, because isopropyl alcohol changes to acetone in the body. The level of acetone in air and water is generally low. The amount of acetone in the air of cities is generally higher than in remote and rural areas. The typical level of acetone in the air of cities in the United States is about 7 parts of acetone per billion parts of air (ppb). The level of acetone in air inside homes is usually slightly higher than in outside air (8 ppb versus 7 ppb). This is because of household chemical use inside homes. Acetone in drinking water is so low that its levels have not been measured in many samples. In a national survey, the acetone level in drinking water from Seattle, Washington, was 1 ppb. Acetone occurs naturally in many fruits and vegetables. The amount of acetone in food does not increase because of processing or packaging. The average amount of acetone an adult in the United States gets from food is not known.
People who work in certain industries that process and use acetone can be exposed to higher levels than the general populace. These industries include certain paint, plastic, artificial fiber, and shoe factories. Professional painters and commercial and household cleaners are also likely to breathe or touch higher acetone concentrations than the general population. As a member of the general public, you may be exposed to higher than normal levels of acetone if you smoke cigarettes, frequently use acetone nail polish removers, live near landfill sites that contain acetone, live near busy roadways (because automobile exhaust contains acetone), or live near other facilities that are known to release acetone, such as incinerators. The exposure from these sources will be mainly from breathing air that contains acetone or by direct skin contact with it. In addition, children can be exposed to acetone by eating dirt or by placing dirty hands in their mouths after exposing their skin to dirt from landfill sites.
back to top 1.4 How can acetone enter and leave my body?Your body normally contains some acetone because it's made during the breakdown of fat. Your body will make more acetone from body fat if you are on a low-fat diet. In addition to the acetone that your body makes from normal processes, acetone can enter your body if you breathe air that contains acetone, drink water or eat food that contains acetone, or if you touch liquid acetone or soil that contains acetone.
The bloodstream absorbs acetone rapidly and completely from the lungs and stomach. The bloodstream can also absorb acetone from the skin, but less rapidly than from the lungs and stomach. Blood carries acetone to all body organs, but it does not stay there very long.
The liver breaks down acetone to chemicals that are not harmful. The body uses these chemical to make glucose (sugar) and fats that make energy for normal body functions. The breakdown of sugar for energy makes carbon dioxide that leaves your body in the air you breathe out. These are normal processes in the body.
Not all the acetone that enters your body from outside sources is broken down. The amount that is not broken down leaves your body mostly in the air that you breathe out. You also breathe out more carbon dioxide than normal if you are exposed to acetone from sources outside the body because more carbon dioxide is made from the extra acetone.
Only a small amount of acetone that is not broken down leaves the body in the urine. The acetone that is not used to make sugar leaves your body within a few days in the air you breathe out and in the urine. The amount of acetone that enters and leaves your body depends on how much you're exposed to and for how long. The higher the level of acetone and the longer that you are exposed will cause acetone to leave your body more slowly, but almost all the acetone will leave your body within 3 days after your exposure stops. If you exercise or work while exposed to acetone in air, more will enter your lungs because you breathe faster and more deeply during exercise.
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WhoMan
Which one seems more healthier for you. Acetone or ISO. ORGANIC IS ORGANIC in the eyes of this farmer. How does that sound, i think their is a medium their and we can all get along. It is frustrating to keep saying the farming is done, this is used to make another drug Not being a dick.
Isopropyl alcohol (also propan-2-ol, 2-propanol, iso, isopro, isoprop, rubbing alcohol, or the abbreviation IPA) is a common name for isopropanol, a colorless, flammable chemical compound with a strong odor. It has the molecular formula C3H7OH and is the simplest example of a secondary alcohol, where the alcohol carbon is attached to two other carbons. It is an isomer of propanol.
Contents [hide]
1 Production
2 Uses
3 Chemistry
4 Safety
5 Toxicology
6 References
7 External links
[edit] Production
Isopropyl alcohol is produced by combining water and propene.[2] There are two processes for achieving this: indirect hydration via the sulfuric acid process and direct hydration. The former process, which can use low-quality propylene, predominates in the USA while the latter process, which requires high-purity propylene, is more commonly used in Europe. These processes give predominantly isopropyl alcohol rather than 1-propanol because the addition of water or sulfuric acid to propylene follows Markovnikov's rule.
The indirect process reacts propylene with sulfuric acid to form a mixture of sulfate esters. Subsequent hydrolysis of these esters produces isopropyl alcohol. Direct hydration reacts propylene and water, either in gas or liquid phases, at high pressures in the presence of solid or supported acidic catalysts. Both processes require that the isopropyl alcohol be separated from water and other by-products by distillation. Isopropyl alcohol and water form an azeotrope and simple distillation gives a material which is 87.9% by weight isopropyl alcohol and 12.1% by weight water.[3] Pure (anhydrous) isopropyl alcohol is made by azeotropic distillation of the "wet" isopropyl alcohol using either diisopropyl ether or cyclohexane as azeotroping agents.
[edit] Uses
Isopropyl alcohol is cheaply available. Like acetone, it dissolves a wide range of nonpolar compounds. It is also relatively nontoxic and dries (evaporates) quickly. Thus it is used widely as a solvent and as a cleaning fluid (for dissolving lipophilic contaminants such as oil). Examples of this use include cleaning electronic devices such as contact pins (like those on ROM cartridges), magnetic tape and disk heads (such as those in audio and video tape recorders and floppy disk drives), the lenses of lasers in optical disc drives (e.g. CD, DVD) and removing thermal paste from IC packages (such as CPUs.) It is also used to clean LCD and glass computer monitor screens (at some risk to the anti-reflection coating of some screens), and used by many music shops to give second-hand or worn records newer-looking sheens (though it may leach plasticizer from vinyl, making it more rigid.) It cleans white boards and other unwanted ink related marks very well (at the risk of damaging the non-stick surface of the white board). Isopropyl alcohol also works well at removing smudges, dirt, and fingerprints from cell phones and PDAs. It is effective at removing residual glue from some sticky labels (but some other adhesives used on tapes and paper labels are resistant to it.) It can also be used to remove stains from most fabrics, wood, cotton, etc. Isopropyl alcohol is also used to remove brake fluid traces from hydraulic disk brake systems, so that the brake fluid (usually DOT 3,DOT 4 or mineral oil) does not contaminate the brake pads resulting in poor braking.
As a preservative (for biological specimens) isopropyl alcohol provides a cost-effective (when compared to pure ethanol) and comparatively non-toxic alternative to formaldehyde and other synthetic preservatives. When used for the preservation of specimens in solution concentrations of 90-99% are optimal, though concentrations as low as 70% can be used in emergencies.
Sterilizing pads typically contain a 60-70% solution of isopropanol in water. Isopropyl alcohol is also commonly used as a cleaner and solvent in industry.
Isopropanol is a major ingredient in "dry-gas" fuel additive. In significant quantities, water is a problem in fuel tanks as it separates from the gasoline and can freeze in the supply lines at cold temperatures. The isopropanol does not remove the water from the gasoline; rather, the isopropanol solubilizes the water in the gasoline. Once soluble, the water does not pose the same risk as insoluble water as it will no longer accumulate in the supply lines and freeze. Isopropanol is often sold in aerosol cans as a windscreen de-icer.
Isopropanol is used as a water-drying aide for treating otitis externa, better known as swimmers ear.[4]
[edit] Chemistry
Unlike ethanol or methanol, isopropanol can be separated from aqueous solutions by adding a salt such as sodium chloride, sodium sulfate, or any of several other inorganic salts, since the alcohol is much less soluble in saline solutions than in salt-free water [5] The process is colloquially called salting out, and causes concentrated isopropanol to separate into a distinct layer.
Being a secondary alcohol, isopropanol can be oxidized to the corresponding ketone acetone. This can be achieved using oxidizing agents such as chromic acid, or by dehydrogenation of isopropanol over a heated copper catalyst:
(CH3)2CH-OH → (CH3)2CO + H2
Isopropanol may be converted to 2-bromopropane using phosphorus tribromide, or dehydrated to propylene by heating with sulfuric acid.
Isopropanol is often used as a hydride source in the Meerwein-Ponndorf-Verley reduction.
Like most alcohols, isopropyl alcohol reacts with active metals such as potassium to form alkoxides which can be called isopropoxides. The reaction with aluminium (initiated by a trace of mercury) is used to prepare the catalyst aluminium isopropoxide.
Isopropanol has a maximum absorbance at 204 nm in an ultraviolet-visible spectrum.
[edit] Safety
Isopropyl alcohol vapor is more dense than air and is highly flammable with a very wide combustible range. It should be kept away from heat and open flame. When mixed with air or other oxidizers it can explode through deflagration.[6] Isopropyl alcohol has also been reported to form explosive peroxides.[7][6]
Isopropyl alcohol (also propan-2-ol, 2-propanol, iso, isopro, isoprop, rubbing alcohol, or the abbreviation IPA) is a common name for isopropanol, a colorless, flammable chemical compound with a strong odor. It has the molecular formula C3H7OH and is the simplest example of a secondary alcohol, where the alcohol carbon is attached to two other carbons. It is an isomer of propanol.
Contents [hide]
1 Production
2 Uses
3 Chemistry
4 Safety
5 Toxicology
6 References
7 External links
[edit] Production
Isopropyl alcohol is produced by combining water and propene.[2] There are two processes for achieving this: indirect hydration via the sulfuric acid process and direct hydration. The former process, which can use low-quality propylene, predominates in the USA while the latter process, which requires high-purity propylene, is more commonly used in Europe. These processes give predominantly isopropyl alcohol rather than 1-propanol because the addition of water or sulfuric acid to propylene follows Markovnikov's rule.
The indirect process reacts propylene with sulfuric acid to form a mixture of sulfate esters. Subsequent hydrolysis of these esters produces isopropyl alcohol. Direct hydration reacts propylene and water, either in gas or liquid phases, at high pressures in the presence of solid or supported acidic catalysts. Both processes require that the isopropyl alcohol be separated from water and other by-products by distillation. Isopropyl alcohol and water form an azeotrope and simple distillation gives a material which is 87.9% by weight isopropyl alcohol and 12.1% by weight water.[3] Pure (anhydrous) isopropyl alcohol is made by azeotropic distillation of the "wet" isopropyl alcohol using either diisopropyl ether or cyclohexane as azeotroping agents.
[edit] Uses
Isopropyl alcohol is cheaply available. Like acetone, it dissolves a wide range of nonpolar compounds. It is also relatively nontoxic and dries (evaporates) quickly. Thus it is used widely as a solvent and as a cleaning fluid (for dissolving lipophilic contaminants such as oil). Examples of this use include cleaning electronic devices such as contact pins (like those on ROM cartridges), magnetic tape and disk heads (such as those in audio and video tape recorders and floppy disk drives), the lenses of lasers in optical disc drives (e.g. CD, DVD) and removing thermal paste from IC packages (such as CPUs.) It is also used to clean LCD and glass computer monitor screens (at some risk to the anti-reflection coating of some screens), and used by many music shops to give second-hand or worn records newer-looking sheens (though it may leach plasticizer from vinyl, making it more rigid.) It cleans white boards and other unwanted ink related marks very well (at the risk of damaging the non-stick surface of the white board). Isopropyl alcohol also works well at removing smudges, dirt, and fingerprints from cell phones and PDAs. It is effective at removing residual glue from some sticky labels (but some other adhesives used on tapes and paper labels are resistant to it.) It can also be used to remove stains from most fabrics, wood, cotton, etc. Isopropyl alcohol is also used to remove brake fluid traces from hydraulic disk brake systems, so that the brake fluid (usually DOT 3,DOT 4 or mineral oil) does not contaminate the brake pads resulting in poor braking.
As a preservative (for biological specimens) isopropyl alcohol provides a cost-effective (when compared to pure ethanol) and comparatively non-toxic alternative to formaldehyde and other synthetic preservatives. When used for the preservation of specimens in solution concentrations of 90-99% are optimal, though concentrations as low as 70% can be used in emergencies.
Sterilizing pads typically contain a 60-70% solution of isopropanol in water. Isopropyl alcohol is also commonly used as a cleaner and solvent in industry.
Isopropanol is a major ingredient in "dry-gas" fuel additive. In significant quantities, water is a problem in fuel tanks as it separates from the gasoline and can freeze in the supply lines at cold temperatures. The isopropanol does not remove the water from the gasoline; rather, the isopropanol solubilizes the water in the gasoline. Once soluble, the water does not pose the same risk as insoluble water as it will no longer accumulate in the supply lines and freeze. Isopropanol is often sold in aerosol cans as a windscreen de-icer.
Isopropanol is used as a water-drying aide for treating otitis externa, better known as swimmers ear.[4]
[edit] Chemistry
Unlike ethanol or methanol, isopropanol can be separated from aqueous solutions by adding a salt such as sodium chloride, sodium sulfate, or any of several other inorganic salts, since the alcohol is much less soluble in saline solutions than in salt-free water [5] The process is colloquially called salting out, and causes concentrated isopropanol to separate into a distinct layer.
Being a secondary alcohol, isopropanol can be oxidized to the corresponding ketone acetone. This can be achieved using oxidizing agents such as chromic acid, or by dehydrogenation of isopropanol over a heated copper catalyst:
(CH3)2CH-OH → (CH3)2CO + H2
Isopropanol may be converted to 2-bromopropane using phosphorus tribromide, or dehydrated to propylene by heating with sulfuric acid.
Isopropanol is often used as a hydride source in the Meerwein-Ponndorf-Verley reduction.
Like most alcohols, isopropyl alcohol reacts with active metals such as potassium to form alkoxides which can be called isopropoxides. The reaction with aluminium (initiated by a trace of mercury) is used to prepare the catalyst aluminium isopropoxide.
Isopropanol has a maximum absorbance at 204 nm in an ultraviolet-visible spectrum.
[edit] Safety
Isopropyl alcohol vapor is more dense than air and is highly flammable with a very wide combustible range. It should be kept away from heat and open flame. When mixed with air or other oxidizers it can explode through deflagration.[6] Isopropyl alcohol has also been reported to form explosive peroxides.[7][6]
Clearly there's still some confusion going on here,
We are talking about MAKING OIL with DRIED, CURED, BUD and various frosty TRIM
Not doing anything with plants.
Yes acetone is some nasty shit, ever took a wiff of Iso? It's nasty shit too. It doesn't change the fact that there both organic.
Now, yes there BOTH bad for you, of course they are, they key being:
YOUR NOT FUCKING SMOKING EITHER OF THEM.
They both evaporate at a temperature lower then the temp a lighter produces.
Both of these solvents are being used as a TOOL to get the already existing oils out of the bud.
Now. please don't confuse this with threads about other chemicals being in the solvents we use to get oil, use the wrong butane to make your BHO and you certainly will have yuckies in your oil.
Also, if there were concern's about there being left over acetone or iso in your oil after your purge then that's an issue of not purging properly. If you purge properly there will not be any left because acetone is even easier to evaporate then Iso.
We are talking about MAKING OIL with DRIED, CURED, BUD and various frosty TRIM
Not doing anything with plants.
Yes acetone is some nasty shit, ever took a wiff of Iso? It's nasty shit too. It doesn't change the fact that there both organic.
Now, yes there BOTH bad for you, of course they are, they key being:
YOUR NOT FUCKING SMOKING EITHER OF THEM.
They both evaporate at a temperature lower then the temp a lighter produces.
Both of these solvents are being used as a TOOL to get the already existing oils out of the bud.
Now. please don't confuse this with threads about other chemicals being in the solvents we use to get oil, use the wrong butane to make your BHO and you certainly will have yuckies in your oil.
Also, if there were concern's about there being left over acetone or iso in your oil after your purge then that's an issue of not purging properly. If you purge properly there will not be any left because acetone is even easier to evaporate then Iso.
Bumble Buddy
Active member
So that's who's fault it is, what a douche.
Its sort of hilarious really, I see the organic chemistry and organic farming terms used improperly all the time. Also, the term "natural" is so loaded, different people take it to mean vastly different things, and leads to much confusion. It happens with other terms too, strange to hear two people talking or posting messages thinking they are having a conversation when they are actually talking about completely different things.
Aye - if you have organic grown bud and use any organic solvent (acetone, ISO, Butane - these are all organic chemicals) - it doesn't change the fact that the hash you make is still organic.
The buds and resin are made by the plant using decomposing organic matter.
Now there are 3 different meanings of the word organic used above.
1. "Organically grown bud" - bud that is grown without the use of chemical fertilisers - and only using a strict set of guidelines/rules that are set by your growers association.
2. "Organic chemicals" - a classification in chemistry to separate any molecules that contain a carbon atom, from any that don't (Inorganic chemicals). This includes Kerosene, Petroleum, Crude Oil, Methane, Alcohols, Keytones, Acetones, Aldehydes, polyethylene or polythene, polypropylene, nylon, teflon or PTFE, polystyrene, polyesters, polymethylmethacrylate (commonly known as perspex or plexiglas) polyvinylchloride or PVC etc.
3. "Organic matter" - something that is or once was living. Eg. a leaf, soil, humans, etc.
Now don't tell me you can speak English to a high enough level to have this debate and then not know that a single word can have more than one meaning? If so you need to go back to school.
So Organic buds + Organic solvent = Organic hash - yep that I agree with you 100%.
But Organic solvent = Organically grown bud - nope that's incorrect. (And yes organic creatures, such as bacteria or even plants can produce both Inorganic and Organic chemicals.)
The buds and resin are made by the plant using decomposing organic matter.
Now there are 3 different meanings of the word organic used above.
1. "Organically grown bud" - bud that is grown without the use of chemical fertilisers - and only using a strict set of guidelines/rules that are set by your growers association.
2. "Organic chemicals" - a classification in chemistry to separate any molecules that contain a carbon atom, from any that don't (Inorganic chemicals). This includes Kerosene, Petroleum, Crude Oil, Methane, Alcohols, Keytones, Acetones, Aldehydes, polyethylene or polythene, polypropylene, nylon, teflon or PTFE, polystyrene, polyesters, polymethylmethacrylate (commonly known as perspex or plexiglas) polyvinylchloride or PVC etc.
3. "Organic matter" - something that is or once was living. Eg. a leaf, soil, humans, etc.
Now don't tell me you can speak English to a high enough level to have this debate and then not know that a single word can have more than one meaning? If so you need to go back to school.
So Organic buds + Organic solvent = Organic hash - yep that I agree with you 100%.
But Organic solvent = Organically grown bud - nope that's incorrect. (And yes organic creatures, such as bacteria or even plants can produce both Inorganic and Organic chemicals.)
Totally agree - Natural is the worst word in the world and causes so much confusion too.
BurmeseDragon
Member
Ya organic and naturally created poisons make it quite clear that the term organic shouldn't be confused.
Uranium is organic and thousands of naturally found toxins, although I consider a substance to be toxic at times than not at others. Right now many people consider natural drugs to be toxic, when that is very much rarely the case. What drugs do to the nervous system isn't an accident caused by toxicity, toxicity is usually a rare accident.
A lot of organic chemicals can even contribute to cancer, so a lot of people will feel differently about things.
I do have a question about the acetone, did you dissolve buds or just keif? I'm curious because I would think that since acetone has polar properties using bud would also extract unwanted chemicals (chlorophyll, sugars and so on).
Uranium is organic and thousands of naturally found toxins, although I consider a substance to be toxic at times than not at others. Right now many people consider natural drugs to be toxic, when that is very much rarely the case. What drugs do to the nervous system isn't an accident caused by toxicity, toxicity is usually a rare accident.
A lot of organic chemicals can even contribute to cancer, so a lot of people will feel differently about things.
I do have a question about the acetone, did you dissolve buds or just keif? I'm curious because I would think that since acetone has polar properties using bud would also extract unwanted chemicals (chlorophyll, sugars and so on).
deltronZER0
Active member
Whoman:
Bro, stop yelling, you're hurting my eyes.
we know caps lock is the cruise control for cool, but you still have to drive the car
haha just playing.
I was agreeing with you dude, I just meant that I'd rather not have to work with potentially carcinogenic solvents if I could build a still to get pure ethanol or something like that.
and I also was trying to clarify for others too
Bro, stop yelling, you're hurting my eyes.
we know caps lock is the cruise control for cool, but you still have to drive the car
haha just playing.
I was agreeing with you dude, I just meant that I'd rather not have to work with potentially carcinogenic solvents if I could build a still to get pure ethanol or something like that.
and I also was trying to clarify for others too
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WhoMan
Sorry for all the screaming icmag I hope everyone has a positive day and a productive one, oh one last thing just dont drink to much of it (acetone/ISO) guys or it will kill you hehe. This is a good knowledge base for the subject, way to go everyone. That is awesome and it took all of the posts to get us here and i am sure more are too come, i just hope i can control my CAPS LOCK button HEHE. Wonderful day to all.Whoman
I hope everyone has a positive day and a productive one, oh one last thing just dont drink to much of it (acetone/ISO) guys or it will kill you hehe. This is a good knowledge base for the subject, way to go everyone. That is awesome and it took all of the posts to get us here and i am sure more are too come, i just hope i can control my CAPS LOCK button HEHE. Wonderful day to all.Whoman
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WhoMan
Up close hash oil from acetone.
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the only true way to know if residues were present from an extraction would be to have the oil analyzed with a mass spectrometer.. then we know if its fully purged.
when you have a technique for purging such as this
"Once this is done you can either put in a ventilated area and let airdry or i allways get my girls haidryer and blowdry it which does not take long. During this process once all the acetone is gone you will have a green brown film on the glass."
the chance of leaving a small amount of solvent in the product is very real - personally, since im not smoking your oil have fun and process it however you like... i just figured i might try to prevent people from getting cancer or going blind unnecessarily.
consumption of an oil that is not fully purged is not the best idea in general... and would be an even worse idea if that oil was made with denatured alcohol, iso, acetone etc.
when you have a technique for purging such as this
"Once this is done you can either put in a ventilated area and let airdry or i allways get my girls haidryer and blowdry it which does not take long. During this process once all the acetone is gone you will have a green brown film on the glass."
the chance of leaving a small amount of solvent in the product is very real - personally, since im not smoking your oil have fun and process it however you like... i just figured i might try to prevent people from getting cancer or going blind unnecessarily.
consumption of an oil that is not fully purged is not the best idea in general... and would be an even worse idea if that oil was made with denatured alcohol, iso, acetone etc.
BurmeseDragon
Member
So that was from rinsing buds in it? Not bad, I think I see some green chunks; maybe a vacuum hand pumped filter would of taken those out in solution.
Not bad, I but the taste is pretty rich.
Not bad, I but the taste is pretty rich.
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WhoMan
Hey might better worn people about cigarettes first their freedom fighter as i think those are the killers. Not a lil hash bro good day
Haha yeah i just crack the lid open and alil falls out but yes a good screening would keep the pooh at bay.
good dayHaha yeah i just crack the lid open and alil falls out but yes a good screening would keep the pooh at bay
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