ThisBuds4You
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maryjohn I love reading your posts, lol!
Dopey, me and u are in the same boat brotha. Fire up that 1K
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TB4U
1000 watter in a utilities included small ass apartment
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maryjohn I love reading your posts, lol!
Dopey, me and u are in the same boat brotha. Fire up that 1K
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TB4U
InIn my experience, the only time I have gotten utilities included is when there is no meter.
my experience, the only time I have gotten utilities included is when there is no meter.
Maryjohn.... not the sharpest pencil in the box....
What you actually mean is that the apartment is not metered seperately....
Big distinction....
actually it just means that the tenent use in included on another bill...
that bill is examined by the landlord...
If said landlord gets pissed about you trying to 'steal' electric from him...
He can ask the police to negotiate the future relationship with said tenant.... or soon to be former tenant.....
my experience, the only time I have gotten utilities included is when there is no meter.
Maryjohn.... not the sharpest pencil in the box....
What you actually mean is that the apartment is not metered seperately....
Big distinction....
actually it just means that the tenent use in included on another bill...
that bill is examined by the landlord...
If said landlord gets pissed about you trying to 'steal' electric from him...
He can ask the police to negotiate the future relationship with said tenant.... or soon to be former tenant.....
burnt, your grasp of the legal relationship is tenuous at best.
one cannot steal that for which one has already paid. The electricity is not charity given by the landlord. It is included in the rent. Limiting the tenant's use in contravention of the contract, NOW THAT IS STEALING.
Of course there is a meter. I recently had a landlord try to levy an additional electricity fee as he had underestimated usage for the building. Had he overestimated, and charged more rent than necessary, do you think he would have told me? No, and he would have no obligation, ethical or otherwise.
I informed him I would not be paying for anything outside the contract, and that since I considered his attempt at imposing an illegitimate levy (and written notification thereof) an aggressive and unethical act, I also informed him I would not be paying the last month's rent in order to ensure the security of my deposit, as i could no longer consider him a good faith actor. Further, since he could not provide documentation of the escrow account as required by state law (NY), I considered the deposit payment taken for rent. He stormed and foamed, but to no avail. The law was on my side.
Save your insults, and save your peacockery. Nobody is going to meet you, know you, or cares who you are or where you've been. You either have good, reasonable advice for the OP, or you don't. No matter who you fluffed at OG.
what is fluffing in relation to MJ, anyway? I know the pornography term.
one cannot steal that for which one has already paid. The electricity is not charity given by the landlord. It is included in the rent. Limiting the tenant's use in contravention of the contract, NOW THAT IS STEALING.
Of course there is a meter. I recently had a landlord try to levy an additional electricity fee as he had underestimated usage for the building. Had he overestimated, and charged more rent than necessary, do you think he would have told me? No, and he would have no obligation, ethical or otherwise.
I informed him I would not be paying for anything outside the contract, and that since I considered his attempt at imposing an illegitimate levy (and written notification thereof) an aggressive and unethical act, I also informed him I would not be paying the last month's rent in order to ensure the security of my deposit, as i could no longer consider him a good faith actor. Further, since he could not provide documentation of the escrow account as required by state law (NY), I considered the deposit payment taken for rent. He stormed and foamed, but to no avail. The law was on my side.
Save your insults, and save your peacockery. Nobody is going to meet you, know you, or cares who you are or where you've been. You either have good, reasonable advice for the OP, or you don't. No matter who you fluffed at OG.
what is fluffing in relation to MJ, anyway? I know the pornography term.
RicoT
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Lmao, man good post.
edit: As far as the conversation at hand, I see where both parties present valid points...IF you do get caught this COULD be another argument for a charge in court, I'd assume.
INSPECTION OF PREMISES. Landlord and Landlord's agents shall have the right at all reasonable times during the term of this Agreement and any renewal thereof to enter the Premises for the purpose of inspecting the Premises and all buildings and improvements thereon. And for the purposes of making any repairs, additions or alterations as may be deemed appropriate by Landlord for the preservation of the Premises or the building.
You might notice I put stealing in quotes....
because we all know it isnt stealing per se....
It however could be stealing in the opinion of the landlord.....
This argument strays well away from the real point of the discussion.....
Ive been growing for a long time and have never been caught....
I wouldnt consider growing in the circumstances given by the op....
As I said earlier I had a situation exactly like this.....
I asked the kid directly if he was growing dope .....
he melted..... thought he might piss his pants.....
I simply asked he not do that...and he complied......
my electric bill went down......
imagine that......
beejium
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maybe not so much as a helping hand, but a relief of not having to have the other meters installed. i would feel safer seeing my own bills. like i said before if the land lord had the meter installed you would pay the difference in rent anyway, so the landlord can sit nice and comfy. it's not any imagination, or winks/nods it's a mater of not getting in the haste in the first place. if the power ridiculously jumps up questions might be asked and the rent will probably go up. obviously if the bills are included there is only one set of meters. how would it be that i was stating against that? i am also not implying that it is anything more than a contract.
try it out. remember there will be maintenance visits and possibly inspections, so read your contract over and keep the grow quiet and hidden. personally i haven't found a need for that much light. it's not that 1kw hps a lot of power, it would just look like a couple average size appliances run daily. heck my microwave and toaster will blow a 15 amp breaker, which has a much higher spike then a 1kw hps. it will probably look like a dishwasher, washer and drier run daily. i have never been questioned about my power consumption even after welding (miller 350p), which really cranks the bill up. you should be be okay.
I've noticed people saying that 1500w little space heaters draw so much energy, how could someone notice the draw of a 1000w lamp.
Do the space heaters do a continuous draw of electricity, or is that the max they hit every once and a while?
Seems my unvented 400w HPS did a better job heating my house that the 1500w space heater does.
Do the space heaters do a continuous draw of electricity, or is that the max they hit every once and a while?
Seems my unvented 400w HPS did a better job heating my house that the 1500w space heater does.
NEVER, EVER, sign a lease with that clause included. That is a VERY bad clause, and has no business in a lease contract in the developed world. In my current and two previous states (NJ, NY, and CT) and one province (BC), that clause would be considered illegal and unenforceable. I am required to give consent (notice: the consent is still mine to give or withhold) within reason for repairs. If the landlord himself is not doing said repairs, AND I HAVE A RIGHT TO INSIST ON A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL, the landlord has no business in my apartment. So if the landlord is a licensed plumber, I am stuck. Otherwise, entering without my consent is TRESPASSING, and the state of connecticut advises tenants to CALL THE POLICE if it happens. They do respond, and landlords do get arrested.
Where in the hell did you get that clause, and in which state is it legal? Because I will remember never to move to that state. If you are a landlord and you are involved in behaviors you have described, and using contracts with that clause as cover, you are engaged in unethical and possibly illegal acts. You deserve to be arrested, fined, and to spend at least 14 days in jail so you can see what it's like for others to have power over you.
If you are engaged in those acts, and using knowledge of electric bills and threat of law enforcement action to cover up you own illegal, unethical doings, you are guilty of far worse, and deserve far worse, including losing any right to be a landlord at all. Unfortunately, your state probably has week laws protecting tenants from despicable dogs.
Wow, you are possibly the biggest douche I have ever seen on this board!! Congrats!!
You claim to be some high and mighty puter tech and landlord, but you ......write.......so..........well........it makes it........ hard to believe.......
What kind of scumbag landlord throws in a clause that would allow him to enter the home at any time? In my area, that is illegal and your ass would get sued if you try and pull that crap out this way. (cali)
Oh......well............I...........guess.............its.......ok to be a ............electricity hog in your book........unless its for weed.......right.........?.....................?
beejium
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computers and newer space heaters only draw the power that's needed. the wattage listed is basically peak power. in other words when your computer is idling it won't use much power. when you get into heavy gaming, the power supply will use more power. the power supply generally will not have the ability to exceed it's rating. the same goes with the thermostat on the heater, instead of blowing constantly it shuts off when temp is reached. both kinda spike up and down in power consumption. hps on the other hand spike and maintain till they shut off.
beejium
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where i'm from inspections are only legal if first written in the contract. in some places you wouldn't ask why landlords would want to do inspections, you would wonder how people can live so scummy. i'm not sticking up for anyone here, just stating what i have seen growing up.
what state is that?
In CT and NY you cannot sign away your right to be secure in your home.
FYI if you are a landlord watch who you fuck with. If you pulled this on me you would be in for the worst year of your life. Every bit of cooperation you would have to wrest from my hands via legal challenges. Little problems you can't prove were caused by me would start to crop up. Invasive weeds would suddenly swarm your property. The drains would clog monthly for years after I left. I would sit around researching ways to cause damage and depreciation to your property long after I leave, in untraceable ways. I would look for ways to harass you via regulatory agencies and the court system.
Bullying someone like me would not be worth it like it was with that scared little kid. And that's been the case since I was a kid in school and my first landlord tried to fuck me over. Your word is your bond, and your tenant's privacy is not yours to take away. There are a lot of people like me in this country. Watch yourself.
In CT and NY you cannot sign away your right to be secure in your home.
FYI if you are a landlord watch who you fuck with. If you pulled this on me you would be in for the worst year of your life. Every bit of cooperation you would have to wrest from my hands via legal challenges. Little problems you can't prove were caused by me would start to crop up. Invasive weeds would suddenly swarm your property. The drains would clog monthly for years after I left. I would sit around researching ways to cause damage and depreciation to your property long after I leave, in untraceable ways. I would look for ways to harass you via regulatory agencies and the court system.
Bullying someone like me would not be worth it like it was with that scared little kid. And that's been the case since I was a kid in school and my first landlord tried to fuck me over. Your word is your bond, and your tenant's privacy is not yours to take away. There are a lot of people like me in this country. Watch yourself.
beejium
Member
did you know you can get termites from science centers? they might be as fun as the weeds!
SweetIndica2
Member
Mine has a max draw of 1800W according to the sticker on the heater. There are 3 main settings (low, medium, and max) and a thermostat. I'm sure at the highest setting with the thermostat turned all the way up, it draws 1800W or close to it. Most appliances that generate heat use alot of wattage: Microwaves, toasters, hairdryers, etc. My space heater seems to generate alot of heat. With my main heat shut off it will get as cold as 45-50 degrees in my main room which is about 18' x 18' x 9' and with my space heater set on low or medium and the thermostat set half way up it gets up to about 75-80 degrees in here.
I don't think one has to choose... A little kudzu and sumac, and a little termite invasion while he is distracted. Maybe find some dodder somewhere, so the only way to garden ever again is to solarize the whole lot.
montanaorganics
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MJ I`m pretty disgusted by your attitude.
A landlord is a person like anyone else. They have typically worked hard to get where they are.
Marijuana is illegal period, and as a risk to their investments are 100% within their rights to not want it on their property.
So if somebody had a meth house you would feel the same way?
Plotting petty damages, how old are you, really?
A landlord is a person like anyone else. They have typically worked hard to get where they are.
Marijuana is illegal period, and as a risk to their investments are 100% within their rights to not want it on their property.
So if somebody had a meth house you would feel the same way?
Plotting petty damages, how old are you, really?
montanaorganics
Member
And yes, I have been through very similar circumastances. Landlord is IN my house two days before I`m supposed to be out. Place isn`t cleaned, their are clear tupperwares with leaves in them. Guy was an ex cop. We pulled up and I had a heart attack. I grabbed tupperwares and through them into truck, good thing he was just an asshole and not a nosy one. Guy took our deposits for about 1200. Revenge loomed on my mind... until like always, I remembered that he will get his own and I certainly dont need to sink to a level lower than his.
So you asked him if he was cultivating drugs on property you owned, and then when he admitted to it you asked him politely to stop? Technically, since you knew about it and did not contact the authorities that would make you an accomplice. Also you must remember, probably greater than 50% of the landlords renting will not have the thought of 'Cannabis Grow' even cross their mind when paying a bill. If the power usage is INSANELY huge, they would probably just go in and check the apartment out... looking for electrical flaws or a cause to the massive power usage.
IMO, if you rent a place and they say 'ALL UTILITIES INCLUDED', I think if you wanted to use your power to grow pot that is your prerogative. In the eyes of most landlords, that is just the cost of doing business. Where I'm growing all utilities aren't included. Average cost of the electricity bill was like 80$ a month before we started the grow (2 400watt HPS, 2 4ft fluros, pumps, timers, etc). Prior to starting we replaced all old light bulbs with CFL's, and just started making a concerted effort not to waste power (turn tv, lights off). The power bill came in a few weeks ago and was only 70$. With all the added grow equipment... we ended up paying less just by doing simple shit.
You wanna raise the bar right off the bat @ places where utilities are included. Least that's what I would do. That way when you get the grow going you can initiate conservation procedures and your bill should stay about the same as it's always been!
I didnt say exactly how it went down....
Me melted got all red faced and hot and denied it......
The problem resolved itself....
After he moved out I found other evidence he had grown....
But this isnt the issue at all.....
Im simply saying that if I were able to figure it out then someone else could too....
Had my tenants electric been in his name I wouldnt have been the wiser.....
I figured the guy should pay a penalty for being stupid.....
Me melted got all red faced and hot and denied it......
The problem resolved itself....
After he moved out I found other evidence he had grown....
But this isnt the issue at all.....
Im simply saying that if I were able to figure it out then someone else could too....
Had my tenants electric been in his name I wouldnt have been the wiser.....
I figured the guy should pay a penalty for being stupid.....
Yeah no doubt about that. You are educated regarding cannabis growing also, which gives you a much different perspective from which you can look at tenants renting from you. Yeah, I'm sure someone else can figure it out, but probably not a whole lot.
Also whoever you figured out was growing, must not have planned their grow out properly.... if they don't pay their own electric bill then they should assume you're going to notice a difference one month to the next. A smart grower would have been wasting power like nobody's business from the time they moved in till they started growing. Then their is no suspicious power spikes, it stays nice and level.
Also whoever you figured out was growing, must not have planned their grow out properly.... if they don't pay their own electric bill then they should assume you're going to notice a difference one month to the next. A smart grower would have been wasting power like nobody's business from the time they moved in till they started growing. Then their is no suspicious power spikes, it stays nice and level.
