The Original Zamal is a Perennial?

@ idiit:

If you still don't know it what the french call a foot is simply the plant, not the roots

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some feet several years and still give two crops per year !

post #22 linked above

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As many have to be expected, our collective breeders is also involved in this rat race for the creation of new varieties of cannabis. We all know the popularity of these big seed banks, multinationals even, for some, regularly for us to lay new varieties of cannabis, focusing mostly, a panel of feminized seeds to names and strains, very few know, shamefully neglecting pure strains that have thrilled us all in the 70/80 years. The Breeders Collective Bourbon dedicated himself, as you may have read earlier, exclusively to the preservation of pure landraces Reunion strains since 1962. You will find the Mango Carrot and K1 strains that will be most suited to European conditions. Stabilized at less than 3% of hermaphroditism, the genetics of our landraces can be exploited now, certainly by true connoisseurs, but partnerships with our collective will to make culture accessible to all. .UqXCXOAV.dpuf

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Crop landraces and hybrids on the island of Reunion

24-02-2015 - The different strains of landraces

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With joy, I come back to see you following our story with Cannabis Sativa L, the Zamal and its hybrid culture for therapeutic use. But first, it is necessary to present our island and its 9 Landrace strains endemic to certain imported for others. ? The island of Reunion has a very diverse flora with over 1200 species of plants, some endemic, which took place "Ti ti lamp lamp", little by little, by the vagaries of hurricanes, sea currents and then human migrations, especially during colonization to exploit sugarcane. With a large number of microclimates that make us go around the world by browsing not even 450 kilometers, the possible ways of meeting us to grow our deals multitudes Zamal amid plants, native and endemic flowers of all kinds ... I can not tell you the pleasure to cultivate outside "the plant of immortality" around palm trees, coconut palms, banana and all sorts of flowers just as beautiful as the other one, in a framework of peace more or less sought because it is still possible for each Creole desires, to live in perfect union with nature, in a spirit roots, surrounded by people who cultivate the same state of mind .. But that magical side of our island, I leaves to discover the great traveler in search of spirituality. It does not tale, it is alive ... This little escapade must still bring us to talk about the principal, Zamal. Its scientific name is Cannabis sativa L. and its common name, Indian Hemp. I insist on this description because many do not understand that "Zamal" does not include an endemic variety of cannabis. This local name derives from the Malagasy word "ZAMALA" which covers a group of several varieties or "kalite" as they say in Creole, with at least 9 different strains, coming from Asia, Africa, India, Madagascar , Pakistan and China, some 100% Sativa and Indica dominance with some other and of course, Ruderalis. It is part of the family or Cannabaceae Cannabaceae. This bad news also comes from these seed banks and seed distributor rather, who appropriated the name "Zamal" by selling grain obtained by tourists, who retrieves, usually during some crazy moments looking for a good firecracker. This is herb found in the street, like the famous "Grain kalite" to designate a seed head or plain "kalite Zom-Fam" to refer to a foot herma, the worst "kalite Flower" to refer to a foot male! In short, a serious lack of expertise and research of its banks, which unscrupulous dare affirm that these Zamal, without even giving the name of the exact strain because they do not know it, distributing a little grain reliable because it rarely reaches maturity, usually with a high rate of hermaphroditism making its complex culture and uninviting

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But back to the story of Zamal, during the 18th century, it would seem that slaves from India, Madagascar and Africa have brought the first cannabis strains. The slaves used the zamal during spiritual ceremonies or for personal use purely recreational. The K1 and Mango Carrot could be part of these first or landraces endemic strains. We will return to these two strains in more detail.

The "Fil Rouz" or Filament Rouge gets its red color from the blood behalf flowering pistils, its origin would be the Cirque de Salazie, but it is also found in Mafate. Very rare variety, it will be known as the "White Wire Cilaos" as by "Gramouns" grandfathers, Island ups or the descendants of his own gramouns .. We will come back next time because we have not been able to make beautiful harvests term because of the repression.

The "Kalités" known and tested since 1968 by several members of our group, are appropriate names for the purpose, appearance orthe geographical original position. Eg the "kalite Mangu'Carot" or Mango Carrot, whose strains are of Indo-Afro-Malagasy origin, owes its name to its terpenes, which perfectly mimics the taste of the fruit Mango Carrot beside which it is usually grown . The "kalite Mangu'Ka" further develop its terpenes and the effect is seen in tenfold. Another magical stage we will reveal later, because as many may know, several varieties of fruit trees, such as mango, are known for their terpenes similar to that of cannabis.

The kalite "Sek Pat O" or "O Pié Sek," has its origins in North Africa, see Afghanistan, and will be harvested once the plant has dried in the ground. Its highly resinous buds will be its effect very High and earthy taste, will satisfy many experts, but remains fairly rare because flowering is very long, from 38 to 52 weeks depending on its location on the island. There is also the Jak Kaite the Pèch kalite the kalite Ste Roz and kalite MAUV Poiwré or kalite Pepper!

Of the 9 varieties recognized on the island, we will tell you specifically two landraces in this report, The Mango Carrot and kalite Taffe 1 or K1, also known by the ancients, the "kalite Tizan", which most often is used decoction or long infusion, with water, alcohol or rum, call "Rum Kaya" to calm asthma, anxiety attacks or stomach pain. It is also smoked at family ceremonies to celebrate the end of the cutting cane. In our animal pens, the zamal aid to livestock or to prepare a drain cock in combat before entering the round ... etc.

Unfortunately, this period is over because young people have hijacked the plant for regular recreational or illicit trade, so it became more difficult to find good stocks, because of the explosive demand Zamal fact that our streets it is harvested too early and the lack of experience of these young people, we find that more and more hybrid or hermas feet with solid buds seeds. There is more control stem and many of our feet are contaminated by unknown strains.

The Zamal is grown illegally, despite a certain tolerance of the authorities but our beautiful still very pervasive in the ground, it will encourage its cultivation in pots, which also allows us to get them under lights in case of bad weather and cyclone or best control infections.

The gossips have much maligned culture Zamal since 1960. His strong THC effects make him sometimes be called "Devil's plant" because the novice or poorly educated consumer will not expect to dazzling effects and Zamal can be found in a state of "bad trip" or "White" leaving the user lethargic, more master of his thoughts for several hours. The effect of some Zamal will take the traveler in search of spirituality to "another world".

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Our Collective Breeders Bourbons brings together true lovers of Zamal, exploit strains gramounes collected for over 40 years and show to the world that we have still the most powerful Landrace! The group allows us to partner with real specialists sativa order, at the same time, give the estimated this virtuous plant, which knew and still knows to heal and cure thousands of people in Reunion and show it is possible to grow Zamal elsewhere on our department. I'm especially a dedication to my friend JB who by his mastery of Sativa varieties, we completely honor the kind of testing our strains on his land in the north of Spain and especially the Mango Carrot, who finished flowering in the snow! My Mangu'o Pepper is also passed by the expert hands and developed a purple even denser, probably due to cooler temperatures in Europe. The Mango Carrot and K1 will remain the two easiest strains to grow in Europe thanks to their robustness and ease of adaptation to pests. Despite a necessary human help, you can get very good results with the chosen spot. We always advise a trellis in the open ground of foot, along its length, to the north, with regular size of apical buds to control the foot while leaving enough length to the ground. The maximum height of a little walk K1 reach 4.5 m to 6 m depending on the spot, a scrog is even recommended outdoors. For Mango Carrot, we just easily let it grow vertically, by cutting the apex .. It will stop its growth in height, to make way for a stretch while width. This can also be controlled by a scrog or a good trellising. We will try to come back in more detail, as and extent of coverage, our cultures, always more beautiful pictures. With a little patience, our landraces will be given the honor of with their beauty and especially for their therapeutic potential. Soon ... and as they say in Creole: "Pa lo Largu Frer, ti ti lamp lamp will Gayne nou" ("Coward nothing, brother, little by little, we will get there"). ? One Love!

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PanTaG said:

@ idiit:

If you still don't know it what the french call a foot is simply the plant, not the roots...and while the real Zamal might be a mix of african, asian and indian NLD nowadays it get more and more polluted by indica genes...and throughout history the Réunionais behaved like the morrocans,they do not give a shit about genetics getting whatever please them to grow along their beloved Zamal...and as cannabis is still regarded as a dangerous drug by the french governement, nothing is done to try to preserve it unlike most of the faunea of the island.

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idiit said:

^ thank you PanTaG.




there are lots and lots of zamal growers claiming to keep the same "foot" for several years, 2 or more harvests/year.

^ this meets in some ways the idea of perpetual harvest imo.

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Le Collectif Breeders Bourbon

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we need these ^ guys to come over here to ic mag and post.

hi
i'm here to share information about zamal from reunion island (ile de la reunion)
i read in a interview where i read shanti baba work on it so i hope he could give us somme info about this strain ! i'm really interested about his feeling and impatient to see his results by the way !
so the zamal contains many phenotypes(if we can call them phenotype??? because those diffences comes the most part of the time of the growing method or geographic location on the island )
"la reunion" (french name) is a french volcanic island where i live for four month in 2000 !
a very beautiful and isolate island near madasgacard island with a lot of unique biodiversity !
zamal is how people call marijuana on this part of the planet !
it grow naturally and some plant are more than 30 years old in some plantation!
i will post some pics and other media of this amazing strains

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The photo “Grown in 1981... 1 plant” was uploaded by 20'Thai into the category “Outdoor” in March 2009.

Rejuvinated for 4 successive years, every year the new shoots I would sow into the ground every 10odd nodes to root up. 1 Main stem and many minor stems growing out of the ground make up this massive plant that spanned over 25foot wide as you see the picture. Yielded over 10kilos of dried clean bud in the 3rd year. Less in its 4th and final year of life.

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"...there are also old ancient strains that live in the depths of tropical jungle that are of the creeper variety, that can grow almost forever andthe produce a stone that can make a hardened smoker turn white as a ghost 2-3hours after they smoke it. The live long by spreading out and growing new roots in a location many feet away from the mainstem of the plant as the NODES of the plant touch the soil and encorouge the sprouting of new roots and hence a new plant. Much the same as Bull grass grows by slowly spreading out and embedding new roots into the ground untill it has covered you entore pawn area or yard. But these strains cannot be grown under artifical lights in a growroom as they need so much space and so much heat and humidity to stay healthy that it woudl be impossible to produce that enviroment indoors without rotting you room out with mould and possibly blowing you light bulbs form excessive moisture if they weren't inside a cowl. Also, they need light of extreme tropical intensity to activate their resin fully. HID's just wouldn't cut it for these strains, and they can take over 8months to produce a flower with amber trics that are so small that you cannot see them with the naked eye. So IOW, when you look at these buds, they look like grass/lawn clippings. They do not look like they have any resin on them at all, and they also have very little aroma. But when you smoke them, watch out. Just make sure you are sitting down and have nowhere to go for the rest of the day, and perhaps half of the next day as you will sleep long and hard then you'll wake up many hours later and find you are still ripped hard on it."

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they are not a rag tag bunch of ignorant farmers.

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ahortator said:

Hi Don. How are you? I am very happy to read you again!

Hi everybody too.

I have grown a Mandala Mango Zamal. Mandala tells the description as if the plant were a pure Zamal, but it shows leaflets broader than it would be expected. So I don't know how or what could be that mysterious South India Lakshmi strain. Mine was an autoflowering male, impossible to revegetate. Somethig you can find, as I have read, in many other Mafatese Mangue Carrote Zamal like some Gypsy Zamal, whom most Zamal hybrids are descendants.

Perhaps I am wrong, but I think the autoflowering trait is something opposite to a perennial (inmortal) plant.

I have seen other sativas (NLD) strains (grown in pots) to thrive until 3 or 4 years. Some of then could have brought 2 harvests. But often when you harvest the plant got too damaged to recover.

A few months ago died a Thai clone I had that was alive, in a pot, since December 2013. It was always outdoor. The roots were too old and damaged and it had never flowered seriously.

I think if a tropical equatorial strain is grown in a temperate latitude with some different photoperiod along the year but where the cold weather doesn't kill the plants, you can keep easily it alive 3 or 4 years. But it seems very dificult you can harvest that plants each year, because they live so long due they don't flower properly.

Something to keep in mind about weed longevity are pests and molds.

The Zamal in this pic seems seriously attacked by spider mites.
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However, our friend Manivelle wrote this:



If you find a creeping phenotyte in the Zamal or other long flowering strain, it could be possible for a plant to thrive many years, growing themselves new shoots and new roots. Something like that happened to 20'Thai, but his plant was not a creeper one. He helped the plant, layering the new shoots, as he explains.



He wrote this too, about a creeping strain:



I don't know if it is only old lore. But I think if you want to grow something like a perennial strain, you must search among creeper strains, not among autoflowering ones. Sadly, I am sure it is impossible to find this trait among the commercial strains genepool. Only in few strange endangered landraces. And you must forget to harvest something like that indoors or outside the tropics.

When I say autoflowering, I say the autoflowering trait as found in some Zamal, not ruderalis hybrids

I think I have seen creeping plants only one time, but as they were in pots they cannot spread. And they only try to creep when they revegetated the first time. Before and later that time they were upright common plants. However they were the ones I have said before they thrived 3 or 4 years.

Greetings.

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they are not a rag tag bunch of ignorant farmers.

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Perhaps I am wrong, but I think the autoflowering trait is something opposite to a perennial (inmortal) plant.

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As for the plants surviving multiple years, I guess it doesn't have anything to do with any special qualities but only with the day-length conditions from the tropical regions they come from. Due to the minimum photopheriod variation along the dry and wet season, the plants probably are probably spending half of the year flowering at 11h and when the day lenght increases a little bit into 12h, they start to re-veg. Same happens if you put an extreme tropical strain outdoors in a temperate region and before it will even finish flowering, the days will increase forcing the plant to veg again. Unless the cold temperatures kill the plant, it can survive several seasons.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=6150798

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idiit said:

^ I could be read different ways on that post. I was hoping the breeders who have been preserving zamal in la reunion could come in here and post. I looked for a way to contact them and give them an invite. I suspect they would be warmly welcomed here.

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Hi Pepé

You hit the nail on the head both

As 20'Thai explained, he clonned the shoots. The only difference with the common clonning method is that he didn't bother to cut the branches to clone them, and he put the clones directly in soil, not in pots or a propagator, as most people do.

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