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Old 03-04-2007, 05:40 PM #61
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Hey Haggis...

Exactly dude. Its bad enough when people (who likely have never even tried growing this way) claim that it results in bad yields, but when someone makes a ridiculous statement associating 12/12 From Seed with yields of 1 friggin gram that makes my blood boil. Thats the kind of statement that can steer a newb away from ever trying this method for themselves.

That pretty little girl of the AK48 variety that you have going...well, I had a Northern LIght plant that was only 12" tall and she gave an ounce of sweet, sticky, dried bud...and she didn't look too much fatter than that pic you posted.
I got the same feelings as you Hal, don't knock it.....till you tried it.....that's what I say.
I will be well happy with an "oz", from her.
She is, starting to put some weight on now and hopefully she will continue to do so........when the wife puts weight on....I tell her you need to try and get that weight off "love"....but me plants can pack on as much weight as they can and I ain't complaining..lol.
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Sorry Hal, I just thought that with me sprouting seeds under 12/12 and this thread's title being '12/12 from seed, a different way..' I thought I might have some useful info, and could also get some from you all....

Don't you think it's handy to know that you can sprout under 12/12, show sex, then revert to veg and get the males out? I found that incorporating this into my garden saves a-lot of time waiting for pre-flowers.....

Any-ways, thanks for letting me jump on here....
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Old 03-04-2007, 06:37 PM #63
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I'm with you SatGhost.....as you said it ain't all down to total yield's....as that's what many stoner's just look at.
It comes down to as you said space, watts etc.

If your growing in a micro environment, you cant grow trees can you.
We are merely here exploring different techniques and trying to compile a strain history to find out which strain will react best to this style of growing.

Why grow trees and get loads of small airy buds that take an age to grow, trim and manicure when you can grow our style and end up with pole style plants that you can just cut off at the base, hang to dry, cure for a while and get smoking them, there nugs.
Minimum trimming....Maximum Satisfaction.
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Old 03-04-2007, 07:13 PM #64
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Sorry Hal, I just thought that with me sprouting seeds under 12/12 and this thread's title being '12/12 from seed, a different way..' I thought I might have some useful info, and could also get some from you all....

Don't you think it's handy to know that you can sprout under 12/12, show sex, then revert to veg and get the males out? I found that incorporating this into my garden saves a-lot of time waiting for pre-flowers.....

Any-ways, thanks for letting me jump on here....
Hey Berry..

No need to apologize my friend. The title of the thread can be misleading, if you don't read the introductory posts that explain it.

I do think it is handy to know that you can sprout under 12/12 in order to get your plants to reveal their sex earlier...very handy indeed. I think anyone who is going to do a scrog grow, for example, would definitely be served well by doing this. Why put all the effort into training your plants if some will turn out to be unwanted males?

BUT... since you have visited this thread...why not give this method a try? Granted, there are certain situations that argue against this method, like if your local laws penalize on the number of plants grown, or if you have a ton of space to grow big plants in (although Atmosphere would argue that it would still be better to grow this way because keeping the plants short, and minimizing leaf growth, all work better with the limited penetration distance of our indoor lighting), but it would be fun to just do an experiment, and you can do that while you are flowering your other plants.
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Old 03-04-2007, 07:18 PM #65
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Hey Haggis...

Where the heck do you see a post from Satghost to respond to? I don't see it.
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Old 03-04-2007, 07:35 PM #66
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He must have deleted his post ????
Cause I aint going mad or been smoking too much, he had definately posted a short while ago.
That must be why he has ghost in his handle.....one minute he's there the next he's gone...lol.
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Old 03-04-2007, 07:38 PM #67
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Just to show I ain't going mad......I still had the post notification that came through to my e-mail.


Hello Haggis123,

SatGhost has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to entitled - 12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow - in the Growers Forums forum of International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums.

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muddy, hotc, atmo etc... hi fellas.

Hal, looking good buddy, i love the way you reserved the first ten posts lol.

i think the reason motaco doubts this method is because like so many growers he has 'per plant' or 'per harvest' or even 'per watt' yields on the brain. these are completely meaningless. you can yield anything in an undisclosed amount of time, as a grower you want to know much weed you can grow in X amount of time using X amount energy and X amount of space. this is the ONLY way you can truly define your skills, you simply have no bragging rights without these numbers, period.

here's og's efficiency calculator from memory, this is the way to accurately compare growers who use different methods, lights, strains etc:

RootEnergyTime = (RootLightEnergy × (RootLightOnTime/1000)) × RootTime
VegEnergyTime = (VegLightEnergy × (VegLightOnTime/1000)) × VegTime
FlowerEnergyTime = (FlowerLightEnergy × (FlowerLightOnTime/1000)) × FlowerTime
Energy Efficiency = DryYield ÷ (RootEnergyTime + VegEnergyTime + FlowerEnergyTime)

Space Efficiency = (DryYield ÷ ((RootGrowArea + VegGrowArea +
FlowerGrowArea) x (RootTime + VegTime + FlowerTime)))

Garden Efficiency = (Energy Efficiency + Space Efficiency) ÷ 2

remember:
1. Energy= total energy that the space consumes, in watts (lights+fans+...).
2. use grams for DryYield and square meters for Area.
3. the correct expression of yield is X g/w/m (... grams per watt per month).

so is anyone with me on this, or am i speaking greek here? it's really simple if you think about it... just punch your numbers in and see what you get.
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Old 03-04-2007, 07:54 PM #68
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hey listen hal. you can act all bigshot all you want but when you get some plants that give 1g yields don't bitch at me. and when you get people bitching you out that this didn't work don't bitch at me. I've force flowered from seed alot more plants than you ever will and maybe your lil ass should learn from people with years of experience. maybe you wanna build up a lil more experience before you "stomp out the untruths" that will be truths for you soon enough.

I have PERSONALLY had NUMEROUS plants flowered from seed yield less than an 1/8 and its not my growing techniques. I'm pretty well known and I can't say the same thing about you. so don't call me bullshit because you don't know what your talking about. some plants need veg time to yield anything, and that is a fact. ask anyone with more experience than you. its no secret. especially pure indicas and even some hybrids need a veg time. as well as some plants will be stressing and causing hermis. if you knew better you'd know I already have a section dedicated to 12/12 from seed in my ultimate sativa thread.

you remind me very much of sproutco. making threads doesn't make you a grow guru. and it's going to piss people off in the end. might wanna flip that misinformation label back around.


I speak about it because I've likely done more of it than everyone in this thread combined and if experience isn't wanted than I'll shut up. but you've got some rude awakenings for you if you think this works on every strain.
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Old 03-04-2007, 07:54 PM #69
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Thats a real good post...wonder why satghost took it down? I can't say I understand it as of yet...need to focus on it more than I can at the moment. But it does look like a valuable formula.

Thanks to satghost and to you too Haggis.
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No Prob's Hal, I just wondered why he spent time posting all that....only to delete it ????

Motaco, go crawl under a rock dude....your bullshit ain't wanted here if that's your attitude.

If you look at my AK48 even when the pic's were taken around a week ago.....there is way more than a gram or even an 1/8th there already.
Look at atmosphere's pic's an all while your there.

All I can say is.....if you only got gram from your plants....you ain't the grower you think you are.

"NOW SHUT-UP OR PUT UP" Dude.
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