question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[Sam_Skunkman]

Simple, lets see what it is, all of it
-SamS

 

[bigherb]

Sams


I truly appreciate all your contribution. It's great to hear these details of your experiences and recollections you know how I always want to know all the specifics.

The first post you made was full of great detail I think it be great to repost it . The facts You spoke of golden Thai aka Laos from 76 . And how you didn't grow much haze till the next year and R.L the junior OHaze grower made the Thai n S.Indian crosses which Thai was a small percent and S.indian even smaller . Amazing detail

It gives me more question but also makes more sense . Your old post of Haze seeds you made after 76 .

Is all the Dutch Haze from 76 stock and did you give Nevil burning bush or 76 stock and if you recall which stock the lumbo or a cross ?

I know you don't like being asked but after such great info you spark my interest again

I have it saved but for all the Haze lovers I ask Please post it again

Much respect


1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

Simple, lets see what it is, all of it
-SamS

But why not test your seed stock of Haze ?

I know you speak of seeds by the ton ,do you not have more Haze stock which you gave Nevil ?

I'd imagine you have a detailed tagged catalog of all years and parents of your haze seeds


Much respect

1luvbigherb

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I do not have it, I deleted it by mistake, repost it if you have it.
-SamS

Sams


I truly appreciate all your contribution. It's great to hear these details of your experiences and recollections you know how I always want to know all the specifics.

The first post you made was full of great detail I think it be great to repost it . The facts You spoke of golden Thai aka Laos from 76 . And how you didn't grow much haze till the next year and R.L the junior OHaze grower made the Thai n S.Indian crosses which Thai was a small percent and S.indian even smaller . Amazing detail

It gives me more question but also makes more sense . Your old post of Haze seeds you made after 76 .

Is all the Dutch Haze from 76 stock and did you give Nevil burning bush or 76 stock and if you recall which stock the lumbo or a cross ?

I know you don't like being asked but after such great info you spark my interest again

I have it saved but for all the Haze lovers I ask Please post it again

Much respect


1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

I do not have it, I deleted it by mistake, repost it if you have it.
-SamS

Thankyou for the permission

I'm on my phone and will repost it when I can

1luvbigherb

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

x

But why not test your seed stock of Haze ?

I am testing all mine also. Why would I not?

I know you speak of seeds by the ton ,do you not have more Haze stock which you gave Nevil ?

Not sure I remember exactly.

I'd imagine you have a detailed tagged catalog of all years and parents of your haze seeds


You can imagine what you like, I do not have records of what I gave/sold to others.
-SamS



Much respect

1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

Sams

I appreciate the response but not sure why the attitude

You just answered my question your not sure which Haze you gave Nevil .Soo it now makes sense testing NH . But its a hybrid Soo how will you decipher the NL genes

I'd imagine youd recall the Haze stock you gave him when you remember details of your deal that was a non written contract


1luvbigherb

 

[Jericho Mile]

This is still a great thread.

 

[bushweed]

Hello BW,
Thanks for this info.
The old NH cutting thats is being kept in South Holland is very much Colombian dominated with a touch of the crazyness of the Thai in it.
The picturs of this pure haze you have grown remind me of the NH mucho, looks more like a hybrid then a straight haze but then again, i didnt pop any of SamS seeds. I just go on the feedback givin to me by the people that worked Nevs old hybrids and parential stock, re hHze A & C, and the crazy, unpractical female Haze B, which was very hawaiian dom according to these folks.
Whatever the case, i love your pictures and contrubutions and would really like to have a taste of this pure haze you have got. Seems amazing to say the least.
When you compare the best MM to this haze in terms of potency which one do you prefer and which one is the better smoke in yr oppinion?
Cheers man.

Hi sammy, good to talk again bro...I'm very impressed with this what I think is a pure haze (certainly there's no obvious NL or SK as far as aromas or cola development are concerned), but there is a possibility that the seeds I have are a Hz x Thai hybrid based solely on the absence of purple traits. But because of the aromas and flavors, I think it is perhaps from Sam's original haze batch that has subsequently been selected for the very clean euphoric high, which may be more prevalent in the non purple ones.

Unfortunately, I have yet to make haze f2s and have only a handful of the originals...

Soi when I compare the best of Kanga's MM and the Haze in my pocket, it is only an evaluation based on 2 haze plants with a 2 month cure...BUT as far as I can tell, the high is of similar strength and quality...where the MM comes out on top is in structure and yield, which is unsurpassed IME - long rows of solid columnar MM tops is very hard to beat. But the haze has prettier, sweeter smelling flowers.

Very, very nice, but still a way short in terms of potency of some of the Thai gear that was still available here until the early 90s.

Bushweed, those are awesome! You have any pics of a 25 footer? I can't even imagine what that would look like...

They do exist...this is the closest we have..

 

[Jellyfish]

Dayum!

 

[bigherb]

I do not have it, I deleted it by mistake, repost it if you have it.
-SamS

This was your post below I saved it by taking a photo soo I had to re type it . I felt this was some great insight to abit more history of the Original Haze. I believe this was word for word I tried to write it exact

The very first original Haze was a late 60's three way cross of Colombian Punto Rojo, a green one, and a light magenta one, all different, all from Columbia, several years later I gave Thai and S Indian seeds that were also crossed to Haze, I had seeds of all of them, Original Haze, and Original Haze X Thai from off the stick gold Thai about 76 in Santa Cruz , called Laos at the time.
I spread the seeds around Cali etc and I brought the seeds with me to the Netherlands and used them to select clone parents for my unimproved Haze lines I preserved, I did not do much work to improve Haze I was trying to preserve it. The Thai and S Indiana Kerala X O Haze crosses were made by my neighbor, R.L. the junior O Haze grower that made the O Haze poster, as I did not grow much Haze until the next year. So anyway it is now pretty hard to tell but what most have was pure Colombian, green, purple, lime green, silver, magenta, blueish, I saw all this before Haze had anything besides Colombian in it. A little bit has Thai, and even less has S Indian. I will be testing the DNA of my Haze lines and clones, then we will maybe have answers about what they is and isn't, and maybe where all the best Cannabis in Colombia, Jamaica, Mexico came from? India, Africa? Asia? Time will tell.
I have found that my line is fairly inbred as it was not out-crossed except for the Thai and S Indian one year, and that was just a few plants. Most are just pure Original Haze Colombian, with no WLD Wide Leaf Drug (was called Indica) genes, zero. Because it is inbred if you do if you do outcross it the qualities are improved like vigor and potency. I have done this and seen where 16% THC Mom Skunk 1, X a 10% THC O Haze gives progeny in the 20's for THC%, try it, you will see what I mean.
P.S. I found Purple Haze to be the strongest, but the silver-blue and lime-green ones where the high I preferred, purple Haze was more physical also.
Up, clear, electric, speedy, cerebral, mental, energetic, euphoric, psychedelic, no ceiling, every hit gets you higher every time, the kind of Cannabis that gets people turning white, passing out or falling over when they stand, and getting paranoid. Some of you may prefer the same, I can tell. I have never gotten too high, I have gotten to high to walk, that's what chaise lounge sofas, Lazy-Boys and the floor were invented for. I could still smoke.....
If Yo Sammy sends me a dry leaf of his old NH cuttings that is being kept in South Holland I could test it also and maybe see the NL genes in it? PM me.

-SamS

 

[GrassMan]

Hi Sir,

There are many descriptions of Haze regarding its organoleptic properties but from I know, you are the best source.
If so, and in order to educate the community, could you please share its metabolic fingerprint? or by pm...
I believe you have some reticence due to all syntetic options but this info could be very enlightening.
Much appreciate.

Peace

I think I deleted my post on the qualities I liked in Haze?
Potent, up, electric, speedy, clear, cerebral, euphoric, psychedelic, energetic, mental, as well as no ceiling, every time you take a hit you get higher and get rushes. Makes folks turn white and get low blood pressure and pass out when they stand up, get paranoid. I like it and do not get too high, that is what I like. Along with the right terpenes, and none of the wrong ones, for taste and effects.
I found purple haze maybe more potent but more physical, I liked the silver-blue and lime-green better.
-SamS

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Just a quick report on the smells of my dried Original Hazes.


My 3 favorites:

- the calyx on stem pheno - strong sour lemony hash/resin smell.

- the "dense" bud pheno - rooibos, spices, wood with some floral notes.

- the fasciated/flat stem pheno - Incense. Not like frankincense, but a very strong spicy peppery sweet incense that makes me salivate! By far my favorite, but also the slowest (19weeks)

The other phenos are similar to the "denser" one, some more floral and some more sour.



At the moment, they do all smell better and stronger than my Oldtimer's Hazes. Let's see if this will change after a few month of cure.
But what I can say for sure is that this Seedsmans OHaze is one of the most underrated strains ever.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

x

Just a quick report on the smells of my dried Original Hazes.


My 3 favorites:

- the calyx on stem pheno - strong sour lemony hash/resin smell.

- the "dense" bud pheno - rooibos, spices, wood with some floral notes.

- the fasciated/flat stem pheno - Incense. Not like frankincense, but a very strong spicy peppery sweet incense that makes me salivate! By far my favorite, but also the slowest (19weeks)

How do I get a dry dead leaf from the fasciated/flat stem pheno?
Get your post count to over 50 and PM me.
-SamS

The other phenos are similar to the "denser" one, some more floral and some more sour.



At the moment, they do all smell better and stronger than my Oldtimer's Hazes. Let's see if this will change after a few month of cure.
But what I can say for sure is that this Seedsmans OHaze is one of the most underrated strains ever.

 

[waveguide]

But what I can say for sure is that this Seedsmans OHaze is one of the most underrated strains ever.

grew 2009, amazing. had to leave country, lost plants, itm everyone runs out of sm OH.

this is why i condemn society, not having the wherewithal to keep me some of this around. humanity = fail.

guess i got the lucky bean. skinny parallel ticker tape leaves, not pinnate. no wide leaves on seedlings, start straight out super skinny. plant looked like a string mop.

apart from an fresh acrid, medicinal solvent smell similar to other sativas ("that'll clean you out.."), it had a dank i guess hash smell and a high that had a solid stone/low end on it as well. baked and fucked up and high. old arizona bikers are telling me it's good weed and asking for some.

i think that's got to be my "if i had a time machine" answer.

 

[buttyrekka]

hey johnny that's my favorite of sam's the Thai x original haze...
smells like fresh black peppercorns and haze,late flowering 3/4 months from from memory, airy buds but a heavey yielder.electric/energetic/motivational high/narrow leaf big tric heads. my favorite plant i only got one female out of one 5 pack from sams boutique freebies.
i knocked her up with a casey jones male and the offspring tasted like curry!.i guess it would be (trainwreckXsour diesl V.3)X(thaiXhazex skunK)great weed!i had pictures but they're in my old gallery:-(
PS bushweed you are awesome;-)

 

[LowFalutin]

butty-
here's a thaiHazexSkunk#1 (aka Thunk), a few weeks from germination.

 

[satva]

what most have was pure Colombian, green, purple, lime green, silver, magenta, blueish, I saw all this before Haze had anything besides Colombian in it.

Cannabiogen Club thread on Punto Rojo shows CBG's Punto Rojo flowering that are magenta, purple, green, and lime green with red points. The thread also has photos of the travel log from the Colombian mountains. The aroma in the leaves and stem from the Punto Rojo growing in my flowering cabinet are sweet mango, citrus and pine.

Red Rider posted a picture of what he called Coastal Green Colombian. Coastal Green Colombian has a flowering structure similar to a Colombian dominate phenotype in Mango Haze and the Haze phenotype Bushweed posted in flower.

I like the high on the light green/ lime green ones and ones with the smoke aroma of temple incense.

PS> I believe Cannabiogen collected Punto Rojo from three mountain highland regions. One of CBG's phenos has red points (punto rojo) on lime green flower growth.

 

[GlandualFever]

Has anyone actually looked at the potential in shared dna/genetics between Colombia and Lebanon/Levant landraces? The arab diaspora could have been responsible for an injection of fresh genetics, and could potentially explain some of the diversity on colombian genetics. Just a thought!

 

[Thule]

Has anyone actually looked at the potential in shared dna/genetics between Colombia and Lebanon/Levant landraces? The arab diaspora could have been responsible for an injection of fresh genetics, and could potentially explain some of the diversity on colombian genetics. Just a thought!

I've had a feeling that Panama Red might be one such strain. The coloration and narcotic effect would suggest a WLD ancestor, not to mention purple pistils that are also found in Leb.