thes new led's is out scaling the hps and mh with a prety big deal

[Miraculous Meds]

i do agree with mmeds for the majority of what hes saying, while we might have different opinions its still very solid advice for ya. i 100% agree with the ec hes giving u to stay around , its going to vary slightly depending on co2 and light choices but thats right where u should shoot an fine tune dialing in from there. i highly suggest you keep a log book of what goes in every watering time,temp,ec,ph everything you can measure same with run off it will be a life saver if something is out of wack that u cant figure out so others can just look at it an have much more info to base there answer on.

with the no strait water to coco changing the ratio i dont see it as example if the ratio is just for example 15-15-15 your just diluting the concentration of all back to safe ranges so it could be say 10-10-10 after flushing. if all ratios were where they need to be i just dont see how thats an issue. maybe im missing something?

highly suggest mmjbud that you read read read on feeding regimens, as if you have a regimen from a friend thats already dialed in you shouldnt have these issues imo. even if you werent having issues its very usefull to see how it all works.

heres a pic of one of my previous led grows it did have some over feeding an Ntox so not a show stopper but still decent. two separate lights were used for the lighting effect.
if the light this thread is about can produce same or better ill likely get one.

Nice grow buddy,

Ill answer u on coco one more time as well but otherwise we should move it over to the coco forum. The prob with water only is ur giving it a ratio of 0, while u are diluting whats left in the medium the cation exchange has already changed that, so if u used nutes that are the right ratio, ur resetting the ratio to normal cec for coco and still making everything available. When u use water who knows what that ratio has moved to since the plant has used some of those nutes. Hope that makes sense, as im sure of the validity of it.

 

[zerocool21]

thanks for clarifying. while i do agree with the idea of it, ive yet to see any readings of the run off that show that it will be an issue or detrimental to the plant, especially as your going to still feed it the next watering with the correct ratio/ amount. imo its just two diff ways to get the same end result with a minor change if any.
i always like seeing how others view things so thanks.

sorry to op for the derail, back on track now

back to the original topic, has anyone been able to get ahold of these guys? i have sent several emails with zero reply, starting to have huge negative thoughts about this company if they cant reply to one of several emails, just makes me wonder what would happen if there was an issue with the light. if anyone has had better luck than i have please lmk. someone make me a believer lol

 

[zerocool21]

got ahold of them on the phone well try an relay what info i get back.

 

[MmjBudClown]

Original topic indeed, I went to my grow shop to swap nute lines, going Vegamatrix, but to the point they are also going try to contact the manufacturer about this light and it will also be at a trade show here in town on Nov. 15.

 

[zerocool21]

16th is the open to public day, 15th is if your in the trade only. http://indoexpoco.com/ list of vendors is there to thats updated*

 

[buddyboy1953]

Back to led.
Here is proof that led produces great buds:

 

[zerocool21]

this is the reading i got back from them
cct 3509k
purity 0.2857
lux 51894
cri 93
ppf 791.5856

@ 2' with the 90deg

 

[mr. gt]

Am I just paranoid or what.


I have this theory. I see these guys who joined the forums in Oct 2014 and they all post in this 1 topic promoting LED's.

Also this one guy mentioning how much knowledge he has in the US market with LED's being accepted makes me paranoid.

Sorry, but I just wanted to speak my mind.

~mr. gt

 

[theJointedOne]

Am I just paranoid or what.


I have this theory. I see these guys who joined the forums in Oct 2014 and they all post in this 1 topic promoting LED's.

Also this one guy mentioning how much knowledge he has in the US market with LED's being accepted makes me paranoid.

Sorry, but I just wanted to speak my mind.

~mr. gt

thanks for speaking your mind brother. I agree it is a bit odd. I also don't see how miraculous meds has so many posts in less then a month?

thats just crazy

 

[zerocool21]

Am I just paranoid or what.


I have this theory. I see these guys who joined the forums in Oct 2014 and they all post in this 1 topic promoting LED's.

Also this one guy mentioning how much knowledge he has in the US market with LED's being accepted makes me paranoid.

Sorry, but I just wanted to speak my mind.

~mr. gt

and whats your theory?
seems like this was directed at me an maybe a few others so whats up?

 

[mr. gt]

There's been numerous people who work/own led companies and create usernames than post on the forums saying how great their lights are and heres a link to buy one. I just don't like fellow members getting taken advantage of by skilled salesman. I just get defensive on the topic.


~mr. gt


To even further support my theory a very quick glance at every single one of your posts, besides 1 or 2, has to do with LED's.

 

[zerocool21]

correct i am a fan of leds, i think they work much better than hids. i dont work for any led company an its pretty rude to start insinuating that, its pretty low to do that imo.

hell i even went out of my way to talk to this company an post info so others can judge the output to see if this works for them,i even said i had a hard time getting a hold of them from the start yea id highly talk bad about lack of communication from the emails i sent, the phone call got an immediate response an email with info sent back so yea..

i can tell your attitude to new members is really something else, makes people like me that do know some shit not want to share an tell people that act like u to kick rocks!

because ur so interested in me ill tell u i have tested lumigrow*my fav so far, blackdog,kind,315cmh, rocket plasma,1khid an they all work fine some better than others. i have also ran hid but not a fan of it so why would i be on the hid side? just doesnt make any sense. hell im not even a fan of the kind,blackdog,lush an several others for my own reasons. yes they all work an can grow fine quality.

yea ive spent some time learning what i know yet have NOT ONCE said heres a link to a light go buy it, i say what i run an prefer you make your own mind, its why i even opened a dialog with lush even though im not a fan of there current light, or past convo's ive seen, but there much more open now for a dialog imo.

this probably will come off harsh but you seriously should check how you introduce yourself an insinuate bs claims about someone. personal attacks arent the best way to to say hi fyi.

i do appreciate the personal attack because you havent done the research yourself *highfive*

 

[zerocool21]

if you have any other issues, i suggest you start your own thread about people or light issues,so we can keep this one on track about the light. thanks

 

[zerocool21]

before we get back on the main subject of the thread let me as yourself a few ?s.

why are you in a led thread when you yourself have said "I'm not a led user myself and when I get to get my grow up once again, I am going to go hps personally", "I am by no means a led guy though...", " I am an impulse buyer myself, and always end up learning the hard way."

so why would u be in a area with zero experience in giving advice an then giving people who are giving solid advice a hard time and trying to discredit there input? i just dont understand if you have zero experience in an area what makes your advice better or more relevant over someone that has proven there points every time?

hell man if ur from 303 show some 303 love.

 

[BlackBuds]

Why are you being so hyper sensitive? I agree with mr gt. there are some manufacturers on this site and in this section in particular that are posing as members. Why don't you like HIDs? Do you have any side by side grows of LED vs HID or proof of what an LED can produce in the same time period and space as an HID? Im in this section because Im interested in the technology but have not seen anything close to what HIDs can do and Im not a fan of the purple hue either. IMHO

 

[zerocool21]

while i do know that there have been some led companies posting as users, but if u have read my posts u can clearly see i am not one, but i do stand firmly behind what i have already said above.

ill rephrase what i said i dont hate them they are a good proven source of light, but there are other alternatives that are better(subjective term i know) imo, produce less heat less risk of fire/personal injury, while its not normally a high risk it can/does happen from time to time.

its not about me being hyper sensitive its about someone with zero experience trying to discredit someone when they have no leg to stand on. if someone wants to know something you dont go hey i think this guys a phony, if you have ?s then ask them politely like u did urself, an in return you get a much more pleasant reply its just basic communication imo, but if u personally try an discredit someone should have proof to said claims.

i dont have any hid vs led sorry. i can tell you i have had great success with leds an hid imo its much much more about the grower, as long as your getting comparable par #'s.
imo the purple hue is the same an hps hue both suck to look at with no glasses(not smart to do either imo).

i have just lurked an read for a long time, but i realize i have some good info that i can give back just like i have had others help me along the way so yea sometimes ill try an give a hand to someone struggling ill likely give them a hand or a push in the right direction to where they are trying to go.

i am no where near an expert an dont claim to be but i have giving solid advice to far to people needing a little help.

if u want a nice side by side of hid vs led i suggest you look on greengenes utube with his at600 he even has an analysis of the two that were tested.

if your truly interested there is plenty of info to read but you have to do it no one is going to site everything an hand it over to you, its also part of earning your "stripes" learning to sift through peoples bs is just part of it.

 

[mr. gt]

Sorry if I came off strong, but there's some scum on here who pose as members. Its very practical for them to have a couple of usernames, start a thread and talk amongst himself using multiple usernames and wait for people to chime in.

I am in the led section because it was in the 'New Posts' section and I try to stay updated. The reason I clicked it was because led's to have potential, just haven't been amazed yet.

I fooled around with plasma induction a few years back


^last pic to show bulb

The Plasma induction was actually quite hot for 400w. Cooler than a Hps though. I actually needed to pump portable a/c into the cab.


Than theres also other types of plasma light I was looking into back than:

http://www.greners.com/i/grow-lights/plasma-grow-lights.html


Now those have been out for close to 5 years and I don't think I've seen anyone but me give them a try on this forum, which I consider to be pretty intellectual group of individuals.



The problem I have with LED's is I like the idea of being able to grow vertical. What I think would be very interesting is comparing 1 vertical LED setup vs 1 1000 watter vertical barebulb.

The main reason I want to go vertical is not only yield, but for the ease to grow the uneven sativa strains I want to grow.



My strongest proof in Led's aren't quite there yet are as follows:

*Mainstream commercial grows, warehouse sized, consider there grows as investments in every aspect. They decided to invest in hps instead of Leds or others. I have seen a few using Gavita Pro's or D Papillion. These growers are on that next level.

*warranty to me means nothing because a company can easily go out of business and/or get a new LLC and your warranty means shit. I'd rather know my bulbs have a couple years life and just replace the bulbs as they go. If I saw 1 led out of say 100? burn out it would bother me and give me anxiety about when the rest would go out. I even see high end cars with a few led's out.

They're all experimental and to say anything else would be either denial or delusional thinking. There needs to be years and years of improving and perfecting spectrums. That being said, Led's would be beneficial if you can mimic a very specific environment for a particular Sativa strain per say.



At the end of the day I do thank everyone who is using them and being the guinea pigs. If I had a spare room I would consider more experimenting. Sorry to have diverted the thread.


~mr. gt

 

[zerocool21]

it wasnt about coming off strong it was calling my character an integrity into question, also saying i had ulterior motives, just was highly uncalled for. until you have proof its best to keep that stuff to yourself it will cause less friction.

moving on. .

the plasma i listed isnt like those similar but not a sup. light only.

the vert issue was addressed already, did u do the math i suggested to compare the two styles? if so what was the sqft of each with par over the surface,an yield. like i said befor its going to be very very close.

the com. side is another world lots of other things come into play. once investors have that capital in they want it back out befor things change. the down time it can take to change one site can be easily 50-100k an that doesnt always fly with people. theres just all sorts of other issues that come up or into play it can stop progress. i can say there are some using leds now mostly for veg but they have seen its a better cheaper way to work so the flowering will come in time, most dont do r/d also. an thats coming from die hard hid people that never had anything nice to say about led, which is why i laugh when i hear that they run them now. i mean how long was it befor u really say cmh as a main lighting for them to it wasnt asap it takes time to integrate tech.

all you have to do is look at the #'s its pretty simple if u can make a led with a higher % of efficiency than hid an have higher par #s it will do better its more light. now not all leds are the same so knowing what they can do is what matters. its also why alot of companys dont give u that info.


if u might be looking into leds whats your budget? i always have my ear out for new things if it pans out u might want one.

if u do find a keeper of that acid pheno you posted an are willing to share lmk ( was a nice pic btw)

 

[zerocool21]

Here's a frosty shot for ya to enjoy

 

[RB56]

it wasnt about coming off strong it was calling my character an integrity into question, also saying i had ulterior motives, just was highly uncalled for. until you have proof its best to keep that stuff to yourself it will cause less friction.

This is what he posted:

Am I just paranoid or what.


I have this theory. I see these guys who joined the forums in Oct 2014 and they all post in this 1 topic promoting LED's.

Also this one guy mentioning how much knowledge he has in the US market with LED's being accepted makes me paranoid.

Sorry, but I just wanted to speak my mind.

~mr. gt

Your over-reaction makes it seem more likely you are a shill, not less likely. mr. gt was pointing out that everyone reading this thread should be aware of possible conflicts of interest (or actual misrepresentation) so they don't give unearned credibility and waste their money. This needs to be evaluated any time somebody mentions products by name. It would be utterly foolish to not be suspicious of posts that are making money for somebody.

Why are you offended by any of this?