Broad Mite and Spider Mite IPM for Cannabis (lets get a convo going)

[zuni]

I'm pretty sure I am dealing with cyclamen mites and not broads.

why do you think it cyclamens. you have a microscope, can you see the eggs? Broad mites have a very distinct looking egg with dots on it

 

[Former Guest]

I looked it over and didn't find any eggs. I have found very very tiny bugs living in the new tips of growth that won't open up. this is where the CM lives. the article and several others said the BM will be found on leaf surfaces and I can't see anything like that. it also avoids the light. theres a video link on my thread but the quality was hard as I was trying to keep the scope in focus. on my phone though, it is much better and people who have seen it think it's some sort of BM. the leaves have either formed perfect pretty spiral curly cues or they have puckered and won't even form looking like the cyclamen damage on a cyclamen plant. I think the spiral leaves are unrelated and/or caused by the phantom defiecencies described by people experiencing this problem.

 

[zuni]

I looked it over and didn't find any eggs. I have found very very tiny bugs living in the new tips of growth that won't open up. this is where the CM lives. the article and several others said the BM will be found on leaf surfaces and I can't see anything like that. it also avoids the light. theres a video link on my thread but the quality was hard as I was trying to keep the scope in focus. on my phone though, it is much better and people who have seen it think it's some sort of BM. the leaves have either formed perfect pretty spiral curly cues or they have puckered and won't even form looking like the cyclamen damage on a cyclamen plant. I think the spiral leaves are unrelated and/or caused by the phantom defiecencies described by people experiencing this problem.

ya but with cannabis in veg the broads like to hang out in the shady areas which cld be why they are in the nodes?

 

[zuni]

I looked it over and didn't find any eggs. I have found very very tiny bugs living in the new tips of growth that won't open up. this is where the CM lives. the article and several others said the BM will be found on leaf surfaces and I can't see anything like that. it also avoids the light. theres a video link on my thread but the quality was hard as I was trying to keep the scope in focus. on my phone though, it is much better and people who have seen it think it's some sort of BM. the leaves have either formed perfect pretty spiral curly cues or they have puckered and won't even form looking like the cyclamen damage on a cyclamen plant. I think the spiral leaves are unrelated and/or caused by the phantom defiecencies described by people experiencing this problem.

I watched the video and the lil booger was moving quickly!! Broads are the more active no? Plz try to look for the distinctinve eggs

 

[zuni]

I looked it over and didn't find any eggs. I have found very very tiny bugs living in the new tips of growth that won't open up. this is where the CM lives. the article and several others said the BM will be found on leaf surfaces and I can't see anything like that. it also avoids the light. theres a video link on my thread but the quality was hard as I was trying to keep the scope in focus. on my phone though, it is much better and people who have seen it think it's some sort of BM. the leaves have either formed perfect pretty spiral curly cues or they have puckered and won't even form looking like the cyclamen damage on a cyclamen plant. I think the spiral leaves are unrelated and/or caused by the phantom defiecencies described by people experiencing this problem.

I have come to the conclusion tht these things are soo small tht the best way to get rid of them are predatory mites and chemicals. But I think the predators will do a better job than all since they will seek em out.

 

[Former Guest]

maybe. the article says they frequently are found together so people kill the BM but the CM regroups a couple weeks later if I remember correctly so people think their BM treatment doesn't work but it's the CM they can't beat. the AG sites said that chems aren't even good with CM and that its only able to be controlled using biological aids and eradication was hard.

I am only using avid as it is classified as a microbial inoculant and not classified as a carcinogen or organophosphate which I thought is the bad ones. its the same classification as Botanigard.
Edit: I was looking at the graph again earlier and the graph was sideways (landscape) and the scrolling back and forth messed up which one I was looking at. Avid isn't classified as a Microbial Inoculant (MI) but instead a macrolactone (ML).

 

[zuni]

maybe. the article says they frequently are found together so people kill the BM but the CM regroups a couple weeks later if I remember correctly so people think their BM treatment doesn't work but it's the CM they can't beat. the AG sites said that chems aren't even good with CM and that its only able to be controlled using biological aids and eradication was hard.

I am only using avid as it is classified as a microbial inoculant and not classified as a carcinogen or organophosphate which I thought is the bad ones. its the same classification as Botanigard.

If I were you I would also order some predators. Either swirskiis or Barkari's thts wht I am gonna do.

 

[Mikell]

If I were you I would also order some predators. Either swirskiis or Barkari's thts wht I am gonna do.

Check out compatibility. I have little knowledge of A. barkeri, but I know that A. swirskii and A. cucumeris do not interact well together, were A. swirskii will ignore the target pest in favour of cucumeris young.

Righto, and Peppermint Bronners is gold. I dope it out with peppermint essential oil, neem, rosemary, etc.

 

[Former Guest]

A. Californicus eats mites including broad mites and cyclamen mites and is very compatible to use with botaniguard which doesn't specifically say that it control mites but UC Davis said beauveria bassiana has been known to control broad mites. I read they will even stay around if they don't find eggs to eat which makes me feel a little better they won't run off before the plague hits again

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

I dont think ppl like the word "systemic" and will aviod if possible

this is highly effective and approved for vegetable starts and is generally regarded a safe if used in veg twice 14 days apart. when it comes to bms and pesticides, systemic varieties are the only ones that are highly effective and arent all any where as safe as kontos. as far as chems go i would vote for this one to be in folks line up for sure. not a good stand alone but definitely a smart one. thrips, aphids ,all mites , and a bunch of others. lot less gnarley than avid.

 

[RetroGrow]

Pretty obvious noone wants to search the other thread

Yes, and that's on you for being too lazy to read. Believe it or not, it's considered common courtesy on any forum to read/search FIRST before asking redundant questions. I even gave you the exact way to find the information. And I answered your question at the same time. No fans. That is not something new, but has been posted 100 times already. If you had done even a tiny amount of reading, you would know that, but you are too lazy and don't care about common courtesy. There is a reason they have the search function, but the bottom line is, you just don't want to use it.

 

[zuni]

this is highly effective and approved for vegetable starts and is generally regarded a safe if used in veg twice 14 days apart. when it comes to bms and pesticides, systemic varieties are the only ones that are highly effective and arent all any where as safe as kontos. as far as chems go i would vote for this one to be in folks line up for sure. not a good stand alone but definitely a smart one. thrips, aphids ,all mites , and a bunch of others. lot less gnarley than avid.

I will look more into it!!

 

[zuni]

just ignore and he will go away just ignore and he will go away

 

[EclipseFour20]

Don't feed the troll.

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[zuni]

Yes, and that's on you for being too lazy to read. Believe it or not, it's considered common courtesy on any forum to read/search FIRST before asking redundant questions. I even gave you the exact way to find the information. And I answered your question at the same time. No fans. That is not something new, but has been posted 100 times already. If you had done even a tiny amount of reading, you would know that, but you are too lazy and don't care about common courtesy. There is a reason they have the search function, but the bottom line is, you just don't want to use it.

there are a lot more unanswered questions tht folks have not touched on yet, maybe you can chime in?

Why is "Stirrup M" off the market?

Is [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]http://www.troybiosciences.com/techn...esticide_4.asp [/FONT]the same as OG biowar?


Wht do you know about using Dr Bronners peppermint hemp soap and H2o2 for pest control?

Also someone suggested creating a "Heat Treatment" Sticky, go own it. Copy and Paste your old stuff if necessary

 

[Former Guest]

so what exactly is Kontos as I've not heard it mentioned yet on here. seems like avid is the go to when doing this and it was the only one I found that said it would work okay but the suggested ones were kin to DDT and that didn't sound good....

can we please talk about which ones are least harmful? I am searching on my own but this is really all new to me.

 

[zuni]

so what exactly is Kontos as I've not heard it mentioned yet on here. seems like avid is the go to when doing this and it was the only one I found that said it would work okay but the suggested ones were kin to DDT and that didn't sound good....

can we please talk about which ones are least harmful? I am searching on my own but this is really all new to me.

In the OP there is this link [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]http://rosemania.com/SprayReferenceOct2013_final.pdf
[/FONT] that shows the levels of toxicity on a scale of 1-4. Im researching Kontos now

 

[zuni]

In the OP there is this link [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]http://rosemania.com/SprayReferenceOct2013_final.pdf
[/FONT] that shows the levels of toxicity on a scale of 1-4. Im researching Kontos now

Its level 2 like Avid all the other ones are "less" toxic

 

[zuni]

Kontos

http://www.ohp.com/Labels_MSDS/PDF/kontos_label.pdf

 

[zuni]

Kontos

http://www.ohp.com/Labels_MSDS/PDF/kontos_label.pdf

from what I gather its a preventative spray and will not help in larger thresholds.