LSWM's 3k Vert Donut's @ 7000ft!

[Miraculous Meds]

No I do stacked bulbs. I needed to be literally a foot closer from screen to bulb.

stacking bulbs brought my individual bulb run yields up about 20 to 30%. It is crucial IMO.

 

[papaduc]

You never know... It's just one grower's opinion to another, but personally I don't think so.

I'm going on bud size and structure, and bud spacing on large areas of that canopy and yield per square foot needed to hit a gpw. I think the best you can hope for is about .7 per light. I've ran canopies which are more filled in which still didn't quite hit the gpw.

In the third picture when you zoom right in on it, it looks to me like there's an ounce dried in two square foot of space. Other areas look better packed in terms of buds, but overall I would be very surprised if you pull a gpw from that one. Like I say I've done runs with screens much more packed and not done so. Good luck...





you'll need it

 

[Miraculous Meds]

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[papaduc]

Im not gonna go on and on about guessing yield cause its pointless

You're right, anyone can fiddle the scales.

u can weigh it up.

Me?

Go on then.

I wish I could show u the whole screen

That's what they all say

to be fair I only have seen portions of ur canopys

I like to leave some to the imagination. Classier that way

I don't dispute what u say u got from them.

You should. We're all liars

this will not be a record

No shit batman

the distance was to far from the bulb

Are we talking same room... same house?

the screens are too large.

Blame TV if it makes you feel better

critical

It's finally dawned...

 

[DabOnDabs]

You never know... It's just one grower's opinion to another, but personally I don't think so.

I'm going on bud size and structure, and bud spacing on large areas of that canopy and yield per square foot needed to hit a gpw. I think the best you can hope for is about .7 per light. I've ran canopies which are more filled in which still didn't quite hit the gpw.

In the third picture when you zoom right in on it, it looks to me like there's an ounce dried in two square foot of space. Other areas look better packed in terms of buds, but overall I would be very surprised if you pull a gpw from that one. Like I say I've done runs with screens much more packed and not done so. Good luck...



you'll need it

 

[Miraculous Meds]

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[Ichabod Crane]

 

[papaduc]

 

[Miraculous Meds]

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[papaduc]

 

[Miraculous Meds]

good day.

 

[Lil' Brodhi]

Papaduc... What do you think of my canopy(meh, fair, ideal, overgrown)? First time flowering with 1k's and co2

 

[Miraculous Meds]

it does look good!

 

[papaduc]

Papaduc... What do you think of my canopy(meh, fair, ideal, overgrown)? First time flowering with 1k's and co2

Looks nice mate, especially for your first time in a new setup.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Lil I think you need to start cleaning out some of the shaded branches in the back. I know it is hard to do but as you learn more you will see that those shaded stems will just not produce for you. It will cause you to lose yield in the long run and make you work harder at trim time.

I can see them in the second picture. As the stems in the front fill in they will become more and more shaded and draw nutes from the front stems.

 

[Lil' Brodhi]

Thanks IC, exactly what I was looking for. I have one more cloning, pruning session planned and then what's done is done.

I thought we were discussing canopies(inspired by the pic you brought into the thread and the conversation that followed). I thought it was relevant, I probably shouldn't of posted it but I freaked out when I read you think you're going to get a gpw with that canopy and wanted to hear what others would say about my mine(super nervous about this crop) while silly guesstimates were the topic of conversation.

 

[papaduc]

Lil I think you need to start cleaning out some of the shaded branches in the back. I know it is hard to do but as you learn more you will see that those shaded stems will just not produce for you. It will cause you to lose yield in the long run and make you work harder at trim time.

I can see them in the second picture. As the stems in the front fill in they will become more and more shaded and draw nutes from the front stems.

That's spot on.

Chopping all those branches seems counter intuitive and it's only with time you learn to be ruthless.

The good thing about having a packed canopy like that is you can choose the strongest branches to become colas, you can shape the canopy however you want that way. Choose your colas, cut everything else.

The earlier you do it the sooner the plant can focus its energy on those branches. When the plant spreads its energy between all those limbs you never get the development on the main buds that you want.

while silly guesstimates were the topic of conversation.

Don't worry bout that... silly guestimates are what we live for

 

[LSWM]

I'm just going to overlook the bickering and continue like it never happened...

I'm pulling the DTB tray tonight. Strawberry Diesel is in two 5 gal buckets. It's completely dry. 1 of the buckets is just perfect the other is a little bit too dry...oh well they are in sealed containers now. Rehydration will come after final manicure.

I filled two 5 gallon buckets STUFFED FULL with small branches and nugs. It's really hard to estimate yield until they are full clipped from branches and even then hard to estimate until final manicure, which at that point a scale works just fine.

I'm gonna throw out 2 #'s and hope I'm correct. Last tray I pulled filled 1 and 3/4 5 gallon buckets but wasn't nearly as stuffed in as this run, so fingers are crossed I get 2 #'s or more. 1 GPW is the goal!

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Papaduc is right the earlier the better. The reason is is that your plants will spend part of its growth on parts that will latter be disposed of. That growth could have been put to use with the part of the plant you she.

Another benefit is that you can take smaller amounts of the plant off spread over a longer period of time. This is important as taking to much at one time will stall most plants. That can add extra time to your flower period or even stop your plant from filling in to its fullest.

Now on the pruning I would hit all the smaller branches in the back first. These will not stunt the plant as much as taking a plant part that is getting more light. What you are doing is taking a part that is most often a drain of the plants resourses. By removing this you allow these resourses to go the the more productive parts of the plant. You will also get the plant use to losing small parts and reduce the impact or eliminate the impact of the pruning.

If you look at your plant you will notice some stems that are getting light at the top but not lower down the same stem. Remove the lower parts and leave the stem tops. When you do this try to leave the fans below. The fans will be sucked dry for the nutrients by the plant. And that is when you remove them. Latter on if they get light colored you can take them after stretch is done if they don't you can take them. This will give you more air movement.

 

[LSWM]

Papaduc... What do you think of my canopy(meh, fair, ideal, overgrown)? First time flowering with 1k's and co2

Lil I think you need to start cleaning out some of the shaded branches in the back. I know it is hard to do but as you learn more you will see that those shaded stems will just not produce for you. It will cause you to lose yield in the long run and make you work harder at trim time.

I can see them in the second picture. As the stems in the front fill in they will become more and more shaded and draw nutes from the front stems.

Chopping all those branches seems counter intuitive and it's only with time you learn to be ruthless.

The good thing about having a packed canopy like that is you can choose the strongest branches to become colas, you can shape the canopy however you want that way. Choose your colas, cut everything else.

The earlier you do it the sooner the plant can focus its energy on those branches. When the plant spreads its energy between all those limbs you never get the development on the main buds that you want.

I would get in there are GO NUTS. Those bitches need less nodes, lots less, or you will have a jungle on your hands. Less fans as well, but don't take them all at once. You can take branches and it will stunt them only slightly, if you take all the leaves off a branch and leave the actual branch, it will be stunted for a week or so. You don't want to be taking whole large branches (unless you think it will be a complete waste), but definitely the smaller tiny little nodes hiding behind the front of the canopy.

I didn't trim enough off this last run and a whole lot of my nugs ended up smaller than they should have, and there were nugs that ended up out of direct light and are fluffy and worthless. Normally Vert has the opposite effect where everything is rock hard... Not if you have too many nodes, I found that one out the hard way. Also trim time takes a major hit, which is simply the WORST.

How stretchy is your strain? I would also be pinching your stems DAILY if they stretch at all like most that I run, which will stretch from 1.5-2x in height by week 3. This is called supercropping. You pinch until you feel the stem literally crush beneath your fingers. Just be careful not to pinch so hard the branch breaks. I'd do it twice a day if the plants can take it and you can swing it. The tallest branches on each level I would pinch as well as EVERY SINGLE top cola on the top row. You will have colas growing into the ceiling if you don't. This can be a good thing for some extra square footage, if you can keep them supported and growing horizontally against the ceiling, which won't be easy reaching the ceiling and trying to tie shit up once the jungle has arrived. I'd definitely get some chicken wire of some sort of support system setup on the ceiling before there is too much foliage in your way.

Keep pinching until they stop stretching. Those branches that get pinched will not grow nearly as tall as if you hadn't pinched them, especially if you keep at it.