16,000w Coco 6/9 DTW tree grow

[Imationkarl]

running THE blue dream, a good og kush cut, pineapple express, SSHSD cut which kills it, purple kush, snow dog, and a good dark shadow haze cut. but I just got a really amazing offer from an east coast breeder to run basically the 4 cuts that are his life work. he wants to see them mass produced where i am. so that will be very interesting. I'm getting those cuts tomorrow or the following day and will likely phase out all of my other strains for these new 4.

6/9 is pretty fun. how i do it now is like so:

VEG
75% RO water
25% hard well water
Ca/mg+ to bring EC to 0.4 if it's not there already
a tiny bit of silica (i think I really notice a difference with this)
0.33ml/gal thrive alive
6/9
ph to 5.8-6.0

FLOWER
75% RO
25% hard well water
ca/mg to 0.4 ec
0.33ml/gal thrive alive
4 ml/gal Sweet Raw
6/9
twice during flower they get a 1tsp/gal boost of koolbloom powder in one reservoir that lasts 12 hours.

I go through a ton of nutrients. The flower room I posted pics of drinks around 30gal/day with usually 0 run off. Which is dangerous. I need runoff or i get salt build up which causes tons of mystery problems. whenever I see issues I flush with RO water with 0.4 ec Ca/mag+ until the ec drops to what my normal feed EC is and then I give them a bit of full strength and it fixes things. I generally do this once a week if I don't have runoff. or else I need lots and lots of runoff and it's a waste.

 

[Imationkarl]

i had a few issues with 6/9 early on and it all ended up being salt build up. originally i was adding too much ca/mg i think. that's when i started cutting my RO with some well water and just using maybe 1ml/gal ca/mg tops. and only sometimes when my starting EC was low. this took care of most issues.

I have a buddy that does 6/9 in veg and 9/18 in flower and like 5 other products but his plants don't look half as good.... it's all about keeping the EC runoff close to what you're putting in and not adding to much junk to your water, IMO. it took me a bit to realize how critical runoff EC is. runoff ph does not seem to matter, at all. mine ALWAYS reads around 5.00

 

[lvtokerr]

i had a few issues with 6/9 early on and it all ended up being salt build up. originally i was adding too much ca/mg i think. that's when i started cutting my RO with some well water and just using maybe 1ml/gal ca/mg tops. and only sometimes when my starting EC was low. this took care of most issues.

I have a buddy that does 6/9 in veg and 9/18 in flower and like 5 other products but his plants don't look half as good.... it's all about keeping the EC runoff close to what you're putting in and not adding to much junk to your water, IMO. it took me a bit to realize how critical runoff EC is. runoff ph does not seem to matter, at all. mine ALWAYS reads around 5.00

thats why i use the keep is it simple method ftw! im not no magician or chemist so i dont pretend to be.

 

[theother]

I have about 2 feet to move around the perimeter of the room and access to most points on my hands and knees. I wouldn't want it any more or less cramped. I have not ran anything resulting from the cell culture yet. I will update that as we move forward.

Lol, I know what you mean, too much room and you know your losing something. I gave up years ago on comfort, seems like what is best for the plants isn't always best for me.

running THE blue dream, a good og kush cut, pineapple express, SSHSD cut which kills it, purple kush, snow dog, and a good dark shadow haze cut. but I just got a really amazing offer from an east coast breeder to run basically the 4 cuts that are his life work. he wants to see them mass produced where i am. so that will be very interesting. I'm getting those cuts tomorrow or the following day and will likely phase out all of my other strains for these new 4.

6/9 is pretty fun. how i do it now is like so:

VEG
75% RO water
25% hard well water
Ca/mg+ to bring EC to 0.4 if it's not there already
a tiny bit of silica (i think I really notice a difference with this)
0.33ml/gal thrive alive
6/9
ph to 5.8-6.0

FLOWER
75% RO
25% hard well water
ca/mg to 0.4 ec
0.33ml/gal thrive alive
4 ml/gal Sweet Raw
6/9
twice during flower they get a 1tsp/gal boost of koolbloom powder in one reservoir that lasts 12 hours.

I go through a ton of nutrients. The flower room I posted pics of drinks around 30gal/day with usually 0 run off. Which is dangerous. I need runoff or i get salt build up which causes tons of mystery problems. whenever I see issues I flush with RO water with 0.4 ec Ca/mag+ until the ec drops to what my normal feed EC is and then I give them a bit of full strength and it fixes things. I generally do this once a week if I don't have runoff. or else I need lots and lots of runoff and it's a waste.

I completely agree that most 6/9 problems are buildup related. Run that stuff at a reasonable ec without a ton of additives and get decent runoff and life will be good. Can't remember if your using it or not but drip clean works fantastically with 6/9, gotta go through the cycle with it though, would not add it mid stream. Another one is sm90, shits money, it works as a surfactant wetting agent wh increases uptake and as a slight sanitizer which in a synthetic nute soilless media situation does not suck.

 

[Chevy cHaze]

Looking great! sub'd.
I'm looking into transforming my e&f table into a recirc. top fed setup with dripper stakes.
How much water goes through these stakes actually ?

 

[Mikell]

Sub'd

 

[Imationkarl]

The stakes have 1/2 gph emitters and are slightly under pressure due to only an 800gph pump running it. Each plant has 3-6 stakes depending on how much it drinks compared to its neighbor plant.

 

[Snype]

Nice grow Imationkarl! I'm getting ready to build a 16,000 watt flowering room for 16 plants. I'm wondering why you chose to breakdown your space to 2 x 8,000 watt rooms? I'm not sure if it had to do with cooling or something else. Just want to hear your thoughts on the subject so I don't make any mistakes in the build. Good luck with your future endeavors!

 

[Imationkarl]

Well, I had a 16 lamp flipbox sitting around so I'm able to run one room at night and the other during the day with 8 phantom II ballasts. twice the room with constant power consumption and half the ballasts is basically the only advantage to this.

But I'm starting construction on another room (i'm in a 8,000sqfoot warehouse that i can split into two levels to make around 15,000sqft with over 500amps of three phase power.) for this BIG 30+ light room I'm going to just do it all in one room and run it at night. it's pretty cold 9 months of the year where I'm at so running at night is really great. you can just run out of available amps quickly this way.

if you're really trying to maximize the power you have available in your building, it is best to build every other room on the opposite schedule so the warehouse runs maxed out 24 hours a day. that's the end goal. my rooms flip/flop at 10am and 10pm.

 

[Imationkarl]

Lol, I know what you mean, too much room and you know your losing something. I gave up years ago on comfort, seems like what is best for the plants isn't always best for me.



I completely agree that most 6/9 problems are buildup related. Run that stuff at a reasonable ec without a ton of additives and get decent runoff and life will be good. Can't remember if your using it or not but drip clean works fantastically with 6/9, gotta go through the cycle with it though, would not add it mid stream. Another one is sm90, shits money, it works as a surfactant wetting agent wh increases uptake and as a slight sanitizer which in a synthetic nute soilless media situation does not suck.

I ran drip clean for a run and did not notice anything. but I also didn't start it on day one and run it to the end like you suggested so i might have missed the benefit. i noticed it's really, really expensive and when you're mixing up close to 100 gallons of solution a day, it adds up. sm90 i've seen that product, the surfacant sounds interesting. that would probably help my drippers saturate the entire soil better? not that they're having an issue now. the entire pot is generally moist. and i do not have any issues with bad things living in my soils. in 75% coco 25% perlite, smartpots, huge oscillating fans hitting the pots/underbrush, and watering 8 times a day, i don't think anything bad can take hold in there.

i only use the stuff i really think i need. i use thrive alive because through my science degree, and two good friends plant science degrees, we believe the plant benefits from it. and my cloning success went up to 99% the day i started adding it to my spray bottle.

 

[Snype]

Well, I had a 16 lamp flipbox sitting around so I'm able to run one room at night and the other during the day with 8 phantom II ballasts. twice the room with constant power consumption and half the ballasts is basically the only advantage to this.

But I'm starting construction on another room (i'm in a 8,000sqfoot warehouse that i can split into two levels to make around 15,000sqft with over 500amps of three phase power.) for this BIG 30+ light room I'm going to just do it all in one room and run it at night. it's pretty cold 9 months of the year where I'm at so running at night is really great. you can just run out of available amps quickly this way.

if you're really trying to maximize the power you have available in your building, it is best to build every other room on the opposite schedule so the warehouse runs maxed out 24 hours a day. that's the end goal. my rooms flip/flop at 10am and 10pm.

Thanks for the advice. Just wanted to see what you thought. So I guess you air cool those rooms. Must be cold where you are. I'm pretty sure I'm going to stick to 1 room with 16,000 watts. I also have another floor that I can put another 16,000 watts as well right under that room. Thanks for the help and good luck with your projects.

 

[Imationkarl]

neighbors in the warehouse next to me (high end clothes/furniture storage for a super rich ski club around here) are complaining about smell this morning. my landlord came busting in at 8am, scaring the shit out of me. he said it smells worse in their space than in my actual flower room..ha ha ha

i have three of the biggest can filters (can150?) and max-fan 12" sitting on standby so I'll start running one in the bloom room tonight.

 

[newtothiscoco]

if you run warehouse you should rly consider looking in to the new led that came on the marked, they out scale hps/mhc
and they dont get hot they run cool with no open parts. these lamps was invented to normal warehouse's and are made to hang high, and the grow industry just opened there eyes to this light and it got the full spec, you can compare these lights to the sun just in a smaller scale ofc
but yeah you should rly try one and compare with the lights you are running maybe they are a bit more expensive but there is a 5 year warranty on the light. who in the hps/mhc industry have a 5 year warranty on their lights ? (no one) think about it

 

[Miraculous Meds]

neighbors in the warehouse next to me (high end clothes/furniture storage for a super rich ski club around here) are complaining about smell this morning. my landlord came busting in at 8am, scaring the shit out of me. he said it smells worse in their space than in my actual flower room..ha ha ha

i have three of the biggest can filters (can150?) and max-fan 12" sitting on standby so I'll start running one in the bloom room tonight.

It amazes me that u invest all this money and work, and haven't installed ur filters yet. Get on that shit, it would have been better if they never smelled it.

 

[Imationkarl]

link? i would be willing to run one and post results.

working on sealing up the 3 rooms upstairs and getting pressurized co2 going in the next month. i tried a propane burner in the first flower room and no fucking way could i handle that heat humidity. i would have to get another big dehuey and add even MORE heat. even running it at 90 degrees and 1500ppm my cold air intake would run all the time washing the co2 out. so, pressurized it is.

or maybe i'll just keep my nice 72degree room with atmospheric co2? advice here?

 

[Imationkarl]

It amazes me that u invest all this money and work, and haven't installed ur filters yet. Get on that shit, it would have been better if they never smelled it.

it's all fully legal and everyone in the area knows about the facility. i didn't think the smell was that bad, yet. but i'm also here 24/7 so i'm used to it. i internalize all of the smell from the rooms. nothing gets dumped outside. so i now have 2 big filters running in different spots in the shop. i'll add the 3rd when i flower the second room.

 

[Imationkarl]

could someone please walk me through the fastest way to take a picture with my iphone and post it here? right now it takes me forever to do a photo update.

 

[Mikell]

Spurr on CO2

 

[Imationkarl]

Thanks for the link. After reading that I'll try running at 1000ppm! Do you guys increase temps to the mid 80's at that concentration?

 

[Mikell]

Aye, daytime temp around 85, RH at 60