LSWM's 3k Vert Donut's @ 7000ft!

[LSWM]

As for the new rooms, I decided I would give myself some time to figure it out and figure out funds. Current plan is to use the space I previously used for three 1k donuts at the start of this thread.

I just transplanted 10 SD and 5 SIS from clone/growstones to 1 gallons of pure coco. Plan is to veg and flip them on screens as soon as I can pull this next tray and grab another light. I would like to get some real trays in there and plumbed out as well. This would give me more vertical space to work with, as well as prevent spills or leaks from occurring.

 

[LSWM]

Cool im getting close on one of my vert scrog runs. Maybe ill snap a pic for ya of how I do it. I think im gonna have a pretty good pull on mine, even though I got them too far from the bulbs.

You gonna have improved yields on this run?

I'm looking to crack 1 gpw on at least 1 of these trays, but I'm skeptical. I'd be happy with 2 #, but 1.5 each 1k would certainly suffice.

I had a 4' diameter octagon pretty well covered for ~3' of vertical. I had too many budsites though. I'm not sure if this will effect yield or just bud size. We will see. Definitely my best run yet...

 

[Miraculous Meds]

I think im on target for 1.5 on this run, we will see. But u talking about keeping a table or tray that low for vert and catching drain water is why I went with a ppk system. Ill try and get some pics to show u what I mean.

 

[LSWM]

I think im on target for 1.5 on this run, we will see. But u talking about keeping a table or tray that low for vert and catching drain water is why I went with a ppk system. Ill try and get some pics to show u what I mean.

I have one built right now, and I know exactly what you mean. I can actually save like 6 inches by using trays, and honestly I really like DTW. My current PPK is killing it, but the amount of materials required to build 15 of them starts to add up and complicate something so simple.

I'm sticking with my DTW multifeed coco for this next run. Height is a serious issue in this location. Vaulted ceilings are only ~6.5 at the peak. Such a bitch to work in, but we do what we must.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

I have one built right now, and I know exactly what you mean. I can actually save like 6 inches by using trays, and honestly I really like DTW. My current PPK is killing it, but the amount of materials required to build 15 of them starts to add up and complicate something so simple.

I'm sticking with my DTW multifeed coco for this next run. Height is a serious issue in this location. Vaulted ceilings are only ~6.5 at the peak. Such a bitch to work in, but we do what we must.

cool, I just couldn't plumb in drains lower than my ppks. So when I was doing the vert scrogs dtw I was shop vac'ing the run off and that sucked. But I hit 1.5 on dtw as well, so its just as productive for coco.

 

[LSWM]

cool, I just couldn't plumb in drains lower than my ppks. So when I was doing the vert scrogs dtw I was shop vac'ing the run off and that sucked. But I hit 1.5 on dtw as well, so its just as productive for coco.

Yeah, well this grow is going to be a last minute thrown together deal just to keep things rolling along. I'm not even going to pond liner the carpet, just these trays and be done, lmao. It's upstairs in a loft type area so I can just plumb it down to the bathroom directly below. I gotta figure out a way of pumping water up there though. It's gonna mean carrying 5 gallon buckets over to fill another res, then pumping water from that res upstairs, unless I can swing more $$ for another RO, or plumb something between the houses...

Oh well, lots of problems to solve, and leg work to put in. Keeps me busy.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Yeah, well this grow is going to be a last minute thrown together deal just to keep things rolling along. I'm not even going to pond liner the carpet. Just these trays and be done, lmao. I gotta figure out a way of pumping water up there though. It's gonna mean carrying 5 gallon buckets over to fill another res, then pumping water from that res upstairs, unless I can swing more $$ for another RO, or plumb something between the houses...

Oh well, lots of problems to solve, and leg work to put in. Keeps me busy.

Dude just spend another few hundred on a small ro system. F that carrying 5 gal buckets of water. That's one of the things that fuk'd my back up.

 

[LSWM]

Unfortunately it may come down to a few hundred bucks or me carrying 15 gallons of water over every day for 10 weeks, lmao...

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Unless u need the couple hundred bucks to pay the mortgage, keep the lights on or put food in ur kids mouth, this is me kicking u in the butt to go buy that ro system!

I understand if its not in the budget at the moment, buck it up for a few months and tote the water over.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Hows it brother!

 

[Miraculous Meds]

its working pretty good.

 

[LSWM]

Hows it brother! Thought id share a couple screen pics with ya, and some bud porn.

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Looks good bud. Looks like the screen could be a little tidier and tighter but over all pretty good coverage. That's using stacked 600's?

A couple of pics of the ppk and the feed water manifold. Coco wicks too much and stays too wet for me so I been running my water level below the drain. I even thought about just dtw with this system just using my volume res to feed from with the pump and just draining the control res to waste. but for now im still recirculating and its working pretty good.

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I like your feed manifold, but as you say coco is really good at wicking. I really don't think we need so many points of water squirting into the medium, but hey, overkill is underrated.

With my Coco PPK, I've been running it ~2 inches below the media, which I know is way higher than most would, but if I run it any lower the pump runs out of water during floods after 24 hours. I've been adding ~2-3 gallons a day to keep it topped up.

The thing with Coco is that once the roots fill the pot you can't over water. I don't care if they are sitting in water. If the plant mass and the root mass is large enough you would literally have to submerge the whole root mass for hours to cause issues. At least this has been my experience.

I feel like you could probably even submerge the whole thing for 12 hours every day and still get away with it, lmao.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Looks good bud. Looks like the screen could be a little tidier and tighter but over all pretty good coverage. That's using stacked 600's?



I like your feed manifold, but as you say coco is really good at wicking. I really don't think we need so many points of water squirting into the medium, but hey, overkill is underrated.

With my Coco PPK, I've been running it ~2 inches below the media, which I know is way higher than most would, but if I run it any lower the pump runs out of water during floods after 24 hours. I've been adding ~2-3 gallons a day to keep it topped up.

The thing with Coco is that once the roots fill the pot you can't over water. I don't care if they are sitting in water. If the plant mass and the root mass is large enough you would literally have to submerge the whole root mass for hours to cause issues. At least this has been my experience.

I feel like you could probably even submerge the whole thing for 12 hours every day and still get away with it, lmao.

I actually think the multiple points of watering is important with coco in a 20" wide pot. Other wise u will get dry pockets and salt build up. Im trying to saturate the medium not flood it like u would with turface.

I will try and save u a lot of grief. when ur talking about coco and sitting in water u can overwater and drown the roots, ive done it several times to the tune of 50% loss of yield. So im trying to point u in the right direction. Get u a sump pump or utility pump that pulls from the bottom then u can lower u water level. If u keep it up that high I promise it would do a lot better if u get more of a gap.

Instead of having to add water to it every day hook up a volume res to the ro float valve and keep ur water level constant, and not have to fill the volume res but every so often.

 

[LSWM]

I will try and save u a lot of grief. when ur talking about coco and sitting in water u can overwater and drown the roots, ive done it several times to the tune of 50% loss of yield. So im trying to point u in the right direction. Get u a sump pump or utility pump that pulls from the bottom then u can lower u water level. If u keep it up that high I promise it would do a lot better if u get more of a gap.

Instead of having to add water to it every day hook up a volume res to the ro float valve and keep ur water level constant, and not have to fill the volume res but every so often.

I'm not fucking with it. Shit is 5 weeks into flower already.

We will see how it goes but I think the over saturation is fine because of flood cycles displacing the water throughout, as well as the plant being big enough to hang with such saturation.

It's a single plant covering a 56"x56" screen under a 600 in a 5 gallon PPK...

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Looks like the screen could be a little tidier and tighter but over all pretty good coverage. That's using stacked 600's?
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For sure. This was an experiment with larger screens further away to maximize quality with no light bleaching. It was way to far away and the plant material on the screen had to be pruned. Then the branches had too far to stretch making it a mess.

Yep that's stacked 6's.

 

[LSWM]

For sure. This was an experiment with larger screens further away to maximize quality with no light bleaching. It was way to far away and the plant material on the screen had to be pruned. Then the branches had too far to stretch making it a mess.

Yep that's stacked 6's.

I've been trying to come up with a nice and tidy way of keeping things pulled back for this next run. I'm thinking about building 2 octagons, 1 ~4" smaller in diameter than the larger one. Then training the plants behind the outer screen and then letting the nodes grow/stretch/point toward the light and fall toward the middle. The second octagon would be there for support.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Its not so bad when u get the right distance from screen to bulb, u can keep all the material on the screen and evenly taper branches towards the bulb. My last pics were just too far away making the branches have to stretch too far. If u nail the distance u don't need that extra screen.

Then again it might work just awesome. As long as u can get to the branches to easily train them.

 

[LSWM]

I don't plan to run anymore "screen" than I already am, which is simply horizontal strings placed ~6" apart, so access should be no problem.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

So u gonna do the double screen then? It would be cool to see how it works out.

 

[papaduc]

My horribly placed screens on those pics I showed u will still break gpw. that's what I love about this style, its so damn efficient.

Brother, I'm going to respectfully disagree. To me that's never in a million years a gpw canopy. And if it's a stacked bulb grow, where's the lower bulb and the rest of the canopy? I thought you just did one bulb?