UK Outdoor 2014

[chambabird]

I stand in awe of your work Buddy; a truly immense achievement there!

On a side note, do any of you guys know any Landrace strains that can flourish and finish in the UK season? I was debating trying Afghan No. 1, but a friend I talked to says that it is a bit mould susceptible. Are there any other classic strains that are worth a try? I'd really love to try my hand at some of the killer strains of yesteryear.

Also, I don't know how true this is, but I remember hearing that there are a small handful of "indigenous" UK outdoor strains that date back to the '60's. My cousin was big into the co-operative/commune scene in North Wales (if anyone knows about the co-operatives centred on Llangollen/Corwen, he was in that scene) and he has told me that they were growing throughout the '60's and '70's, and beyond. He doesn't know much about genetics, but from his description the plants sound like small, early sativas (at a guess). Does anyone know if any of these strains survived? Or the likely origins of the genetics? I know it is a long shot, but I thought I would ask.

 

[Rinse]

I stand in awe of your work Buddy; a truly immense achievement there!

On a side note, do any of you guys know any Landrace strains that can flourish and finish in the UK season? I was debating trying Afghan No. 1, but a friend I talked to says that it is a bit mould susceptible. Are there any other classic strains that are worth a try? I'd really love to try my hand at some of the killer strains of yesteryear.

Also, I don't know how true this is, but I remember hearing that there are a small handful of "indigenous" UK outdoor strains that date back to the '60's. My cousin was big into the co-operative/commune scene in North Wales (if anyone knows about the co-operatives centred on Llangollen/Corwen, he was in that scene) and he has told me that they were growing throughout the '60's and '70's, and beyond. He doesn't know much about genetics, but from his description the plants sound like small, early sativas (at a guess). Does anyone know if any of these strains survived? Or the likely origins of the genetics? I know it is a long shot, but I thought I would ask.

I smoked some Welsh weed from one of those communes, apparently from one of the wettest parts of Wales, it was good smoke felt like a sativa.

The Danes have some old skool strains that do well in U.K.

 

[Shizzlenator]

Damn you guys just do it... and its soo great to see the show !

Keep on doing the good work where ever you have to do it

Greetings mate

 

[gunnaknow]

I stand in awe of your work Buddy; a truly immense achievement there!

On a side note, do any of you guys know any Landrace strains that can flourish and finish in the UK season?

As Rinse suggested, the Danish have some good oldschool strains. I would probably call them cultivars rather than landraces, because they have continued to undergo selective breeding, but they're also similar to landraces in the sense that they have naturally adapted to their environment over the generations. For instance, those plants which flowered too late to produce mature seeds or which died prematurely from diseases, could not have passed their genes on to the next generation, regardless of any selective breeding processes.

I was debating trying Afghan No. 1, but a friend I talked to says that it is a bit mould susceptible. Are there any other classic strains that are worth a try? I'd really love to try my hand at some of the killer strains of yesteryear.

Durban poison perhaps? The versions offered by Dutch passion and Sensi Seeds have been further bred to perform well in the Dutch climate, which is similar to that of our own. Some Danish oldschool varieties are Leb27 and Thyphoon:

"Leb27 aka Lebanon27 aka Leb30
Sativa imported from Lebanon about 30 years ago (written in 2008) and breed in Denmark since that.
potency is ranging from below to above average, depending on phenotype.
yields can be very high given optimum conditions and its very good in crosses.
its told to have a very social sativa high, a sure daytime smoke

it finishes here at 55 nl at end of September, start November."

"Thyphoon
mostly sativa
originates from a social camp society called "Thy Lejren" (Thy Camp)
very early and ready for harvest mid September
both yield and potency above average
some trimming work as sensimillia but excellent hash producer."

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=107100

Also, I don't know how true this is, but I remember hearing that there are a small handful of "indigenous" UK outdoor strains that date back to the '60's. My cousin was big into the co-operative/commune scene in North Wales (if anyone knows about the co-operatives centred on Llangollen/Corwen, he was in that scene) and he has told me that they were growing throughout the '60's and '70's, and beyond. He doesn't know much about genetics, but from his description the plants sound like small, early sativas (at a guess). Does anyone know if any of these strains survived? Or the likely origins of the genetics? I know it is a long shot, but I thought I would ask.

I'm afraid that I can't help you there, but Thyphoon has a similar communal background. The one thing that I would say though is that it's quite a leafy strain, and it is therefore best suited to hash production:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thylejren

 

[SativaBreather]

hey chamba

passion 1 brings back old memories for me lol
when I was in my 1st year of uni 17 years ago my buddies back home did a half decent crop of P1 and gave it all to me to sell - started me on the path that led me to where I am today really lol

was a fucking good result they had, had a good few keys which i done out in bits and it wasnt a bad smoke,plus back then there was barely fuck all herb about in that area, all shite soap bar, progressed well from there, 2-3 years later I had access to a certain well known breeder's swiss outdoor crops - dem was the days lol we still had good pills back then too

 

[buddymate]

do any of you guys know any Landrace strains that can flourish and finish in the UK

Done seeds from hindu-kush and south-africa in the past and they finished

 

[chambabird]

Thanks for all of the help guys, after a little auto experiment last year, this year was my first proper outdoor grow. I have done a bit of indoor stuff-but I got nostalgic for that outdoor buzz.I'll admit that it is a bit of a steep learning curve, but I have certainly
gained a lot of knowledge I would not have got growing indoors.

Rinse and Gunnaknow, I am definitely going to have to check out some of those old Danish strains, alongside the Leb and the Typhoon. I used to love a bit of Red Leb back in the day....Space isn't really an issue outdoors, so I aim to plant out quite a variety and see what really works where I'm growing. My Early Durban has grown well, nice and robust, but I wish that I had tried the pure variety instead. I have never smoked Durban, but I hear its electric, soaring stuff.

SativaBreather, I wish I could give you a bit of the Passion for old times sake. I got to say that as a plant she is really a tough old girl. I had a few setbacks with some of the others...but she just ploughed on getting bigger and bigger...she now towers above all the others, and those buds. If I am able to dodge the mould, I should do quite well out of her. On a side note, I don't miss that cursed soapbar, those blim burns were not much fun!

Buddy, I think I'm definitely set for attempting the Durban here in her pure form. I may also make room for some old school kush, a bit like the Leb, I do miss the feel of that beautiful black soft hash we used to get. Sadly, I think it ended up getting adulterated (with who knows what) but the early stuff was great. A really stoney buzz, leaving us
fixed to the sofa. I used to get the most intense red eye from it too. I would love to have a crack at some of the classic strains from along the hippie trail. I collected some seeds from rural Turkey that I am saving for an indoor project. Its weird to think how long some of these strains have been getting people stoned for.

 

[OakyJoe]

Done seeds from hindu-kush and south-africa in the past and they finished

Can you say which one from the South African Sir? =) Thanks!

 

[neongreen]

Also, I don't know how true this is, but I remember hearing that there are a small handful of "indigenous" UK outdoor strains that date back to the '60's. My cousin was big into the co-operative/commune scene in North Wales (if anyone knows about the co-operatives centred on Llangollen/Corwen, he was in that scene) and he has told me that they were growing throughout the '60's and '70's, and beyond. He doesn't know much about genetics, but from his description the plants sound like small, early sativas (at a guess). Does anyone know if any of these strains survived? Or the likely origins of the genetics? I know it is a long shot, but I thought I would ask.

I'm sure some have survived. I have a few seeds from one (originally from New Zealand) that is now called "Thaedra" : https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=293437

 

[gunnaknow]

Those seeds sound like a great find, Neon!

Rinse and Gunnaknow, I am definitely going to have to check out some of those old Danish strains, alongside the Leb and the Typhoon.

Here's a little more info on the Leb27 for you, from Derg Corra Collective:

"This strain has been grown in Denmark for many years, but it kind of disappeared in its pure form around 2007. So we, at the Derg Corra decided to make this repro to preserve this oldschool outdoor strain. The seeds used for this repro, is from 2003-2006. Leb27 is very easy to grow outdoors almost anywhere. You will find a couple of phenotypes. The most common is the sativa dominated pheno that will be ready to harvest in the end of september. There's a more rare indica dominated pheno, that will be ready a bit later (October)."

Hybrids from Hell now also offer it in two forms; the sativa dom pheno 'Leb27S' and the indica dom pheno 'Leb27 V2'.

 

[harold]

chambabird are you a brit?

 

[SativaBreather]

alright harold mate, you all done for the year or still got some out?

 

[chambabird]

Gunnaknow, its fantastic that they have managed to preserve that Leb, it would be a real shame if some of these heirloom strains were to be lost forever. I do worry that in their regions of origin a lot of these strains are being replaced by rather bland hybrids, due to improved yeald/flowering time/profit. I suppose you can't blame the farmers, most are just trying to scratch a living. Thankfully, there seem to be quite a few seedbanks preserving the classics, so hopefully we will be able to grow them for years to come.

I do have a bit of a fascination with growing the strains of yesteryear, maybe I am the grower equivalent of a steam railway enthusiast (I hope not)! I finished some skunk no.1 a while back indoors, and I would be confident that she could hold her own against many newer varieties. Indoors atm, I am locked in a debate with myself as to whether I should grow Maui Wowie or Blueberry next, but I think I will see how my outdoor finishes before I decide that.

Harold, I was born in Britain, but I have lived quite a bit/most of my life outside the UK. I now live in Wales.

Anyway, thanks for all of the input everyone, its fascinating learning about all these old heirloom strains that sprung from the formative years of cultivation in the '60's and '70's.

 

[harold]

Hi SB,

all the heads are down now, just the pop corn close to the trunk... which will be left to get over ripe and extra sticky


jamaflo bud pic

 

[harold]

ps hows the guerilla glue looking

 

[neongreen]

Those seeds sound like a great find, Neon!

Yeah, I'm thrilled to have a strain with such a history in my collection. I just hope I can find someone with a few more (I only have 6) so we can get them together and do a proper open pollination so that it may be preserved.

Here's a little more info on the Leb27 for you, from Derg Corra Collective:

"This strain has been grown in Denmark for many years, but it kind of disappeared in its pure form around 2007. So we, at the Derg Corra decided to make this repro to preserve this oldschool outdoor strain. The seeds used for this repro, is from 2003-2006. Leb27 is very easy to grow outdoors almost anywhere. You will find a couple of phenotypes. The most common is the sativa dominated pheno that will be ready to harvest in the end of september. There's a more rare indica dominated pheno, that will be ready a bit later (October)."

Hybrids from Hell now also offer it in two forms; the sativa dom pheno 'Leb27S' and the indica dom pheno 'Leb27 V2'.

Derg Corra Collective offer a few strains that chambabird might be interested in (although not acclimatized in the UK), and I have a couple going right now:

Maroc Inspiration

Maroc Inspiration is an old Blue Hemp line landrace. We at the DCCS think it is a petty to Loose these old genes, so this is a reproduction of BH's old line.

This strain has some hard hitting phenoes. Good for extraction!

Mostly indica
Outdoor finish is mid sep- late oktober
Indoor finish is 8-10 weeks.

Viking IBL

Viking is an old Dutch strain probably made from an Afghan landrace. She shows purple hues in flower and brings on a sweet hashy taste with earthy undertones. She's very easy to grow out- and indoor aswell. This strain is very muscle relaxing, and is very good for insomnia too. Couchlock effect. The reproduction of this strain was made by Bald Man Lala for the Derg Corra Collective.

Indica/sativa 90/10% (probably)
Flowering time: 8 weeks
Smell: Hashy/earthy
Taste: Sweet/Hashy
Buzz: Stoned/Relaxed/Munchies

Respond very well to organic growstyles

Here's the Maroc about 2 weeks ago, still going strong and virtually no mold compared to my other plants:

 

[SativaBreather]

Hi SB,

all the heads are down now, just the pop corn close to the trunk... which will be left to get over ripe and extra sticky


jamaflo bud pic

good job mate

ps hows the guerilla glue looking

ok, little funny after the reveg, but i gonna take some cuts monday and put em into flower anyway so i got some for xmas

 

[neongreen]

I got two Viking IBL phenos - one is short, bushy, with dense red/purple colour in the buds in late flower, and it's a bit faster. The other is a bit taller, much less bushy and stays green even when the temps drop.

Short/bushy pheno:

 

[neongreen]

Tall/green pheno:

The tall/green pheno seems more susceptible to mold which is surprising as it's structure is much better for airflow. I've picked off around half the buds of the tall/green pheno due to mold in the last two weeks, but saved about 2/3-1/2 of that and early smoke tests (dried for a few days then zapped in the microwave a few times) indicate that both phenos have very respectable potency

 

[MJBadger]

"Thyphoon
mostly sativa
originates from a social camp society called "Thy Lejren" (Thy Camp)
very early and ready for harvest mid September
both yield and potency above average
some trimming work as sensimillia but excellent hash producer."

I have heard from several people that Thyphoon is not too potent as I was looking for an outdoor plant uk & also PM`d a grower that specialised in Thy on here for some info & he said the same .