Very high CBD strains, which ones?

[Luther Burbank]

I never claimed it was snake oil, not once. I suggested he find a reliable provider of cbd oil instead of attempting to buy seeds that most likely won't deliver. Most of your rebuttal of my post is empty air. You want to infer a bunch of shit like me having an interest in THC, or that I have some narrative to push, or that I'm ignoring evidence go right ahead. Not my problem.

 

[Gil Tokerson]

Huel Perkins - got a few questions about your "Perkins cut" of cannatonic:
-did you find it in seeds from resin seeds?
-How many did you crack to find your cut?
-what are the numbers on your cut, and what were the numbers on the other pheno?.. And how many of each pheno?

Sorry for all the questions, but I can't find many people that have actually put in the time and work to advance understanding of these things.

 

[Gil Tokerson]

Ok, I found the numbers on the Perkins cut, but I'm still curious how hard it was to find that pheno?


Cannatonic - Perkins Cut
17.07% CBD, 0.87% THC, 19.65% Total Cannabinoids
19.6:1 CBD to THC ratio, has tested as high as 38:1 ratio with an early harvest

 

[medicalmj]

What about a 8% THC and 10% CBD strain? THC is a proven winner and CBD is up and coming so why not? I'll make this readily available...

 

[Jynkka]

Jynnka; I hope you understand my bluntness on this matter. Most of the talk of CBD dominant seeds from recreational drug cultivars is empty talk, as is most of the talk from armchair scholars here about cbd curing cancer. There will be lots of people offering you advice on growing this or growing that, but they don't see that they're more concerned with their own ego that's tied to this scene than they are with your sister's health. If you are in a medicinal state finding a reputable provider of medical grade oil is your best bet. It's easy to sit around and talk big about cbd strains when your vested interest is making cannabis sound like a panacea and a cure-all. People get detached from the reality when they don't have a dog in the fight.

My advice would be to find something mild but thc dominant that will stimulate her appetite and help her cope with the chemo. Luckily these days survival rates are good. I hope for the best for your sister.

Thank you for your reply, I truly appreciate your concern. I live in a country where weed is illegal so finding anything medical is quite impossible. I had my suspicions about "high CBD" strains, and I knew I couldn't find anything actually helpful from your normal seed shops. That is why I came here. Still many thanks for your input!

 

[Jynkka]

@medicalmj I can't seem to use visitor messages or PM so please email me.

 

[dddaver]

Need get to 50 posts to PM.

 

[PrimalHaze]

CW is just another hemp plant that they cashed in on. Im not sure if there's anything special about CW. I would like to see a Terpene test run on it.

I don't think there is anything hemp about charlotte's web except that it doesn't contain much thc. I've read posts where people say just cross with hemp or ditchweed to get high cbds. The problem is hemp doesn't have much cannabinoids or terpenes compared to the drug strains.

We tend to forget that landrace hash strains like the ones from RSC contain cbd rich plants. Selecting a cbd plant from those and crossing with cannatonic sounds like a good idea.

Here is one side of the story when it comes to the lineage of R4, greenwerks , the stanleys' and charlottes web...

http://youtu.be/l9Hxa-muaF8?t=27m40s

 

[medicalmj]

Jynnka; I hope you understand my bluntness on this matter. Most of the talk of CBD dominant seeds from recreational drug cultivars is empty talk, as is most of the talk from armchair scholars here about cbd curing cancer. There will be lots of people offering you advice on growing this or growing that, but they don't see that they're more concerned with their own ego that's tied to this scene than they are with your sister's health. If you are in a medicinal state finding a reputable provider of medical grade oil is your best bet. It's easy to sit around and talk big about cbd strains when your vested interest is making cannabis sound like a panacea and a cure-all. People get detached from the reality when they don't have a dog in the fight.

My advice would be to find something mild but thc dominant that will stimulate her appetite and help her cope with the chemo. Luckily these days survival rates are good. I hope for the best for your sister.

Weed might not be a cure all panacea but it does shrink tumors and that's simply a scientific fact. Statistically, if you have one of the aggressive forms of cancer for which "traditional" methods are not effective, you will live longer by taking cannabis oil.

So yes, it effective for nausea that chemo patients experience, but that's fucked! We are misguided in "our" focus as to what this plant is really good at doing.

That is, I know cancer patients with a medical card that are being convinced that pot is perhaps a non narcotic pain med but this talk of curing cancer is just a bunch of hippy bullshit. And then these patients use it for pain and it's not nearly as effective as a Vicodin. So they believe that pot is snake oil cause they were misguided as to what it does well.

You know, these cancer doctors make billions on chemo and radiation. They got big boats and even bigger houses to pay for so if you got good health insurance rest assured they are going to get as much of that $ as possible.

 

[medicalmj]

damn 50 post rule, really hating it right now

I think there are spots on this site where u can rack em up in a few minutes or so because of the format.

 

[Huel Perkins]

Huel Perkins - got a few questions about your "Perkins cut" of cannatonic:
-did you find it in seeds from resin seeds?
-How many did you crack to find your cut?
-what are the numbers on your cut, and what were the numbers on the other pheno?.. And how many of each pheno?

Sorry for all the questions, but I can't find many people that have actually put in the time and work to advance understanding of these things.

Ok, I found the numbers on the Perkins cut, but I'm still curious how hard it was to find that pheno?


Cannatonic - Perkins Cut
17.07% CBD, 0.87% THC, 19.65% Total Cannabinoids
19.6:1 CBD to THC ratio, has tested as high as 38:1 ratio with an early harvest

Sorry about the late reply, i haven't visited this site much lately... Another grower was actually the one who popped the seeds. I am not sure the exact numbers but i believe it was a 10 pack of seeds, a couple did not germinate, a couple were males that (sadly) were killed and of the remaining a couple were nice high THC phenos, one was a decent 1:1 pheno and one was the CBD rich pheno that i obtained. After he passed me the CBD cut he ended up giving up on growing it himself and let the mother die, he claimed to personally have very poor luck with her. At that point i was having great results with the cut and started sharing her freely with anyone who was interested, thats how my name became attached to her. I really can't say for sure if that was a lucky pack of Cannatonic seeds or just average results to be expected...

 

[Gil Tokerson]

Thanks man! So it sounds like you have a pretty good chance of getting at least one high cbd or perhaps 1:1 in a single pack. Note if I could figure out an easy way of testing the canabanoids I would try some out.

 

[PrimalHaze]

I was wanting to try this method out. i'm not sure how effective it would be in detecting cbd in vegetative material though...

How to detect the presence of CBD, for home growers

http://www.madchat.fr/esprit/textur...uana_Chemistry-Michael_Starks_2nd_edition.pdf

Page # 127The Beam Test aka Beam's Test

If you read the section "Colorimetry" in the first paragraph on Page #127 you will see a simplified method for detecting CBD using a spot test called "the Beam test"

The needed reagents are:

5% KOH(Potassium hydroxide) in 95% ethanol
(5g KOH in 100 ml 95% ethanol)

Petroleum ether, Naptha or other organic solvent to remove the cannabinoids from a sample of your choosing.

Place 1-2 grams of your sample flowers in an oven until dry @ 150 degrees Celsius for 5 minutes. Extract in a small glass vessel (shot glass?) for 10 minutes in 10 ml of your Petroleum ether, other organic solvent, naptha, etc.

Filter and remove the leaf material using a coffee filter or similar, catch the liquid extract

Take 1 ml of the extract and dry on a white porcelain dish like an egg cup, saucer, or similar. (Gently heat the dish to evaporate the liquid phase of the extract). You will have a dish with remnants of resin leftover once the liquid has evaporated.

Place 5 drops of your 5% KOH in ethanol solution on your plate, and wait about 10 minutes. You will see a distinct violet/purple/pink color from samples containing CBD which could be Chemotype II or III plants - in the case of CBD Lullaby they will be only Type I and II plants- THC only plants (chemotype i) will not show this colour.

It's a relatively simple test and anyone can do it, you just need to order KOH from Amazon or your local soap making store and pick up a solvent from your local hardware store. The ethanol will probably be the most difficult thing to source, but it is available as "Everclear" or 190 proof ethyl alcohol from your local provincial or state run liquor store, depending on your location.

Hope that comes in handy....
-Chimera

 

[Gil Tokerson]

Sounds kind of like a simplified home tlc test...I guess? I've considered the kits you can order to do home tests, but I have a feeling they're not that accurate. Might be ok just for figuring out which phenos have elevated cbd levels, or even more cbd than thc. But do you have 5%, or 15% cbd? I've considered even mailing samples to a lab in a medical state, but none of them will take samples that way.
For those that are in Colorado: can anyone walk into a lab to have their recreational buds tested? Or will they only test "medical"buds with a valid card?

 

[medicalmj]

For those that are in Colorado: can anyone walk into a lab to have their recreational buds tested? Or will they only test "medical"buds with a valid card?

^This could be a great market for some budding entreprenuer to jump into!

 

[Chunkypigs]

CO just restricted the testing facilities where individual patients can't access them.
lots of patients and caregivers are protesting.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/08/...ients-squeezed-out-of-product-safety-testing/

 

[Gil Tokerson]

I just read that article. How retarded! I don't understand why logic has to be abandoned when ever cannabis is involved?

 

[Hammerhead]

That's messed up. Things states do never makes sense

 

[Chunkypigs]

still CO is the place to be. I don't think cali will be so liberal when they get around to it.

 

[Huel Perkins]

So in CO you can legally smoke it, eat it or put it in your body any way you choose, but you just can't test it first.... lol