The Not So Solventless Clear Concentrate From Harborside!

[Daub Marley]

I guess the Werc Shop is behind the clear. Check out what I found in this article...

There are rumors of an innovative extraction method being tested that does not use chemical solvents. Sytze Elzinga, a knowledge leader on extraction methods from The Werc Shop, explained that the new solventless extraction method “allows for the production of highly purified concentrates.”

Explaining further, Elzinga says: “These methods use sequences of different pressures and temperatures to create a golden resin without the use of chemical solvents.”
http://www.medicaljane.com/2014/04/11/supercritical-carbon-dioxide-co2-extraction-pure-cannabis-oil/

 

[primeform]

Wow I actually read this entire shitty thread and it gave me a headache. I really hope this isn't what you guys have been holding out on.

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The HBC Pure Wax is extracted via a hyperbaric chamber...heres a breakdown

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Enter Hyperbaric Chamber Pure Wax (HBC Pure Wax). A hyperbaric chamber is a device in which the atmospheric pressure can be controlled. Their most common use is to decompress divers coming up from deep dives. They are also used for a variety of oxygen therapies. Conditions like extreme wounds or open sores that won't heal can all be treated in a hyperbaric chamber. Naturally, leave it to an enterprising cannabis scientist/wizard to look at a hyperbaric chamber and think, "I could make hash in one of these." The ingenuity of cannabis people knows no bounds. Much trial and error ensued over a two-year period before the current incarnation of HBC Pure Wax was created. Much of the appeal of concentrates lies in their terpene profile-the elements that make up the particular smell of a cannabis strain. One of the first batches of HBC Pure to come through was tangerine; this beautiful orange wax smelled just like ripe tangerines. The taste was like a burst of fresh citrus in the mouth.

The basic process for making hash with a hyperbaric chamber is this: Ground-up cannabis is placed inside the chamber. Another empty vessel is attached. The temperature in the chamber is lowered to -40 degrees Fahrenheit and the pressure is raised to several atmospheres. The cannabinoids and terpenes are literally pulled, or sucked up, and out of the vegetable material. When it becomes liquid, it is transferred to the second container and the pressure is reversed negative several atmospheres. This causes the liquid to solidify into the aforementioned wax that is HBC Pure Wax. And now, Harborside Health Center is proud to be the only Bay Area outlet for this exciting new product.

 

[primeform]

Also whats up with (FUSE)

focused ultrasound extraction

 

[Daub Marley]

The basic process for making hash with a hyperbaric chamber is this: Ground-up cannabis is placed inside the chamber. Another empty vessel is attached. The temperature in the chamber is lowered to -40 degrees Fahrenheit and the pressure is raised to several atmospheres. The cannabinoids and terpenes are literally pulled, or sucked up, and out of the vegetable material. When it becomes liquid, it is transferred to the second container and the pressure is reversed negative several atmospheres. This causes the liquid to solidify into the aforementioned wax that is HBC Pure Wax.

What??? I think You got that reversed. It's a solid when on the plant material. Cooling it and adding pressure only makes it a harder solid. I think you mean heating and placing under vacuum. Which is vacuum distillation and its nothing new. From what I can gather from this article http://stuffstonerslike.com/2012/10/12/space-bomb-hbc-wax-review/ its just super critical fluid type of extraction with CO2. Maybe with different pressures and temperatures.

Also whats up with (FUSE)

focused ultrasound extraction

What is the ultrasound used for exactly?

 

[primeform]

What??? I think You got that reversed. It's a solid when on the plant material. Cooling it and adding pressure only makes it a harder solid. I think you mean heating and placing under vacuum. Which is vacuum distillation and its nothing new. From what I can gather from this article http://stuffstonerslike.com/2012/10/12/space-bomb-hbc-wax-review/ its just super critical fluid type of extraction with CO2. Maybe with different pressures and temperatures.

What is the ultrasound used for exactly?

That was just an quote from another site i copy and pasted about the HBC.

I found some info on the ultrasound extraction tho.

http://www.separationsnow.com/detai...-Separating-cannabinoids-from-terpenoids.html

Have to pay for this article I guess. Scientists in Spain research articles I guess?

Optimisation and characterisation of marihuana extracts obtained by Supercritical Fluid Extraction and Focused Ultrasound Extraction and retention time locking GC-MS

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jssc.201201103/full

 

[TickleMyBalls]

I'm over here giving the secret about the lobsters they use out and no one is believing me... live lobsters people. that's the trick.

 

[Treetroit City]

Had a few lobsters the other night and the clarified butter was so clear it was amaze.

 

[Chonkski]

This has jumped from so many different methods, it's just plain silly now.

Farmer joe Parker seems to be doing wonderfully with steam distilling absolute, it tests high with 0ppm residuals every time. Plus having the option of terpene enhancement down the line.. My goals are set


Must admit that FUSE seems pretty rad though!

 

[Permacultuure]

Well if it was easy why is the Werc shop so backed up......and why have I heard you can't scale up? If this was as affordable as it seems, even with a neos, why would both Werc shop outfits have multiple "machines" if that's the bottle neck.

G.O. Wuna fly up for some consultation/experimentation ???

 

[Permacultuure]

*wouldnt have multiple machines

 

[primeform]

Maybe we should just post GG#4 pics here too

 

[RegisPhilburn1]

This has jumped from so many different methods, it's just plain silly now.

Farmer joe Parker seems to be doing wonderfully with steam distilling absolute, it tests high with 0ppm residuals every time. Plus having the option of terpene enhancement down the line.. My goals are set


Must admit that FUSE seems pretty rad though!

I'm pretty confident that phate (farmerjoeparker) is having his oil refined by the werc shop and not doing it himself. So is klean extracts. This thread is getting pretty amusing to say the least.

 

[G.O. Joe]

Also whats up with (FUSE)

focused ultrasound extraction

Have to pay for this article I guess.

It's at libgen.org, submit the DOI 10.1002/jssc.201201103. They used a standard benchtop ultrasonic horn in the solvent combination they wanted to use, nothing special. Sonication has been SOP for professional analysis lab extraction of cannabis for a long time.

G.O. Wuna fly up for some consultation/experimentation ???

That's an obvious joke. I'd sooner tour a sewage treatment plant than line up for a gate controlled by federal agents. If I lived in an apartment in a cornfield instead of a mortgaged fixer-upper in a cornfield, me and my equipment would be somewhere in CO since months ago, and right now be providing my pure and mostly pure CBD. and figuring out my HPLC.

That's just an excuse to stay poor, underemployed, and give free obvious advice you don't want, like single solvent dewaxing. The key to conventional distillation was free. Get a Duoseal and plenty of pump oil - you'll figure out everything else, like how much you'd pay for a used kugelrohr.

People on the internet are sometimes misinformed, disinformed, or lie. Particularly when admission of chemical extraction of a controlled substance technically gets you 3-7 years in prison. Public details and exotic machines in action at youtube is the only thing that can counter suspicions.

 

[Chonkski]

I'm pretty confident that phate (farmerjoeparker) is having his oil refined by the werc shop and not doing it himself. So is klean extracts. This thread is getting pretty amusing to say the least.

Damnit, this is crushing.

He made it seem so simple, no wonder he didn't really know some of the answers to my questions.

Although, he's very open about it being steam distilled..

 

[Permacultuure]

Phate does not fractionally distill anything, IMO

GOJ sounds like your questioning my motives.......pure cbd? Can we talk more about that? I'm turning full gardens into capsules, at a lost currently, because people who need cbd need whole plant oral meds. Not dabs or flowers..... Much love

 

[Permacultuure]

Damnit, this is crushing.

He made it seem so simple, no wonder he didn't really know some of the answers to my questions.

Although, he's very open about it being steam distilled..

Steam distilled, fractionally distilled, sounds like the Werc shops typical down play of the process.

 

[Permacultuure]

*loss not lost

 

[Chonkski]

I'm very curious to find out what the guys in my area are using as well. They make 80% and it tasted like a hint of dlimonene and other terps. Same consistency as honey.

I know they are not very wealthy, nor do they seem to have any special resources or ins compared to a normal joe.

So frustrating. I could care less about getting rich off of it. It would just be an accomplishment to achieve such refined meds. I would love to be able to make it for myself, friends and family without having to go broke. Which is what would happen if I were to buy it by the gram because it's so overpriced.

Guess I'll have to step out of the way, let the greedy get rich. And then have my fun with it when this refinement technique is old news.

 

[primeform]

Phate does not fractionally distill anything, IMO

GOJ sounds like your questioning my motives.......pure cbd? Can we talk more about that? I'm turning full gardens into capsules, at a lost currently, because people who need cbd need whole plant oral meds. Not dabs or flowers..... Much love

Why not get the CBDs from hemp like all the ghetto e-juice guys are doing?

 

[primeform]

More tidbits from the Werc Shop about there clean up process.

http://www.medicaljane.com/review/the-clear-by-clear-concentrates/

"We spoke to a representative – we’ll call him Lens for the sake of anonymity – from Clear Concentrates who explained to us that their concentrate is solvent-free because the extraction process only utilizes a combination of heat and pressure. Clear Concentrates claims they do not use solvents such as water/ice, butane, hexane, ethanol, etc. to extract cannabinoids."

"“You will notice that our concentrates look much different than honeycomb, earwax, budder and shatter. This is because THCA is a white crystalline solid in its pure form,“ said Lens.
He explained that the concentrate is actually a runny consistency because of the presence of terpenes. “In its pure form, THC is not an opaque solid. It is actually more of a hard jelly or sap. The presence of terpenes in our formulation brings the consistency to a more liquid state.”