The Not So Solventless Clear Concentrate From Harborside!

[Cartel530]

crazy this thread is still going on.. Its been solved for awhile now in this thread. I've even mentioned the process of using a microwave to them and one said that tinfoil hats are helpful trying to be smart. Then i said no im talking more a long the lines of taking everyones shitty oil and using the NEOS GR to make it in to the clear and charge a shit load for it. his reply was " you forgot the part about we use in house material". Which makes sense cuz if you look at xtracted's instagram he is always posting big ass nice golden muffins and captions it something like before refined or something along those lines.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

People want to think they can make it at home without expensive, hard to aquire equipment.

If you could, don't you think there would be more than 3-4 companies in the world producing it?

 

[Chonkski]

Which one of you guys is dabface? Lol

There is some concentrate guys in my area supplying supposedly the same thing as clear. It tests 80% and is really heady

I wish a rotovap could do that..
I want 80+% from old poop material!

They can't call it clear or even say it's made the same way because the clear trademarked and copyrighted down to the dragonballs.

Envy.


I bet Xtracted is reading this thread laughing.

I want the neossssssss

 

[DeMacho Labs]

Why do ppl think it's the neos? It seems like it's something else. .

 

[Chonkski]

Why do ppl think it's the neos? It seems like it's something else. .

If you are so sure, what does it seem like to you?

 

[DeMacho Labs]

I'm not sure what it is either, I just don't think it's the Neos because a few ppl have clearly stated it wasn't. Those neos machines are hard to acquire as well so I don't see these ppl being able to put down 30k for a neos that easily

 

[Chonkski]

That's exactly why you only see it from very few people.

I would love to find out that it's within a rotovaps capability. Or something else along those lines.

They directly deny over and over, which leads to the huge rumor of disclaiming the neos. Could just be me, but I've been set on believe the in that. The wercshop would be able to attain such

 

[DeMacho Labs]

I asked wercshop about the neos and they didn't even know what it was

 

[Chonkski]

Either way, someone in my area figured it out as well. I thought they were using a rotovap to refine bho until I was urged into thinking that couldn't be the case.

This subject tends to pull me deeper and deeper.

 

[G.O. Joe]

Rotavaps are used for the separation of materials with different volatilities, and that's pretty much it. The more volatile chemical vaporizes and is condensed. THC does not have the volatility to go anywhere in a rotavap.

If the starting material is BHO and free of lipids, there is no need to vaporize the cannabinoids, because they are the least volatile components remaining. Everything else can be distilled in steam conventionally instead, leaving the heavier cannabinoids behind. This will remove all impurities from the butane extraction, and terpenes.

You can evaporate solvents with a rotavap. You can use vacuum and crank up the bath heat to the limit of how cold you can make the condenser. You cannot distill THC with it. You can get a decent preliminary separation of ether from heptane from starting fluid.

The most perfect device for distilling THC from BHO - without separation from the terpenes available - has already been named in my posts and any chemist would know that there's no reason to spend a lot of money on something else unless more capacity is required. Anyone can buy it and you don't have to know jack about chemistry or anything else to operate it. You need dry ice, good vacuum, and power outlets.

But distilling BHO still involves butane, which is not entirely kosher in California. So, you want to use buds directly in something cheap and easily engineered, which benefits instead of suffers from scale, and that's why you just want to build yourself a big vaporizer.

If microwave hydrodiffusion was capable of distilling THC from wet plant material, the terpenes would also be distilled, either with the cannabinoids or condensed separately - they wouldn't be missing. The point of that technology is obtaining the pure essence of the plant material, the most volatile and odorous chemicals, which is precisely not what these things you think people vaporized are.

 

[Chonkski]

So you are saying that it's steam distilled bho still? Simply steam distilling absolute?

My head is spinning in circles.

 

[Chonkski]

Welp. It's time for me to order a still and do some experimenting. Can't seem to get any full on chemists to spell it out GW style, so I'll have to dive in with my substandard knowledge. All I make is absolutes anyways, and all I funk with is outdoor so I have plenty to experiment with.

Any help would be appreciated!

 

[krunchbubble]

Welp. It's time for me to order a still and do some experimenting. Can't seem to get any full on chemists to spell it out GW style, so I'll have to dive in with my substandard knowledge. All I make is absolutes anyways, and all I funk with is outdoor so I have plenty to experiment with.

Any help would be appreciated!

what kind of still? I have several from making moonshine

 

[SoulSynergySoil]

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00635.htm


http://www.pelletlab.com/daadiBpaRiPdb73a/daa8aN2xE7xo14li

Experiment? record data/observations, devise hypotheses/theories, experiment, and so on. 8 )

1ove

 

[flatslabs]

Have access to a 1L vacuum distillation setup and tons of crap winterized black bho to work with, I just want to know if people are using a fractioning column, what are they packing it with. And are they just putting absolute bho in the distilling flask or is it in some ethanol or butane solution. I am willing to experiment, just hate being wasteful.

The only thing missing to make a full drip steam distillation apparatus would be a double neck flask or a claisen adapter, which unfortunately someone dropped last time the setup was used. I could probably steam distill very small amounts by just putting water in the distilling flask, but anything larger is going to need a drip from a sep funnel into the flask.

It has been a while since i have done any chemistry, so any ideas are welcome.

 

[G.O. Joe]

if people are using a fractioning column, what are they packing it with.

Kitchen copper scrubber pads have great HETP. You would have to insulate and heat the entire length of the column.

Welp. It's time for me to order a still

If you are talking about distilling cannabinoids, you are looking at what is known as short path vacuum distillation, a constant bath temp about 220 and vacuum below 1 mm., preferably well below.

 

[flatslabs]

Is a water aspirator going to be able to pull enough vacuum for this application or do I need to rig up a real pump?
Also, should have mentioned the column we have is a vigreux, we always used glass marbles as column material.
I think I would need to get an open column to use copper mesh?

 

[G.O. Joe]

Is a water aspirator going to be able to pull enough vacuum for this application or do I need to rig up a real pump?
Also, should have mentioned the column we have is a vigreux, we always used glass marbles as column material.
I think I would need to get an open column to use copper mesh?

It might be possible with a LN2 trap, but really no, not even close, orders of magnitude less pressure.

At this low pressure, column packing of any kind might do weird things. I don't think marbles would work. Without the marbles, your condenser is good for a 25 degree difference and that would be good enough, if you could manage the external heating required to prevent the distillate from turning to gum on the spot.

A Liebig would be fine. Plain fractionating columns in kits are usually Liebigs with 3-4 little projections on the bottom. I have everything needed to do a demo, except the 125 ml of BHO, so theoretically, I would not fractionate, but just hook up a vacuum adapter between two 19/22 flasks and maintain the mantle temperature and as much vacuum as possible for as long as something was happening.

 

[Cartel530]

Well for one they didnt deny it when it was presented and sure it may not be the exact NEOS machine as there are a few different manufactures. 2nd it is also edible which tells us that its decarboxylated which comes from i believe 250F+ degrees. so we know there is exposure to high heat.

Terps are vaporized from the temperatures so that is why they aren't present. What did you think happened to them? They just survive the extreme heat? I think a few of you need to go read Vogul's organic chemistry book to understand simple procedures and techniques as this is not something you guys can even begin to comprehend... Like its been said if it was that easy everyone would be doing it.

Also when you are distilling espically something that as such a high difference in boiling point temperatures its as simple as heating the compound under vaccum to the point where only the butane comes across to the receiving flask and when you pull no more you turn it up a few more degrees untill you are sure no more of your target compound is coming across. Add a new receiving flask increase your temp and pull your desired compound. Fractional Distillation is usually used when trying to pull stuff way closer in boiling temps by adding something like broken glass in the column to disrupt the vapor and let the lower BP compound come a little easier without contamination .

They then process this refined material into the clear.

 

[Chonkski]

Perhaps @phate would come and help us out.

He started steam distilling absolute to achieve solvent free.

I would love to start doing this myself, all I have is outdoor winterized material. It still comes out beautiful. But I would love to hit 80% and up. We need to figure this out together!

Sometimes I hate how competitive this market is