Treating Cancer with Cannabis - patient is 7 year old Boxer Dog

[Chenske]

Yes it is osteosarcoma..
We will be getting some tomorrow I believe, I'm waiting on my mother and sister to give their input on if we should try and save his arm, or just get it removed.

I know three legged dogs can live happy and normal lives.
I'll try and keep everyone updated if they are interested, I think it is important that people share the results of using oils to treat cancer in dogs, because almost half of dogs do get it. The more people know of it's success and how it can help the more people will do it.

I'm proud that this is route we are taking instead of kemo therapy, which is horrible for any creature.
Thank you Weezard.

 

[Chenske]

Well, if I recall when I was browsing on another forum I saw you at Weezard.

Someone asked, I don't know if you remember because it was on page one. But they asked how much would they give their Five pound pomeranian. Which the replyer said about 8-10mgs.

My dog is about 70 pounds, if anyone could give some incite it would be nice. I'm not quite sure how to figure it.

 

[Weezard]

A 70 pound dog can handle about half what a 140 pound person can.
But exact dosage will vary from one dog to another, just like people.
So the dog, is a variable, the potency and the concentration of the oil is a variable.
Even the dog's diet will affect tolerance.

So, what we have to do to find the right dosage for your dog, is sneak up on it.

Start with a single drop.

Take him out, play with him, and observe his behavior.
No one knows your dog better than you.
Up the dosage until you can see that he is getting, well, stoned.

Hold that dosage for a couple days then increase it by 10% or so.
When he takes that in stride, up it again.
You should be able to get >1/2gram per day into him after a few weeks of ramping up.
Best to give it in 3 divided doses per day.
The aim, is to get as much oil as he can tolerate into him and keep the cannabinoid level in his bloodstream as high as you can get it until the tumor shrinks.

It's a gamble, and not an inexpensive one.
The good news is, it can, and does work.
And it will do him no harm.
Now I'm off to hug my pups and smoke a bowl to their good health.

Aloha,
Weeze

 

[mack 10]

great post Weezard!

 

[OGEvilgenius]

My dog had osteogenic sarcoma. We had her leg completely ressected as the damage was very severe (and it was really fast growing and aggressive). I lived in a remote area and to get it fixed would have been way beyond my means and might have been counterproductive as well.

There are a lot of lines of dogs that carry the genes for osteogenic sarcoma unfortunately. Try to encourage better breeding practices to try to help fix this which is mostly from inbreeding.

I treated it with some incredibly good purple kush after it spread to her lungs. She's still with us 6 years later and no longer being treated. I dosed her for a few months. I probably over did it at first but she didn't seem to mind that much and happily lapped up the butter I made for her after.

I'd definitely get something to help the dog move after the operation. My only regret is that I did not because she moved pretty well, but now as she is getting older she is quite arthritic. I am looking into it now and will be growing out some high cbd to help with her aches and pains. She lost a front leg and was a large breed dog.

 

[azad]

Black seed (nigella sativa) oil is worth looking for into.
all smokers should use it daily.

 

[crash666]

Hi everyone. Our German Shepherd lost his battle with Oral Squamous Cell Carcinoma yesterday. We were told he had 4 months at best back in November. He made it 10 months and was happy and comfortable until the last 2 days. The cannabis oil kept him going strong, eating and happy throughout the whole ordeal. When diagnosed, the options we were given were a low dose chemo tablet daily or radiation therapy. We went with cannabis oil and never looked back. I would recommend cannabis oil to anyone who's considering it for a sick animal or person.

 

[jim smoke]

Good luck with everything man!

 

[Weezard]

 

[Sunshinemom]

Treating my dog with can.oil, looking for some input

Treating my dog with can.oil, looking for some input

Hello everybody,

I'll try to be as brief as possible

HISTORY:
My dog Sunshine is 11.5 years old. A few months ago she was diagnosed with papillary cystadenocarcinoma,

It is important to note that I didn't spay Sunshine until very late. She had several false pregnancies and even lactated (it was very weird )
At a certain point she had an inflammation of the uterus and we sterilized her.
Of course I should've done it before ... I just don't like cutting up my dog...

The hormones have done some damage and a few years later she developed a big lump on her right udder. She had a surgery, it was taken out, and the biopsy showed that it was not malignant . We were very happy. Unfortunately, soon, a second lump appeared, and it grew very fast. After Sunshine started obsessively licking it, I was sure that it is cancer, and unfortunately I was right...

The surgery resulted in a 10 by 15 cm tumor (typical human ovarian cancer).
Below is are the results:
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Sample submitted:
Histology (601). Skin section measuring 7 x 5 cm 2 cm from the margin there is a nipple measuring 0.6 cm. On section in the subcutaneous tissue there is a cystic mass containing abundant fluid, the tissue is lobular, white and gray measuring 6 cm in total. The cystic area is underneath the nipple with margins that Creech the nipple.

History:
Mammary mass from the right aspect

Description:
Several sections from the mammary mass were examined. Within the nipple there is dilation of the duct with formation of intraductal papillary projections and there is formation of several follicular cysts. Beneath the nipple there are numerous dilated ducts, all containing many papillary projections lined by cuboidal to columnar epithelial cells. There is no clear circumscription and the edge of the tumor is the edge of the surgical margin.

Diagnosis:
Papillary cystadenocarcinoma

Comments:
The concern in this case is the multicentricity of the tumor, present in many dilated ducts. Completeness of excision cannot be confirmed, and it seems at least narrow, as the border of the tumor is the border of at least one of the surgical margins. Multicentricity generally suggests that similar microscopic foci are present in remaining glandular tissue and new similar masses will form again. Periodical monitoring of the area and early excision in case of new tumor presentation is the treatment of choice.
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So, the tumor was out, but some of it is still in.
We went to do a CT - to check whether there is more metastatic activity in the lungs or the lymph nodes. THERE ARE NONE!!! Thank God!

However, the oncologist was very clear: we should do another surgery and cut everything else out - massive mastectomy of the right side. Then - chemotherapy. And maybe she will live for 2 more years...
The oncologist said that there is a 90% chance of the cancer coming back anyway, whether we do something or not.

It is important to note that Sunshine is a healthy and happy dog, she always has a VERY good appetite. She jumps and plays, and everything else that is a complete opposite of a sick dog. The surgeries did not affect her She had a fight with the family cat the next day, with the stitches and bandages
In addition, the breed supposedly lives until 18-22 years. Strong dogs

So, going back to the "optimistic" verdict and making a long story short...
I decided to treat Sunshine with cannabis oil, because I think that chemo will make her suffer, and probably won't help that much anyway...

I've done A LOT of homework and got 20 syringes with high cbd can.oil (I do not know the exact quantities of cbd and thc in the oil). I also got some can. drops high with thc.
In addition, I went to a canine nutritionist that developed a menu for an old dog with cancer (I'll gladly share if anyone is interested).
The dog weights 44 pounds. (20 kg)

Two weeks after the tumor was out I started rubbing the oil on the stitched scar (that was huge). I also started to give her thc drops -
20 minutes before feeding - 1 drop - 3 times a day.
Later on it was 2 drops - 3 times a day. And then 3 drops - 3 times a day.
She was high as a kite... it was both funny and sad.
She threw up once and was all wiggly
I stopped giving her the drops and stopped rubbing the oil on the scar after about 3 weeks.

CURRENT TREATMENT:
Now, and for the last month or so, I've been giving her the cannabis oil from the syringes. A drop the size of less than a grain of rice - 2-3 times in 24 hours, 20 minutes before feeding.
I tried to increase the size of the drop a bit - she got completely stoned - it was scary

QUESTIONS:
The effect of the oil causes Sunshine to shake a lot and too much. She never does that, unless I give her the oil. And she looks very miserable in the process. Am I giving her too much?
I was supposed to increase the dosage - but I cannot -whenever I try - the result is a lot of shaking and visible loss of appetite. (She NEVER loses her appetite, and now I have to beg her to eat something!)

I tried to stop the oil for 1 day - just to see if that's the oil - she was completely back to normal, jumping and playing and everything else.

Will her body get used to this? Am I damaging her?

Thank you in advance

Sunshine's mommy

 

[Weezard]

From the symptoms, it sounds like those syringes are high THC, low CBD.

You could add some high CBD oil to temper the effects of the THC.
The added CBD should stop the shaking and return her appetite.

But, if it were me, I'd cut the syringe oil dosage down until the shaking stops first.
Once Sunshine has had a full course of treatment, I'd go to maintenance dosage.
That will be less than a tenth of what she gets now.
Then mix in a maintenance dose of the high CBD oil as well.

If the syringe oil is free of contaminants, (solvents, pesticides, etc), she should have built quite a tolerance by now.
For a dog of that size, a rice grain's worth should not be the saturation point.
So, I'm thinking that her reaction might not be to the THC.
Is there some way you could have a sample tested?
What does it smell like?
Have you taste tested it yourself?

And no worry. The THC would not harm her if she drank a pint of it.

But, things like Azamax residue will cause tremors in humans.
And un-purged solvents can cause liver and nerve damage depending on which solvent was used of course.
So, just for your peace of mind, I highly recommend that you send a sample to a testing lab.

Aloha,
Weezard.

Disclaimer:
I'm not a doctor.
I am not qualified to give medical advice.
Continue to do your own research.

But I am fully qualified to give a "rat's ass" in the form of "what I would do in dem shoe".

 

[OGEvilgenius]

It would be very good to know the source of the oil. Can you absolutely verify there is significant CBD? A grain of rice for something very potent is actually not insignificant - especially for a 40lb dog. I'd back off on the dose for the time being but continue to dose. Rubbing topically has been shown anecdotally to have effect and you should do that as much as is reasonable for your budget and the dogs reaction (lick lick time?).

 

[Sunshinemom]

About the oil

About the oil

First of all:
THANK YOU Weeezard and OGEvilgenius for your prompt responses!

The can.oil that I've been giving Sunshine comes from a completely legit source that supplies it to seriously ill human patients under the supervision of the Ministry of Health.
It is the best I could get in the whole country; pharmacy quality. Lots of money and lots of connections were involved...
This is my baby we're talking about, I would never feed her something even remotely shady.
I called the supplier - he said that the oil contains:
thc - about 56%, cbd - about 44%
It smells and tastes exactly as it should

He agrees that the shaking could come from thc overdose...
I'll try to cut the dose even more...

QUESTIONS:
How much oil should I give her in general?
I understand that a grown human should consume about 60 grams of it during the entire treatment...
Does it mean that Sunshine should consume about 20 grams during 2-3 months?

Should try it by myself?
If so, how much should I consume?
What should I expect in order to understand the oil's quality?
How do I know whether it contains something sinister, besides testing?
Can I feel it by myself?

OGEvilgenius - do you think I should go back to rubbing her scar topically?
She never licks it... And the scar had almost disappeared - there is just fur there...

 

[OttawaGreen]

Wow that is cool. I miss my dog...

 

[Weezard]

"QUESTIONS:
How much oil should I give her in general?
I understand that a grown human should consume about 60 grams of it during the entire treatment...
Does it mean that Sunshine should consume about 20 grams during 2-3 months?

Should try it by myself?
If so, how much should I consume?
What should I expect in order to understand the oil's quality?
How do I know whether it contains something sinister, besides testing?
Can I feel it by myself?"

How much total? Hard to say.
There are several variables at play.
Individual response covers a wide range here.
I have ingested >120g. to date without clear remission.
Progress has slowed considerably but has not ceased.
Others claim complete remission with <60g.

To have some idea of what your dog is feeling here, yes, you should be her crash test dummy.
Take the same amount that she just tolerates.
If you go to "panicland" from that, cut her dosage in half, yah?
Scratch that! You would probably not enjoy panicland.

Start with about a third of what you give Sunshine
If you feel nothing after 2 hours, wait a day, then try half as much as she's been getting.

When I was making oil for a patient, I personally tasted each batch because I have no access to a lab.
Bio-assay isn't science, but it beats nothing at all.
You are looking for off tastes, and strength and character of the "side effects".
With naptha, or iso extractions, I wait for a belch.
If there's any residual solvent it's an unmistakeable taste/smell.

Can't advise on pesticides.
Other than "Don't use them ", yah?

Aloha,
Wee

 

[Sunshinemom]

I lowered the dose

I lowered the dose

I lowered the dose (the drop is smaller now) - Sunshine looks great, obviously.

So, I'm back to square one - a small dose is fine, but if I'll try to increase it again - she'll probably shake like a leaf
The whole ordeal started when I tried to gradually increase the daily dosage...

Weezard: I'll gladly be her crash test dummy!!!
Thank you for the idea!

I didn't notice any weird belches with her
But I don't think a drop a size of a grain will affect me maybe a blueberry

120 g is a lot, but then again, you weigh more than Sunshine
People claim many things, I think its individual...
My biggest problem is that there is so little research on cannabis treatment of canine cancer. My vet is aware of the whole process, yet he is extremely skeptical.
This forum is one of the rare sources of information on this subject...

The idea of lab testing keeps popping in my mind...

 

[Focus35]

I'm new here and have a question. I have some RSO obtained from a MMJ dispensery that I've been using to prevent a reoccurrence of ovarian cancer in myself. I have a 45 lb. border collie who has a mast cell growth on her nose. I'd like to try giving her some of my RSO. I find any amount greater than a rice grain sized dab of this particular oil gets me (I weigh 120 lbs.) really stoned so she is going to need a lot less. Is there some way to thin down the RSO to make it diluted so it would be easier to accurately dose her? I tried adding both Vegetable Glycerin and Everclear on separate occasions and neither will mix in with it no matter how much I stir or add heat. The RSO just stays as a tarry mass floating in the added substance. Does anyone have any ideas that might help?

 

[trinity21]

Focus35 you can use pure coconut oil. There is a facebook group for canine cancer using canbabis. Loads of information there.

 

[Focus35]

Thanks trinity21. The coconut oil worked.

 

[VicsOlLady]

Using Cannabis Oil (THC) to treat cancer (Mast Cell Tumor) in a 7 year old Boxer. The tumor is nearly completely gone after 30 days of topical application. Owners report that as of the last few days they have started to see positive changes in his demeanor and alertness. He's started eating normal amounts of food again over the past couple days and has not vomited since Dec 3rd. Oral doses started on Nov 28th, topical application began on Nov 10th.

Pics are courtesy of my good friend Dr Bob Melamede.

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Hi, I want to say Congrats on what looks like the recovery of Mast Cell Tumor Cancer in your Boxer. I am fighting the same current battle with my 11 year old Chow Mix named Brutus. He was diagnosed on October 10, 2014, and he is still fighting. I would like to thank you for sharing your experience with your Boxer and treatment. I will be beginning the same regimen this evening. I also wanted you to know that the pictures that you posted in the article are not able to be viewed. Due to my dog current condition although, I will be beginning the topical treatment as well as adding it into his food. I was just wondering how much of a dosage did you give to him, and when was he diagnosed? Thanks again for sharing and giving me hope in this painful battle.