The Not So Solventless Clear Concentrate From Harborside!

[Sirdabsalot46n2]

Lol^
Summer-izing !!


Can I just have a little clue to what the opposite of Winterizing is?
So the oil was an Absolute?

Meh .. nevermind... I really don't want to know.

Happy dabbing everybody.!!

 

[Daub Marley]

ok so real thc extracted from cannabis?

what about the terps? are they synthetic?

I believe that it's most likely a mix, but nobody has gotten a straight answer. The specific brand they use is called Cannaroma and is made by the Werc shop out of L.A. Contact them for details.

No one would produce synthetic terps. Is expensive to synthesize stuff. Much easier to extract it from plants. You can Google it. Most likely it's not being extracted from cannabis plants but from other plants that are cheaper and more legal to grow. Terpenes are not unique to cannabis.

Scientists are taking over! Expect us.

<3
RHH.

Thats just incorrect. Take a look at the price of natural vanilla compared to it's synthetically made counterpart called "artificial". Synthetic while not always less expensive is usually more controllable and scalable.

They are extracted, but not from cannabis. Food grade terpenes, I posted in this thread earlier.

It is simply not economical to reproduce the exact terpene profile of cannabis with 100% natural terpenes from other plants. Cannabis has hundreds of different terpenes that affect the smell even in minute amounts. It is possible that not all play a major role in affecting the smell, taste, or high, so lets say 7 or less play a major role in its smell. You would still have to source 7 terpenes from different plants which is uneconomical and wasteful because you could get maybe one or two, from one plant source, and another one or two from another source and so on until you have a similar profile. You will lose all your undertones and smaller scent characteristics though. The only way to guarantee it to smell like cannabis and be 100% natural is if it comes from cannabis. That's not crazy though because it can be a hemp byproduct if bred into it correctly. The science is in it's infancy in understanding the mechanisms of smell. I don't care that much that it is synthetic, but lets not be mislead again.

 

[Sirdabsalot46n2]

What up Daub!!

Welcome to the ICMAG concentrate forum..
Good , knowledgeable folks here without the GIANT egos of other forums..

Pretty sure you know the one(s) I'm speaking of.

Anyway.. This forum is the Bees Knees.
Welcome!

 

[Abja Roots]

Upon first hearing about the re-adding of terpenes from alternative lab extracted sources, my first thought was whether or not they were safe to smoke. I'm not sure what the difference is if any, but just because something is safe to ingest(like food coloring), doesn't necessarily mean it's safe to smoke. If anyone could chime in on that, I'd appreciate it.

I like to see that things are being continually pushed forward. I still have to ask. If something has an OG profile(determined by a lab), but is not made from anything resembling OG. Does it deserve to be called an OG. It seems to me that it's a knock off at best and that should be noted when sold to consumers.

I know that wineries can and have been determining the profile of popular wines from the past years and then adding certain components to the profile of their current batch to get them closer to what consumers/critics found desirable. So this is not an unheard of practice.

 

[Daub Marley]

What up Daub!!

Welcome to the ICMAG concentrate forum..
Good , knowledgeable folks here without the GIANT egos of other forums..

Pretty sure you know the one(s) I'm speaking of.

Anyway.. This forum is the Bees Knees.
Welcome!

Lol yes I do. Thx brother.

Wtf? This industry is full of fuct off entrepreneurs, that simply want..

to get fucking rich
Nobody gives a fuck about medicine anymore...

That's the American dream right? The cannabis subculture is intertwined with hippie values which view capitalism in any regard as repugnant. It's not so bad as long as their honest and upfront. From what I gather the terpenes were supposed to make the medicinal effects more reliable because the terpenes are the main factor in changing the medicinal effects. So it was developed with good intentions, but was not labeled and was kept secret by the guys behind "the clear". Terrible decision IMO.

Upon first hearing about the re-adding of terpenes from alternative lab extracted sources, my first thought was whether or not they were safe to smoke. I'm not sure what the difference is if any, but just because something is safe to ingest(like food coloring), doesn't necessarily mean it's safe to smoke. If anyone could chime in on that, I'd appreciate it.

Jeff Raber put out a report on the contaminants in smoked marijuana about a few months ago. He's talks in it about how different the pathways are and knows his stuff. He's the man behind the pure terpenes these guys are using. So he knows the difference, but to verify it being safe you would have to get it analyzed by a different lab. I would trust that he would not knowingly put peoples health at risk.

If something has an OG profile(determined by a lab), but is not made from anything resembling OG. Does it deserve to be called an OG.

As long as it comes from the same genetics you can call it an OG. Names are just branding though, so you can actually pick up any strain and call it OG if it looks and smells like OG. The problems arise when you call stuff a certain strain name and it doesn't conform to the characteristics of that branded strain. I'm a purest though and I eliminate lesser known strain names and lump them into better known ones that it's most similar to. Other people love to make new names and they confuse all of us in the process.

 

[surfguitar]

My concern would be terpenes that are any less than 99.99% pure. Who knows what you could be smoking otherwise

 

[purple_man]

rofl³

so obviously these fools are making crude iso/ethanol oil with LONG soaks, filter that, and refilter through activated charcoal (same shit done to premium brand vodkas), and then mix that with 90% of terpenes (most likely sourced as cheap as possible -> who knows what other impurities it holds, if even extracted from fruits/flowers/...) and call that "solventless/free" DANG!

i guess the dispenseries in the legal n medical states must be feeling like stealing candy of off kids

blessss
ps.: "go get the $ shorty!" @ the weird ponnytail whiney bitch poser from the show x)

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Purple man you are so wrong it's not even funny.

 

[Drue Bleam]

It is simply not economical to reproduce the exact terpene profile of cannabis with 100% natural terpenes from other plants. Cannabis has hundreds of different terpenes that affect the smell even in minute amounts. It is possible that not all play a major role in affecting the smell, taste, or high, so lets say 7 or less play a major role in its smell. You would still have to source 7 terpenes from different plants which is uneconomical and wasteful because you could get maybe one or two, from one plant source, and another one or two from another source and so on until you have a similar profile. You will lose all your undertones and smaller scent characteristics though. The only way to guarantee it to smell like cannabis and be 100% natural is if it comes from cannabis. That's not crazy though because it can be a hemp byproduct if bred into it correctly. The science is in it's infancy in understanding the mechanisms of smell. I don't care that much that it is synthetic, but lets not be mislead again.

That was a whole bunch of blathering... Not economical compared to extracting them directly from Cannabis? Who is talking about making an 'exact' terpene profile even? I don't think it's possible, what they are doing is mimicking from what I've gathered. You are making some interesting claims... Lets say seven or less terpenes play a major roll? You are making an assumption. Also, the 'only way' to make something smell like cannabis is if it's terpenes are extracted from cannabis? Another assumption. The only way for it to be natural is if the terpenes are extracted from cannabis/hemp? Wtf are you talking about...? Hemp byproduct if bred correctly? As in using a strain like Jack Herer's hemp fibers to extract essential oils to be used as added terpenes of Jack Herer concentrate? Understanding the mechanisms of smell is not in it's infancy either, even as it's applied to cannabis.

The cannabis subculture is intertwined with hippie values which view capitalism in any regard as repugnant.
That's a very broad generalization.
As long as it comes from the same genetics you can call it an OG. Names are just branding though, so you can actually pick up any strain and call it OG if it looks and smells like OG. The problems arise when you call stuff a certain strain name and it doesn't conform to the characteristics of that branded strain. I'm a purest though and I eliminate lesser known strain names and lump them into better known ones that it's most similar to. Other people love to make new names and they confuse all of us in the process.

Am I missing something here? You don't rename to confuse people? You rename to lump them together? Like mixed bags or like calling a Afghani that smells kind of like Bubba Kush... Bubba Kush?

 

[Gray Wolf]

It will be interesting to see where this rabbit hole leads, but it isn't as cut and dried as at least I started out thinking.

The exact same "terpene" from two different spices, will often have two different smells and tastes, because of "other" aromatics that are included. Stewart noted that they had identified over 150 components of orange oil, and there were many times that yet to go.

Once we step into the realm of aromatic alkenes, the possibilities are in the millions, if not billions.

The precise same molecule in right and left hand configuration can be as different as Spearmint and Dill, which is what makes synthetic reproduction more difficult.

As far as terpene profiles for different strains, I would encourage those interested to follow the works of Dr. Justin Fischedick, whom is doing his post doctorial work on cannabis terpene profiles at the U of W. We got him for a speaker and he blew away a sold out house on the subject.

A good resource for those of ya'll looking to produce a custom flavor and smell, the Lebermuth Co, is one of the largest distributors of plant essential oils in the world, and has labs equipped with all the expensive GC/HPLC/MS bells and whistles, to custom develop you any profile that your heart desires.

They also supply essential oils for everything from flavoring to removing paint and metal corrosion, and Rob the second generation president, is extremely knowledgeable if you can catch him standing sill long enough to talk to him.

They are also the source of many of the terpenes that folks are adding to extractions.

 

[cyphaman]

Bret Maverick had a neat theory, which after some thought made perfect sense to my silly little brain.

The Clear uses butane to extract their oil, then use Vacuum Distillation to heat the oil to a vapor at the lowest possible temperature (thanks to ultimate vacuum, likely higher than anything we are used to...) thus distilling the components they are after, and I think they could use fractional columns to separate any colored vapors from clear vapors (why there stuff is usually the same colors likely due to the synthetic terps added afterwards).

Maybe someone else can weigh in on this to see if its correct. By this theory they would be left with fully activated oil, which has no terps or color and then they obviously have a means of combining the synthetic terpenes for smell, taste and color?

I'm sure it won't be long before BM or GrayWolf or others put it to the test...or prove me to be completely misinformed. Ha

 

[Drue Bleam]

It will be interesting to see where this rabbit hole leads, but it isn't as cut and dried as at least I started out thinking.

The exact same "terpene" from two different spices, will often have two different smells and tastes, because of "other" aromatics that are included. Stewart noted that they had identified over 150 components of orange oil, and there were many times that yet to go.

Once we step into the realm of aromatic alkenes, the possibilities are in the millions, if not billions.

The precise same molecule in right and left hand configuration can be as different as Spearmint and Dill, which is what makes synthetic reproduction more difficult.

As far as terpene profiles for different strains, I would encourage those interested to follow the works of Dr. Justin Fischedick, whom is doing his post doctorial work on cannabis terpene profiles at the U of W. We got him for a speaker and he blew away a sold out house on the subject.

A good resource for those of ya'll looking to produce a custom flavor and smell, the Lebermuth Co, is one of the largest distributors of plant essential oils in the world, and has labs equipped with all the expensive GC/HPLC/MS bells and whistles, to custom develop you any profile that your heart desires.

They also supply essential oils for everything from flavoring to removing paint and metal corrosion, and Rob the second generation president, is extremely knowledgeable if you can catch him standing sill long enough to talk to him.

They are also the source of many of the terpenes that folks are adding to extractions.

Gray Wolf, glad to hear your input.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

I will say this again. I posted a single picture of the machine they use for this process. It is a single machine and it is not nearly as complicated as all of these multiple step processes. Get out of your brain for a minute and search the interwebs for this contraption. I promise it's there. Put all the pieces together. Everyone here knows where the terps come from. What if more than just the terps happen because of them? Think people. Think.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Also, remember who the competing products are produced by. You can find the common thread of how they have access to the technology.

 

[GrassMan]

The exact same "terpene" from two different spices, will often have two different smells and tastes, because of "other" aromatics that are included. Stewart noted that they had identified over 150 components of orange oil, and there were many times that yet to go.
Once we step into the realm of aromatic alkenes, the possibilities are in the millions, if not billions.
The precise same molecule in right and left hand configuration can be as different as Spearmint and Dill, which is what makes synthetic reproduction more difficult.

Hi,
That is not exactely like that. There is a difference between essencial oil and terpene.
Essencial oil refers to the extraction of different compounds from a plant. Those compounds are mix of terpenes, waxes…
If we isolate the terpene limonene from orange essential oil and from cannabis plant, both will smell exactely the same. Same with myrcene, pinene, linalool…
All the terpenes have a CAS number as have all mollecules to identify them:
Myrcene: CAS Number 123-35-3 Linear Formula H2C=CHC(=CH2)CH2CH2CH=C(CH3)2
α-Pinene: CAS Number 7785-70-8 Empirical Formula (Hill Notation) C10H16
β-Pinene: CAS Number 18172-67-3 Empirical Formula (Hill Notation) C10H16
…
High purity indivial terpene can be purchased as well as standard reference material for terpene quantification.

Peace.

 

[jump117]

Lol^
Summer-izing !!


Can I just have a little clue to what the opposite of Winterizing is?

Maybe they remelted ice-hash?

 

[cyphaman]

I will say this again. I posted a single picture of the machine they use for this process. It is a single machine and it is not nearly as complicated as all of these multiple step processes. Get out of your brain for a minute and search the interwebs for this contraption. I promise it's there. Put all the pieces together. Everyone here knows where the terps come from. What if more than just the terps happen because of them? Think people. Think.

So it's all synthetic?

Basically they are gathering up marinol, in combination with other terpenes to try and recreate strains based on cannabinoid and terpene profiles?

 

[cyphaman]

or should I say they create the synthetics themselves, via a process called isomerization? Im over it..

 

[cyphaman]

Here it is...
http://edenlabs.com/processes/coldfinger-extraction

I knew my original guess was close.

 

[yortbogey]

both of the offended/ offending members { DM and DB }.... need to leave it alone, and just walk away.... no pissing contest please...