pot hits it's potency ceiling, so where to now?!

[red rider]

I get low potency weed here that is very good, yes you have to smoke a bit more of it to get really high but the taste and effect make it worth it. I also get super potent hybrid weed here that gets you baked with one or two hits. The high from both for me is good, however I prefer the low potency bud when I can smoke freely without worry from smell. For me its much more about quality than quantity in the effect, I think weed is about as potent as I could want it.
red rider

 

[vostok]

.....and years from now, I'll invite you through to my den, and on a table in there you will see a steamy fish tank and inside a huge green slime, that was years ago my favorite plant, ...but now I'll just scratch, some slime from the glass interior and drop to my pipe ..and we blaze on this 66% pure thc

 

[MJBadger]

There is no need of more powerfull THC so whats the point in trying to go higher . We can all get happy on what we have thats why most of us are on these threads & coz we love it .

 

[mexcurandero420]

Cannabis and Cannabis Extracts: Greater Than the Sum of Their Parts?

Keep on growing

 

[Ronni]

60+ cannabinoids. i think/know breeders/people will recognize that it's not all about THC.

 

[foursquare]

yea id love to see the test, i hear so many people spout of the 30+ strain, personally i dont believe it i think 28% is as high as ive ever seen give or take a little bit. But nothing 30+ at least not that anyone has been able to show proof of. Also ive heard that as these thc labs dial in the gas spectromoter things and whatever else they use to fig out thc and cannabanoids, there consistently testing lower, and i think some of these 30+ strains could be user error when it comes to the tests. Maybe some freak plant, but until i see more than one test and more than one person grow "specific said 30+ strain" and have it come back at 30+ i do not belive that flowers can physically produce more THC. At some point resin production and trichomes production would negatively affect the plant blocking proper transpiration and whatever other functions that would suffer from that much glue.

 

[30years]

from my perspective you have to look at highest total cannabinoid profile possible in breeding modern strains. with the advent of extraction the ability to mine whats desired out of the plant is a major point. more product needed to get an equal rate of return on the extraction is impossible to maintain long term. i want a plant saturated to the limit. what the limit is no one knows yet. total, not just thc.

 

[billyblog]

are u sure you want it stronger than the strongest is already?
why??
its potent enough,
try another drug if pot isnt doing it for you ...

have you had the most potent ??
i dont think youd be worried about it being more potent if you had..

I'm all ok with the potency of today's pot, however, I am concerned where the trends in breeding are heading.

Is the fad for new flavours going to continue dominating the future as it has done for years?

What other objectives are current breeders working toward? For example: is anyone attempting to create a strain that's outstandingly mould resistant for wet conditions, or a strain that's outstandingly pest resistant, or that powers on low level ferts???

My concern about the trend to breed innumerable new hybrids within a narrow range of directions is that we could neglect and ultimately lose our pure genetic lines that carry distinctively unique survival traits. If we lose any of those old strains, we're losing the genetic baselines that we've had to work with in the first place.




billy

 

[Garhart]

I disagree with the very first post. I do not think we have hit a top. I think it gets much better, and yet I love it right here !
IF I could give a gift to the future, I would love for them to be able to have just what we do right now.
Not one thing more, nor one less. Real concerned about what the corporate assholes have been up to of late with respect to this. I genuinely fear what I expect they will attempt, it is after all,what they do .

 

[Spider Crab]

I really can't believe how so many of the plants i have grown from seeds i have bought smell like familiar candy or fruit, rather than just random unusual smells.

I sometimes smell one and it is exactly like a certain candy i once had, and the next one will smell like a different candy, it amazes me.

 

[non]

there could be a small chance of finding a rare mutant plant which produces super potent thc-analog..just a guess. im more than fine with today's and yesterday's potency but some always seek the next level, nothing wrong with that.

 

[sprinkl]

Hybridizing strains has pretty much hit its ceiling. It won't do much anymore, recessive genetics that make certain elites special get lost in the process. It's time to stabilize those elite hybrids for a few generations before crossing them again. That way you can get stable seed strains, so you don't have to pop 20 seeds to find one really good plant. eg highly bred vegetable strains, very uniform results, cloning is no longer needed. Those strains will make true F1 hybrids with other strains with predictable, stable outcome and possibly higher quality once again.

Other than that, breeding old landrace stock to preserve the genetics, and making F1 hybrids and polyhybrids like ACE, Cannabiogen, USC and some others are doing in a heroic fashion.
It's time to find the new Skunk#1 and Haze, and kush for that matter, I'm pretty sure it's been found already. A whole new world of polyhybrids, highs, tastes and smells is out there for us to explore...

Also as the world loosens up on MJ prohibition, outdoor growing will become more and more important. Much breeding opportunity still left in this department. What HFH is doing with their early, northern approved genetics, a lot of seedbanks are betting big on auto and super auto strains, we can still diversify a lot more for specific outdoor/greenhouse growing eg. colder/warmer climates, latitude, humidity, bugs and mold resistance. To me stable and reliable seed strains are especially important for outdoor growing. 99% pure sativa strains finishing by the end of summer because of some well bred ruderalis genetics is a reality, some people are on the right track but most auto breeders are going the multipolyhybrid route sadly instead of sticking to one proven strain...

 

[Mustafunk]

Who cares about bland potency or 30% TCH... it should be about bringing something new to the table in terms of enjoyable high and other qualities, only brand new genetics and real breeders working with a new landrace palette and great talent for selection could help with that! Otherwise it will be the same old thing.

 

[Siever]

Humans have been cultivating cannabis since before Egyptian pharaohs were around... What we have now is the product of thousands of years of selective breeding.

I've seen total cannabinoid percentages as high as 28%. Its not going to get much higher than that. The trichomes have to grow on something.

The 28% means that 28% what's inside the trichome is THC.
It doesn't mean that 28% of the volume is THC. It's possible to have lot's of trichomes with a low THC content.

Siever

 

[bobblehead]

The 28% means that 28% what's inside the trichome is THC.
It doesn't mean that 28% of the volume is THC. It's possible to have lot's of trichomes with a low THC content.

Siever

I've had a lot of samples tested through iron labs llc as well as cannalytics. Considering they give a plant material sample size in grams, I'm pretty sure they give total cannabinoids by weight. Smoking my 25% total cannabinoids buds has a much stronger effect on me than something that tested at 10-15%...

If the test was the percentage of thca in the trichomes, they would have to first extract the trichomes, get a weight for just trichs, and then submit that for testing. That's called hash, and I've had hash tested as well.

 

[Siever]

I've had a lot of samples tested through iron labs llc as well as cannalytics. Considering they give a plant material sample size in grams, I'm pretty sure they give total cannabinoids by weight. Smoking my 25% total cannabinoids buds has a much stronger effect on me than something that tested at 10-15%...

If the test was the percentage of thca in the trichomes, they would have to first extract the trichomes, get a weight for just trichs, and then submit that for testing. That's called hash, and I've had hash tested as well.

sorry for the misinformation!!
I wrote it because I've heard and read it a lot of times so I assumed it was true.

Siever

 

[billyblog]

with thc for instance ,
a lot of folk here seem to think the more you have,
the stronger the pot will be ,
something in the 30 mark being twice as strong as something in the 15% mark ,,
but its not is it????

im 100% sure i could give you guys weed that would make you hold onto the edge of your seat and wish you were straight ,
and its not called kush and the thc content isnt that high compared to modern hybrid ...

I've experienced exactly that...amazing how old strains grown outdoors in the tropics often blow the lid off almost everything.

and it make's you wonder if it's about percentage of THC or the quality of the THC.

Could it be possible that THC and other cannabinoids vary in quality due to a variance in their molecular structure??? Think about how acid commonly varies in quality, as does heroin, cocaine and speed all variant...it sort of has you wondering.

I recall having red hash oil in the late 70's and it was supposedly synthetic. One tiny line of this clear, runny oil applied down the outside length of a cigarette on one side in a skinny line soaking the paper, a trail about the width of a match and you were totally off your face for many hours.


billy

 

[Midnight Tokar]

IMO the various terpenes and how they interplay with the various cannabinoids has as much or more to do with the quality of the high than just the THC and THCa amount.

 

[Chevy cHaze]

I agree with billyblog,
some of the old stuff blows you away although I'm sure it's not because of the THC content.
Then again, I've never seen that stuff tested anywhere...
Really interesting thought about the quality too Midnight Tokar.

My guess is there might be other cannabinoids that are not as dominat as thc when it comes to the overall amounts in a plant... maybe they modulate the THC like cbd does? only in a more far-out & trippy way?

 

[purple_man]

to be honest, jj from advanced hydro made a great point couple of years ago, while we were discussing a similar issue alongside some other OLD guys from the bizz (the overall quality of herbz nowdays).

the conclusio was, that back in the days, the guys smuggling, selling, etc. had higher standards of quality, and were smokers themselves, in comparison to the "new league" which mostly consists, of former cokeheads n pushers who many times don't even smoke -> $ over quality became the norm.

blessss

ps.: if any real breeding is to be done, the whole molecular biology/biochemstry of the endocannabinoids has to be understood better, as well as the modulation abbilities of ratios amongst the cannabinoids to each other, as well as the terpene ratios, again linked to the expression of the users endocannabiod receptor expression...

pps.: can we please stop calling the nowdays "industry standards" breeding? and just call it by it's real name: marketing driven pollen chucking