Can I increase my odds of getting a male for breeding?

[Dropped Cat]

If you believe something is true, your argument to support
your beliefs becomes more important to you than the facts
that my be presented to refute your beliefs.

You can reverse males and females all day long, the seed's
sex is determined upon conception.

The rest is hormone manipulation, and at worst, wishful thinking.

 

[aridbud]

Ok, please explain this...same plant, same bud exploding with seeds (and packaged up for sale/trade/grows)....so when planted in January in semi-tropical climate (tempos cool at night....50F), less light (13.75 hrs)....exact same seeds from exact same bud, exact same plant...planted in perfect environment....lights, humidity, warmth.

Colder temps in January (albeit semi-tropical climate zone) garners 8 out of 10 males. In optimum environment....8 out of 10 female. All from same plant, same bud, same seed. WHY????

That's part of my observations last few years. Had lengthily study decades ago....same occurrence.

Seems to me environment plays a significant role in percentage of M:F.

Still conception/birth...males vs. females??

Just curious of answer/perception.

 

[Asche]

why are you people so angry..
is it so much about pride here?

the question was if one can increase the odds of getting a male.
the simple answer is yes he can.

the plants are determined through genetics,
which is as chemically as stressing a plant.

lets bring some simple facts to start with
to explain what genetics are.

i want to see a table of elements which are involved
and how the are charged and therefore interact.

if somebody might be so kind to share that information
in an overviewable manner he will get an extra hug from me.
cause i would be glad to read it.

i also can go an search now wikipedia but i am in no way
a doktor who has studied it for centuries
and still not knowing all the answers.

so? who can make a good start for a workshop

 

[MJBadger]

the question was if one can increase the odds of getting a male.
the simple answer is yes he can.

 

[aridbud]

Ok...in a syllable....YES!

 

[Asche]

aridbud you are sou proud shouting it out..

do you know the elements i kindly asked for?

 

[candidly]

Aridbud is "so proud of shouting it out" because he has seen and experienced the exact same things countless other folks have.

Chimera talks a good game about genetic testing seeds, but I note he didn't mention anything about the environment different seeds were raised in. If XX plants become female and XY become male, that's no surprise, if you're growing under 75* temps with no stress!

I have germinated many thousands of seeds myself, and what I've noticed is this:

Stress (especially HIGH TEMPERATURE) = lots of males.

Nice, pleasant conditions = lots of females.

This corresponds with the observations which have already been made by numerous cannabis growers over decades of growing. I'm not one to readily believe "typical stoner myths", but this is one that I have personally found to be true through my own experience.

Yes, the environment DOES influence what gender the plant DECIDES to do. The genetics of course, do play a large role in this determination, but it's the interaction with the ENVIRONMENT which determines the final outcome.

There is a Y chromosome, but that doesn't mean X and Y chromosomes work exactly like they do in humans. The Y chromosome if present will likely influence the plant heavily toward becoming a male, but in many cases it could still become female if conditions are right. The opposite is true for XX plants.

 

[Mister_D]

Q: Can I increase my odds of getting a male for breeding?

A:, No, gender is determined genetically.

This guy right here is one of the smartest people on this forum. I'd listen to what he has to say .

 

[aridbud]

aridbud you are sou proud shouting it out..

do you know the elements i kindly asked for?

Look it up for yourself....you do not seem to want to hear what others are indicating. Several said the same as I....others disagreed, which is fine. You'll have to do your own "guess work"/research to get the answer you want.

I can only speak for growing for 3+ decades. So, I don't know anything, nor have observed anything.

...."and have never gotten a male despite them being regs. Is there a way to increase my odds of getting a male to work with? "

I was responding to fuzzymuffin's question....no intention of hijacking the thread, fuzzymuffin. Environment does play into M:F ratios.

 

[aridbud]

Stress? Like low temp or low nutes?

There's a few ways to stress....temp/light/nutes.

 

[Asche]

its a nice parole you have written in your signature aridbud
what does it mean to you to get along with everybody?

started with a question about plants
ends up on a social catastrophe.

maybe you know something about plants
but it seems knowing something for you
is just to fill you pride.


not may way of getting along with everybody.

 

[Asche]

This guy right here is one of the smartest people on this forum. I'd listen to what he has to say .

your smart guy with all due respect unfortunately did not read what it was about and answered no for something which can be changed according to several opionions. so you can trust somebody.. but please with open eyes.

Look it up for yourself....you do not seem to want to hear what others are indicating. Several said the same as I....others disagreed, which is fine. You'll have to do your own "guess work"/research to get the answer you want.

I can only speak for growing for 3+ decades. So, I don't know anything, nor have observed anything.

...."and have never gotten a male despite them being regs. Is there a way to increase my odds of getting a male to work with? "

I was responding to fuzzymuffin's question....no intention of hijacking the thread, fuzzymuffin. Environment does play into M:F ratios.

y this agression bro, i was simply suggesting a workshop
so if you know nothing as you say now then way keep posting.

sorry for playing moderator.. but i wish this really would apply
what you have in your signature.

 

[Dropped Cat]

Ok, please explain this...same plant, same bud exploding with seeds (and packaged up for sale/trade/grows)....so when planted in January in semi-tropical climate (tempos cool at night....50F), less light (13.75 hrs)....exact same seeds from exact same bud, exact same plant...planted in perfect environment....lights, humidity, warmth.

Colder temps in January (albeit semi-tropical climate zone) garners 8 out of 10 males. In optimum environment....8 out of 10 female. All from same plant, same bud, same seed. WHY????

That's part of my observations last few years. Had lengthily study decades ago....same occurrence.

Seems to me environment plays a significant role in percentage of M:F.

Still conception/birth...males vs. females??

Just curious of answer/perception.

All the anecdotal posts point to females showing
in cooler temps, yet your case shows males sprouting
predominately in cooler temps. What does that say
about proof of stress?

The seed's sex is determined by it's genetics, not
environments.

Join the discussion about sexing seeds in this thread:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=278587&page=2

Interesting hypothesis.

 

[candidly]

This guy right here is one of the smartest people on this forum. I'd listen to what he has to say .

Some of us are intelligent enough to do our own thinking, rather than searching for some authority figure to worship.

 

[candidly]

All the anecdotal posts point to females showing
in cooler temps, yet your case shows males sprouting
predominately in cooler temps. What does that say
about proof of stress?

It says that words are ambiguous.

What does "cooler" mean? 50 degrees, or 70 degrees? Or 150 degrees, since that's "cooler" in relation to 200 degrees?

I took him to mean that 30-40-50 degree temps will more likely show males than 60-70 degree temps. I have not personally tried that, but it does make sense.

The seed's sex is determined by it's genetics, not
environments.

So you claim. Where's the proof?

 

[Dropped Cat]

Silly comparison, equating authority with knowledge.

 

[Dropped Cat]

A minority of plants are fully dioecious, with adult plants producing either only male or only female flowers. When is this sexual differentiation determined? Is the seed of such a plant already male or female? Is it a simple genetic difference?


The short answer is that in dioecious plants the sex of an individual plant is determined by its chromosomes.

Several familiar crop plants are dioecious: asparagus, kiwi, hop, papaya, spinach and yam. The evidence indicates that dioecy has evolved independently in different plant families. I refer you to

Matsunuga & Kawano (2001) Sex determination by sex chromosomes in dioecius plants. Plant Biol 3: 481-488.

I have summarised below some of the introductory information in this review.

First some background for context: In mammals there is an XY system in which maleness is determined by an active Y chromosome i.e. the Y chromosome carries male sex determination gene(s). Males are said to be heterogametic. In Drosophila there is also an XY system, with heterogametic males, but in this case what determines sex is the ratio of X chromosomes to autosomes. This ratio exerts its effects through the Sxl gene. In this system the Y chromosome does not carry male-determining genes.

In flowering plants, in dioecious species, the usual situation is that males are heterogametic. However, there is variability in the underlying mechanism of sex determination. So for example in hop (Humulus lupulus) there is a pair of sex chromosomes that can be distinguished by their appearance. However there is no active male determination but rather the X to autosomal ratio determines sex (as in Drosophila). Conversely, in asparagus (Asparagus officinalis), sex is determined by a pair of chromosomes designated pair 5. The two chromosomes are morphologically indistinguishable but genetic evidence indicates that there is active sex determination in this species - one member of pair 5 acts like the mammalian Y chromosome.

Here's a good thread:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=261935

 

[candidly]

So for example in hop (Humulus lupulus) there is a pair of sex chromosomes that can be distinguished by their appearance. However there is no active male determination but rather the X to autosomal ratio determines sex (as in Drosophila).

So in other words, it works exactly like I just said it does.

The X chromosome and autosome are what determine sex, not Y. In hops. Which is a close cousin of cannabis.

 

[Mister_D]

Some of us are intelligent enough to do our own thinking, rather than searching for some authority figure to worship.

..........and yet fewer of us posses the intelligence required to know what the fuck we are talking about before we post. You are clearly not one of those people .

 

[Asche]

..........and yet fewer of us posses the intelligence required to know what the fuck we are talking about before we post. You are clearly not one of those people .

says somebody who ignored the fact that his mentor
talked bullshit himself.. sorry to say so.

without getting further abusive and sorry to be so
lets just stop quarreling around like bored little children
lets go on with some proper stuff please,
the question is answered.