I took those pics before i did the first round of defoliating. gonna wait a few days and get back in there. I really like the fall colors though. We'll see how that translates to the buds. They're fattening up nicely, and pumping calyx's. Doesn't look to be much larf at all with the exception of a couple plants. Mostly BIG fat stanky solid og nugs.
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DabLab Reloaded-- back to vertville
- Thread starter DabOnDabs
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Damn that room looks beautiful....
The colors are almost as beautiful as the flowers...
Fkn Killing it!!!
The colors are almost as beautiful as the flowers...
Fkn Killing it!!!
I see a shit ton of work trimming coming your way.
This is very interesting... please do report back!
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It is holding up to the test...Thanks to the cold nights. I Guarantee you if it was like.....55-60* during the night, it wouldnt....Or the fans would be running 24/7 and humidity would be non existent...But, I planned for this. At night here in CO during the winter..Its cold. EVERY night.
There is more than enough ventilation in there. In total I have 8 wall mount fans in there. 4 on the floor, and 4 on the walls.
The wall mount fans on the floor was one of the best ideas I had for this run. That being said, if your lights arent lined up in a row, you wont get much benefit from this. Could possibly work w/ a 4 plant 5 light X. We'll see
As far as next run..I'm not sure how long I can rely on forced air to keep my temps nice and low, while letting my foggers have time to work... So, I'm gonna split my rooms up. Run the 16 girls I have ready to go under 6 k, w/ a ton of ventilation. Then, set up a horizontal R+D room. I have a ton of strains I'm gonna be testing out. 4 will be ready to go ~ 1 month after the first room goes in, so i'll get the perpetual goin on... It'll also give me some time to think about summer, and my air conditioning problem
I'm definately ready to seal things up...And I'm definately gonna need to. Thinking about a central A/C with zoning. Dont really have any connects to hit up for duct design, so that worries me a bit, but I'll figure it out.
Wanna go w/ Central over splits because they move more air.. Way more. Also, dont wanna have to buy like 3-4 seperate splits. Would like to get one big badass central a/c.
Tons of stuff to ponder over.
Ttystikk
Member
It is holding up to the test...Thanks to the cold nights. I Guarantee you if it was like.....55-60* during the night, it wouldnt....Or the fans would be running 24/7 and humidity would be non existent...But, I planned for this. At night here in CO during the winter..Its cold. EVERY night.
There is more than enough ventilation in there. In total I have 8 wall mount fans in there. 4 on the floor, and 4 on the walls.
The wall mount fans on the floor was one of the best ideas I had for this run. That being said, if your lights arent lined up in a row, you wont get much benefit from this. Could possibly work w/ a 4 plant 5 light X. We'll see
As far as next run..I'm not sure how long I can rely on forced air to keep my temps nice and low, while letting my foggers have time to work... So, I'm gonna split my rooms up. Run the 16 girls I have ready to go under 6 k, w/ a ton of ventilation. Then, set up a horizontal R+D room. I have a ton of strains I'm gonna be testing out. 4 will be ready to go ~ 1 month after the first room goes in, so i'll get the perpetual goin on... It'll also give me some time to think about summer, and my air conditioning problem
I'm definately ready to seal things up...And I'm definately gonna need to. Thinking about a central A/C with zoning. Dont really have any connects to hit up for duct design, so that worries me a bit, but I'll figure it out.
Wanna go w/ Central over splits because they move more air.. Way more. Also, dont wanna have to buy like 3-4 seperate splits. Would like to get one big badass central a/c.
Tons of stuff to ponder over.
Hey there, there's a thread where we are furiously debating the relative merits of different hvac approaches, and I'd like to get your input. From what you've mentioned above, you may be an ideal candidate for water chilling, depending on your system;
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=279397
Ttystikk
Member
[...regarding adding calcium last.]
I honestly don't know. Maybe they want the other stuff to be at the lowest concentration first? Since I like how fast and completely the calcium nitrate dissolves, I do it first and let it fully mix in my RDWC while I prepare the Jacks- and the epsom salt that goes in with it.
I do several things to get complete dissolution with Jacks, including starting with a gallon of hot tap water (ours is very low EC), and then once it's been mixing for several minutes adding several more gallons of cold water to help it dissolve into a larger volume of water more quickly. This also reduces solution strength and thus reduces the chance of any flocculation and precipitation events to a minimum.
I mix my MKP bloom booster completely separately from any of the above and dilute that with at least a few gallons of water before adding it to the RDWC.
As far as I can tell, the way I'm doing it is working fine. Making the concentrated solution w/ hot water dissolves all of both nutrients. Then adding them to a regular tank. Still wanna know how Arminus's thing works out.
Also still a bit confused. After stretch, cut out calcnit, and switch over to 10-30-20 @600ppm?
Also still a bit confused. After stretch, cut out calcnit, and switch over to 10-30-20 @600ppm?
Thanks guys.
Bringing this one home the right way finally. Soo excited and happy.I have no idea how much to expect..which is half the fun
First run averaged ~1.1 lbs per light(12 plants, 4kw)(trimmed after 7 weeks Hermies)
Last run averaged ~1.33 lbs per light(22 plants, 4kw)(trimmed after 7 weeks Landlord)
This run ???? (18 plants, 12kw, 10 weeks, no hermies, no bullshit.)...
I'de honestly be happy with 12.... Elated with 15... Shitting my pants w/ 18. But These plants arent 1lb each. NO fawkin way.
mr. gt
Active member
Hey man. Ive been keeping up. I admire your confidence to take on such a project. Makes me feel like a pussy...
That being said. I am having a mind battle with myself over which setup to use. I have about 8 months left till I move out by you (if i remember correct)
Now I have been researching since I was a young young teenager. Back since the Heath Robinson days.
My point.. you are saying around less than 1.5 lbs per 1k watt. I understand each time was cut short. Would you be open to talking about why you chose this grow style vs. others?
I have been following one of my grower on here AeroKrafter...who disapeared ... If you have some time check this thread out... https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=237140&page=15 ..check out posts 215 and 220
post # 220 DHF comments how grows Colosseum style up walls are 'yield machines'
on this page... https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=237140&page=18 ... he gets 3.2 lbs from a 1k watter and a light mover. Earlier he claims (2) 600 watts could be better light coverage. I do know he is a pro though. Far better than myself. I got some of the same strain and plan on copying him myself.
So have you considered possibly building a bunch of smaller 4 sided Colosseum style grow areas side by side? Also to stack the lights so theres lights more directed hitting the bottom of the plants? I know it would be a huge project. The 1k watters may not be the best suited . I have to look back through your threads and see how much room you have.
ps: you would need more clones I guess....
Tell me some of your thoughts. You have more experience than I do for sure.
~mr. gt
That being said. I am having a mind battle with myself over which setup to use. I have about 8 months left till I move out by you (if i remember correct)
Now I have been researching since I was a young young teenager. Back since the Heath Robinson days.
My point.. you are saying around less than 1.5 lbs per 1k watt. I understand each time was cut short. Would you be open to talking about why you chose this grow style vs. others?
I have been following one of my grower on here AeroKrafter...who disapeared
... If you have some time check this thread out... https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=237140&page=15 ..check out posts 215 and 220post # 220 DHF comments how grows Colosseum style up walls are 'yield machines'
on this page... https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=237140&page=18 ... he gets 3.2 lbs from a 1k watter and a light mover. Earlier he claims (2) 600 watts could be better light coverage. I do know he is a pro though. Far better than myself. I got some of the same strain and plan on copying him myself.
So have you considered possibly building a bunch of smaller 4 sided Colosseum style grow areas side by side? Also to stack the lights so theres lights more directed hitting the bottom of the plants? I know it would be a huge project. The 1k watters may not be the best suited . I have to look back through your threads and see how much room you have.
ps: you would need more clones I guess....
Tell me some of your thoughts. You have more experience than I do for sure.
~mr. gt
Hey man. Ive been keeping up. I admire your confidence to take on such a project. Makes me feel like a pussy...
That being said. I am having a mind battle with myself over which setup to use. I have about 8 months left till I move out by you (if i remember correct)
Now I have been researching since I was a young young teenager. Back since the Heath Robinson days.
My point.. you are saying around less than 1.5 lbs per 1k watt. I understand each time was cut short. Would you be open to talking about why you chose this grow style vs. others?
I have been following one of my grower on here AeroKrafter...who disapeared
post # 220 DHF comments how grows Colosseum style up walls are 'yield machines'
on this page... https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=237140&page=18 ... he gets 3.2 lbs from a 1k watter and a light mover. Earlier he claims (2) 600 watts could be better light coverage. I do know he is a pro though. Far better than myself. I got some of the same strain and plan on copying him myself.
So have you considered possibly building a bunch of smaller 4 sided Colosseum style grow areas side by side? Also to stack the lights so theres lights more directed hitting the bottom of the plants? I know it would be a huge project. The 1k watters may not be the best suited . I have to look back through your threads and see how much room you have.
ps: you would need more clones I guess....
Tell me some of your thoughts. You have more experience than I do for sure.
~mr. gt
First off, let me say this: I've been lurking on these forums since I was a wee lad as well; I have been drooling over Heaths grows for years as well. I actually have a different account here back from 09. Haha, makes me hate my 13 username but whatevs. Anyways, the standard flat grow doesnt impress me. What does impress me is a space pod wrapped in silver reflectix pumping 3 lbs per 600!
So originally, i just chose vert because the math makes sense. Double or even triple your floor space, by building up, not down. The problem is covering that build up w/ buds. Floor to ceiling. Dense, hard, even, in every direction--> This is where I'm lacking.
Just because I havent hit 1gpw+, doesnt mean its not in my future. I have had to deal w/ a ton of growing pains. This run probably wont be 1gpw, nor will the next...But give me a couple years, and some time to test out new strains...And i'll get there.
Another thing I have to take into consideration is plant count. throwing 6-8 plants around a 1k or 2x600 donut is too much..
I need like 1.5 plants per light MAXIMUM (including expansion)...sure I coulda stuck 1 plant under a 1k, trained and overveg like a mofo, and still end up w/ a pretty nice crop..
But that woulda required an additional 12 hoods, among other equipment...it just wasnt in the budget.
I will probably set up a 6kw room w/ hoods here soon...I do need a room that will give me some flexibility with plant numbers, spacing, watering, and draining. In my current setup, i really cant add plants...Its setup for 18 plants, and 18 plants only. No feed or drain for additional girls. I would like to set up a R+D room where i have irrigation running around the walls w/ flexible tubes on ball valves coming off the PVC. Put like 30 feed ports around, with the ability to turn certain ones off when they arent in use. This would give me a space to constantly test new strains, beans, clones, etc from the various people i meet along my journey. It wont give me a great idea how the plants will do in vert, but it'll give me a general idea of the plants overall characteristics.
But, I can guarantee you'll be seeing some solid R+D out of me soon...
The big room is getting split up after this run, and will then contain:
6 lights - 16 plants sorta the way I have them now, but w/ two rows of three lights (8 GS Cookies, 8 Nightmare OG in 5 Gallon pots 50/50 coco perlite)
1 month later I'll be doing my pheno hunt flower run... there's like 34 plants in there, but a few are unsexed, a few are runts, and a few are finicky whores that dont deserve my dick anyways. But that room should have a good 20 plants (3 gallon pots 90% coco)...
Also gonna set up a 6k - 6 plant ppk room (maybe 2), and then start to transfer all my plants over to perpetual ppk mid summer.
Couple projects I'm thinking about - - - I'm thinking about making a ppk system like AD's...In a kiddie pool. But instead of putting like 8-10 or however many AD puts in his...I'm just gonna do 1. And veg for like 3 months inside, plant outside, and see if i cant grow the biggest pot plant on mother earth... I was thinking about doing a little shed/greenhouse build out in my backyard...Conceal it nicely with some other green crops, some corn, and peppers all over my back yard, and it should be nice.
I've been thinking more and more about getting some land and getting a greenhouse going...Dont have time this summer, but I could check out massive ppk's... see if i can get one plant all the way through, and try to upsize the system next summer?
Haha, I dont know.
I've got another beano hunt coming up soon too; Seems like seeds keep dropping out of the sky for me;
Sin City Seeds is sending me a lineup of unreleased seeds to test. They like my pics on their forum i guess
mr. gt
Active member
thanks for sharing your thoughts. Heath is like a hero to me. His octagon grow with 1 600 was extremely impressive. He is THE reason that I now believe that there is no limit as to where you can grow meaning walls, ceiling, floor, having a octagon with a swinging door with plants on it ect ect.... He is getting great gpw ( I think like 2.12 or something) BUT I'm pretty sure he was using a 8' diameter circle. I realize his goal was to get high GPW but I'm sure he could've added another 600 watt or 2 stacked to get more yield per sq ft but less gpw. All depends on your goal. Speaking of which may I ask what your goals are? Whether its keeping low plant count, low..ish.. power usage... ect??
Going to certain places, meeting certain people made me realize how important it is to have short term, medium, and long term goals. Most importantly what you can do today to get closer to reaching those goals. Even more importantly never giving up on those goals no matter what comes in your way. (the reason I'm moving to a rec. state to live my dream)
I always think extreme. I not sure if your worried about plant counts but have you ever considered if you kept the main room the same to add shelves and try some soil plants against the uncovered walls or behind the main crop. You could add a second screen so they would stay behind the main crop. Whatever yield you got would just be a bonus and could even use it to make more oil even if the plants are half ass!
What about some individual scrog soil plants scattered on the floor under the lights. I've seen people put scrog soil grows with the screen attached to the pot so the pot is moveable if you need to move it to walk around. You could also do mixed strains, if you want, since you can water them individually. Once again I don't think it would interfere (I could be wrong) and it would appear to be bonus yield. More work of course.
To be even more exteme.. .. you could even scrog on the ceiling with a bit of imagination.. might mess up the airflow..
I'm here to think outside of the box with you. It would be mostly theory but I am always here to help people the best I can.
Don't get me wrong. Your plants are beautiful and I love the colors of your babies! I am a huge lurker as you can tell by my post count but am trying to get more involved in the community. I am on the site everyday checking out new posts on the 'my posts' list.
I love your motivation on taking on a greenhouse also, taking on separating the main room ect ect. If you did separate the main room in half you would get an extra 2 walls the width of the room. I can not do the math since I'm not sure of your room dimensions. But it seems like a significant amount and may not need as many lights and can move the lights elsewhere.
Sorry I have so many questions but is it possible to stack the lights? Or is the heat a problem or is there a reason why you cant? What if it was a 400 or 600 underneath.
I would love to see you split the room into 2 or 3 smaller so you have more walls to grow on. Not sure if you actually have the length but from the pics it seems like you can add a couple more walls. Have (2) 1k watts on top with a 600 or 400 under those (2) 1k watters in each of the smaller rooms with crops on all 4 walls. Wish I could come smoke a l.. or dabs ... with you to talk for hours on how to maximize.
anyways I am very impressed by the scale of the grow and your skills even if I am giving constructive criticism and seem to be coming off like an ass. Thanks for your time sharing your thoughts with me. It is helping me a lot (probably more than just me) understanding large scale stuff like this, especially since I will have a full size bedroom to live my dream in about 8 months.
Good vibes to you mr dabs. Don't give up on your dreams!
~mr. gt
Going to certain places, meeting certain people made me realize how important it is to have short term, medium, and long term goals. Most importantly what you can do today to get closer to reaching those goals. Even more importantly never giving up on those goals no matter what comes in your way. (the reason I'm moving to a rec. state to live my dream)
I always think extreme. I not sure if your worried about plant counts but have you ever considered if you kept the main room the same to add shelves and try some soil plants against the uncovered walls or behind the main crop. You could add a second screen so they would stay behind the main crop. Whatever yield you got would just be a bonus and could even use it to make more oil
even if the plants are half ass!What about some individual scrog soil plants scattered on the floor under the lights. I've seen people put scrog soil grows with the screen attached to the pot so the pot is moveable if you need to move it to walk around. You could also do mixed strains, if you want, since you can water them individually. Once again I don't think it would interfere (I could be wrong) and it would appear to be bonus yield. More work of course.
To be even more exteme..
.. you could even scrog on the ceiling with a bit of imagination.. might mess up the airflow..I'm here to think outside of the box with you. It would be mostly theory but I am always here to help people the best I can.
Don't get me wrong. Your plants are beautiful and I love the colors of your babies! I am a huge lurker as you can tell by my post count but am trying to get more involved in the community. I am on the site everyday checking out new posts on the 'my posts' list.
I love your motivation on taking on a greenhouse also, taking on separating the main room ect ect. If you did separate the main room in half you would get an extra 2 walls the width of the room. I can not do the math since I'm not sure of your room dimensions. But it seems like a significant amount and may not need as many lights and can move the lights elsewhere.
Sorry I have so many questions but is it possible to stack the lights? Or is the heat a problem or is there a reason why you cant? What if it was a 400 or 600 underneath.
I would love to see you split the room into 2 or 3 smaller so you have more walls to grow on. Not sure if you actually have the length but from the pics it seems like you can add a couple more walls. Have (2) 1k watts on top with a 600 or 400 under those (2) 1k watters in each of the smaller rooms with crops on all 4 walls. Wish I could come smoke a l.. or dabs
... with you to talk for hours on how to maximize.anyways I am very impressed by the scale of the grow and your skills even if I am giving constructive criticism and seem to be coming off like an ass. Thanks for your time sharing your thoughts with me. It is helping me a lot (probably more than just me) understanding large scale stuff like this, especially since I will have a full size bedroom to live my dream in about 8 months.
Good vibes to you mr dabs. Don't give up on your dreams!
~mr. gt
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DHF
Just checkin on yas.....ObSoul33T`s solid folks.....Known him for buncha yrs at other places and here back when....Didn`t know he was staff member at the farm these days , but his alien genetics that`s been crossed with buncha elites has proven to be good stock over time....now...
How them bitches doin huh ?......
Peace....DHF.....
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How them bitches doin huh ?......
Peace....DHF.....
.....The pictures on the last couple of pages are sweet dabs. Some lovely buds forming and the early yellowing didn't seem to matter in the end.
The last few posts are interesting... mashing things about and working angles on yield and gpw.. It's ultimately what defines your skills when all's said and done, that and optimum plant health. but the real boundaries are those measured in grams and watts.. and feet of floor space.
Personally I think a good starting point Dabs is to see what your yield is from this grow. At that point you'll know whether the amount of watts you're using is justified, or whether you could get the same amount with the same plant numbers, with less electricity in a smaller space.
If plant numbers are the key, or veg time is an issue, you can still cut the number of bulbs right down and lose no yield. For example, If each plant did 8oz and you had 2 either side of each bulb, you'd be talking 16oz per 1000w and just under 0.5gpw.
You could put 4 round the same bulb and do the same numbers on half the wattage and be pushing the 1gpw you're after.
The last few posts are interesting... mashing things about and working angles on yield and gpw.. It's ultimately what defines your skills when all's said and done, that and optimum plant health. but the real boundaries are those measured in grams and watts.. and feet of floor space.
Personally I think a good starting point Dabs is to see what your yield is from this grow. At that point you'll know whether the amount of watts you're using is justified, or whether you could get the same amount with the same plant numbers, with less electricity in a smaller space.
If plant numbers are the key, or veg time is an issue, you can still cut the number of bulbs right down and lose no yield. For example, If each plant did 8oz and you had 2 either side of each bulb, you'd be talking 16oz per 1000w and just under 0.5gpw.
You could put 4 round the same bulb and do the same numbers on half the wattage and be pushing the 1gpw you're after.
