Possibly?
The news in California is there is a water shortage and marijuana grows are the major problem. Reportedly, 5 gallons of water a plant.
That should help drive up prices. jpt
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Ideas For Keeping Pot Prices from Deflating Rapidly
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Possibly?
The news in California is there is a water shortage and marijuana grows are the major problem. Reportedly, 5 gallons of water a plant.
That should help drive up prices. jpt
lol... yes there is drought . heard from old timers its the worst they have seen in a long time in my area anyhow....don't know how that will affect crops as stoners are creative and with all the huge med grows I aint so shure how much guerilla grows contribute to the market anymore....I am still looking for an outdoor spot myself
binaryfission
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justpassnthru - That is only a short term change. Even if the drought stays for years the bigger more well invested growers will still produce more than the smaller ones.I'm talking long term. How does the Cannabis market protect itself and its producers from things like "2 Buck Chuck." Once full legalization happens, economies of scale and etc. The owner/operators that built this community will need some amount of protection. A union or something similar.
I feel like terroir protects the farmer and preserves the legacy of places like Mendo and Humboldt. Provides a rising tide to lift all the boats in a given area and still expands the idea of what geocentric herb could be.
Imagine kush only being allowed to be applied to something coming from the Hindu Kush in the same way they label tequila, champagne or cognac. Mendo purps, Salmon Creek, Tahoe, SFV, the list goes on. Branding and copyrighting can only do so much.
Even two buck chucks went to $2.49, last year.
http://http://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2013/01/two-buck-chuck-price-goes-up/
If 2 buck chuck said "organic" on it, I'd drink to that! But, it doesn't. I see the future as being secure with "organic" meds. IMHO...
I wonder how the pesticides are leaking into wine..thru the skins?
I'll always spend a little more for quality and taste.
Find a niche of quality and 'bank' on that! imho. I'll drink a little expensive Champagne just like expensive buds. There will always be a market for quality and healthier indulgence of anything. As our society moves beyond pills to food/herbs for cures...the market should follow.
The only way to grow the market is thru educating. Right now, Colorado and the influx of children with epilepsy moving there....well, right now is an exciting time to see, especially at my age! The word is getting out there, rapidly!
I started using medically almost 6 years ago and seldom/extremely little...illegally before that. Who Knew that 'reefer' stuff would help me tremendously in my aging years!
jpt
http://http://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2013/01/two-buck-chuck-price-goes-up/
If 2 buck chuck said "organic" on it, I'd drink to that! But, it doesn't. I see the future as being secure with "organic" meds. IMHO...
I wonder how the pesticides are leaking into wine..thru the skins?
I'll always spend a little more for quality and taste.
Find a niche of quality and 'bank' on that! imho. I'll drink a little expensive Champagne just like expensive buds. There will always be a market for quality and healthier indulgence of anything. As our society moves beyond pills to food/herbs for cures...the market should follow.
The only way to grow the market is thru educating. Right now, Colorado and the influx of children with epilepsy moving there....well, right now is an exciting time to see, especially at my age! The word is getting out there, rapidly!
I started using medically almost 6 years ago and seldom/extremely little...illegally before that. Who Knew that 'reefer' stuff would help me tremendously in my aging years!
jpt
Hello all,
Damn right.
It seems the only folks pissed about falling prices are the ones that are being sidelined by legalization (growers/middlemen/distributors).
Growing your own is too easy compared to beer and wine production.
I have brewed my own beer...it was great...big pain in the ass too...Easier to go to the store then the hassle (economy of scale).
However, in a 36sqft raised bed garden in my backyard, and just a few minutes a day and with good genetics I have produced more for myself then I can smoke in a year. Easy as pie.
I say let legalization swept the nation and let economic Darwinism follow suit for I do not need commercial industrial dope when I have my own.
It was also stated that cannabis is not either alcohol or wine...this a correct assessment alcohol and wine are different paradigms.
The wine industry has its niche markets...take a drive up and down the 101. But from what I have seen...the vineyards are huge in size and numbers by comparison to tiny mom and pop operations.
I use this analogy to highlight the disproportionate numbers of large scale and small scale operations.
How many mom and pop do you think will survive. Few to be sure.
That is a contributing factor for why legalization failed in California. IMO.
I am not insensitive to the mom and pops operation, indeed some close friends that were in the game since the early 90's up in Mendo gave it up do to among other things was the falling prices. The past few years most for the product was brokered for shipment to the Right Coast.
Anyway, let the market dictate itself.
minds_I
binaryfission
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minds_I -
Overall I agree with your laissez faire attitude but the market is shaped by its participants. People vote with their dollar. That being said the idea of keeping prices from deflating too rapidly was originally proposed as a sort of protectionism against "big business."
You make a good point with wine and its "niche markets." The idea that a merlot can taste like a cab but must be labeled properly is awesome. The varietals are preserved by the "terroir system." Linking the products to the area with which they come is a tried and true way to preserve value. Ever heard of:
Littleneck Clams
Maine Lobster
Gulf Shrimp
All these products retain value because people believe, rightly so, that where the product comes from matter. Why not with pot?
To your point about size. I agree. I want to preserve the mom and pop operations. I want localized organic produce. Great vegetables are easier to grow than great weed, I'ld say, yet people are still purchasing fruits and vegetables. I still think many people will be buying pot. Legal or otherwise.
For me this is more about education and culture than money. Money can come and often does come from that but it is not necessary. California just like France has a special climate and a special culture has developed to maximize that climate. Why not protect it?
I bet if you asked those folks sending packs back east if they want prices to drop they'd say no. Ha! I want legalization but I also want independent producers to thrive. I want options. I feel like education is the best way to keep options. Knowing where the herb came from and respecting the people who produced it is the first part in my opinion.
Its been a long day. I hope that makes sense.
Overall I agree with your laissez faire attitude but the market is shaped by its participants. People vote with their dollar. That being said the idea of keeping prices from deflating too rapidly was originally proposed as a sort of protectionism against "big business."
You make a good point with wine and its "niche markets." The idea that a merlot can taste like a cab but must be labeled properly is awesome. The varietals are preserved by the "terroir system." Linking the products to the area with which they come is a tried and true way to preserve value. Ever heard of:
Littleneck Clams
Maine Lobster
Gulf Shrimp
All these products retain value because people believe, rightly so, that where the product comes from matter. Why not with pot?
To your point about size. I agree. I want to preserve the mom and pop operations. I want localized organic produce. Great vegetables are easier to grow than great weed, I'ld say, yet people are still purchasing fruits and vegetables. I still think many people will be buying pot. Legal or otherwise.
For me this is more about education and culture than money. Money can come and often does come from that but it is not necessary. California just like France has a special climate and a special culture has developed to maximize that climate. Why not protect it?
I bet if you asked those folks sending packs back east if they want prices to drop they'd say no. Ha! I want legalization but I also want independent producers to thrive. I want options. I feel like education is the best way to keep options. Knowing where the herb came from and respecting the people who produced it is the first part in my opinion.
Its been a long day. I hope that makes sense.
binaryfission
Member
100% agree. But in a legal world competition will be stiff. Of course there will be abundant cheap cannabis. But what about all the people who will still buy on the commercial market. How will the small time producer survive (and I mean survive not live drug war rich) if prices are too low?
Honestly I think taxes are going to solve the low price problem, but I still think the terroir system has value.
Quality, quantity and variety.
X kilograms per year @ $X - $X per gram = living wage
WE NEED MORE GOVT CONTROL AND PRICE FIXING TO SAVE THE CANNABIS COMMUNITY.
*looks around to see if heads are nodding in agreement*
*looks around to see if heads are nodding in agreement*
We have been using the "medicine" as our main argument for legalization. I don't think it would hurt any of us growers to give a percentage of our harvest to those that truly need it, for free.
I don't think we want to be compared to big Pharma with gouging those with a need.
I have given away lots my friend and setup several grows for folks too... now and in the cw og days I spent lots of time helping folks out...extra gear,seeds,clones,product ,advise.. I have done my part several times over and continue to do so but my situation don't allow much now... did hook up a few med growers with seeds no charge recently tho.. my point was medicine aint free and the way mj buisness models work it will stay expensive till feds recognize it and insurance companies follow suit. would be great to cop an ounce paid for by insurance for those in need like any other medicine. I used to make a run about 1 1/2 hours each way to deliver free stuff to some folks needin it
binaryfission
Member
I agree with this. Although I think you missed the step where big pharma tries to isolate individual chemicals found in cannabis. I foresee most states skipping the medical step and going straight to decrim or legalization for flowers and other "smokeables." I see easier access for recreational with state and local controlling it through zoning like LA has.
That's what is great about the terroir system. In France, the system was developed by the farmers/merchants to protect their products. Imagine the OG Bordeaux producers, being undercut by some Merlot down the Rhone. Terroir is just like an extension of the name branding American's love.
The "name game" has played out in other markets already. History's lessons are there to prevent us from making the same mistakes.
binaryfission
Member
Illegal price fixing? What thread are you reading bud?
I am trying to prevent the wholesale destruction of the farmers who built the community by agro-business. Just research terroir or the appellation system in France.
It was designed by producers in conjunction with merchants to prevent what amounts to theft. Copyrights and patents can only take you so far when all wine is red and the distinguishing factors between good and great are subjective. Producers need more than a brand name to individualize the good from the not so good. If they can't, the retailers take all the profit. Why shouldn't Tahoe be famous like Bordeaux or SFV like the Cote de Rhone? This is about education.
Finally, it is fully legal in 2 states. Some of us want to plan for the future. I get it you hate unions and what not but try to bring something constructive to the table instead of just tossing salt.
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