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Hey guys. I've got some Malawis going for our winter season here in Hawaii. They are really great plants. Really strong and vigorous with crazy root growing abilities. They all had a rough start because I didn't have my ducks in a row and everything was done on the fly and they have still have proven to be virtually bulletproof.
I popped 6 seeds and got 2 males and 4 females. One of the females was not worth keeping, but the other three are looking great and I'm really enjoying seeing them progress.
Here's a group shot of the three girls. I took these pictures about a week and half ago. They have grown a lot since then and are filling out incredibly well. "Explosive growth" would correctly describe what's been going on in the past week and a half since I took the pictures.
The planters are 3 feet wide for size comparison.
This is the most mature plant. She is about 3.5 weeks into flowering here. And honestly, these pictures don't really do her justice.
And here are the other two. They are about 2 weeks into flowering here.
Great thread and thanks for sharing everyone
I popped 6 seeds and got 2 males and 4 females. One of the females was not worth keeping, but the other three are looking great and I'm really enjoying seeing them progress.
Here's a group shot of the three girls. I took these pictures about a week and half ago. They have grown a lot since then and are filling out incredibly well. "Explosive growth" would correctly describe what's been going on in the past week and a half since I took the pictures.
The planters are 3 feet wide for size comparison.
This is the most mature plant. She is about 3.5 weeks into flowering here. And honestly, these pictures don't really do her justice.
And here are the other two. They are about 2 weeks into flowering here.
Great thread and thanks for sharing everyone
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Let me know if you can't see the pictures. Great thread by the way.
Lovely Malawis Lightweight, thanks for sharing them with us..do you really have two seasons there, is winter season shorter and less intensive as prime season?..I would like to see mother nature in act on Hawaii one day 
oh Jah Im your closest son, when shall we travel there
http://youtu.be/FY5_Q9azOm0
oh Jah Im your closest son, when shall we travel there http://youtu.be/FY5_Q9azOm0
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Hi konopenko. We do have two seasons here, actually it's kind of three. Long season is during the summer from about April until whenever your plants finish and short season is from September to March/April. Long season is when plants, especially sativas, get big and short season makes plants flower right away. So, I supplement them with light during the short season until I want them to flower. And if you're growing indicas here, you pretty much have to supplement them with light even during long season unless you want them to flower right away. Our longest days are not long enough to keep indicas in vegetative mode, but both indicas and sativas love the weather of the islands. Thanks for the compliments and I'll take some more pictures this week because the plants have really exploded. I had a hard time remembering which one was which from the pictures because they don't look the same as they did a week and a half ago.
kiwigreen420
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Hi there lightweight,
nice looking Malawis mate, I think I have the same pheno as your second plant - it's the thin leaf longer flower one.
Here's some Malawis growing guerilla.
It's funny how you can't veg indicas there, I think they can flower at 14/10 and under - sativas 13/11 or less for equatorial sativas.
Mine took 3 weeks to initiate flowering indoors from 12/12.
Those clones outdoors still have 6 or more veg weeks left, I'd say they will get to a decent size.
I'm jealous of your climate man, what's you average temps in the day through summer? today was 27 degrees here in NZ.
I think my climate is semi-subtropical(37S) I should be able to finish them off.
nice looking Malawis mate, I think I have the same pheno as your second plant - it's the thin leaf longer flower one.
Here's some Malawis growing guerilla.
It's funny how you can't veg indicas there, I think they can flower at 14/10 and under - sativas 13/11 or less for equatorial sativas.
Mine took 3 weeks to initiate flowering indoors from 12/12.
Those clones outdoors still have 6 or more veg weeks left, I'd say they will get to a decent size.
I'm jealous of your climate man, what's you average temps in the day through summer? today was 27 degrees here in NZ.
I think my climate is semi-subtropical(37S) I should be able to finish them off.
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Hey kiwigreen, That does look like the same pheno. Do you how long that pheno takes to flower approximately?
You're plants are looking good too. I've heard NZ produces some fire and your climate is great for cannabis also.
Our longest day here is 13hrs and 25min., so yeah, not long enough to veg indicas without supplemental lighting, but it is long enough for very sativa dominant plants and they really shine here.
Average highs in the summer are 27-28, but it feels nice because we generally have constant tradewinds throughout the summer. Average summer lows are around 20 degrees and the winds usually stop in the evening. Average highs in the winter are around 25 and the lows are around 15.
And I'm going to have to find another camera. My wife has pretty much commandeered "our" new camera. Too bad for me, but she uses it way more during the day anyway. I'll figure something out, but the plants are looking great. I hit them with some alfalfa/kelp tea and they greened up really nicely, which is good because we still have aways to go.
You're plants are looking good too. I've heard NZ produces some fire and your climate is great for cannabis also.
Our longest day here is 13hrs and 25min., so yeah, not long enough to veg indicas without supplemental lighting, but it is long enough for very sativa dominant plants and they really shine here.
Average highs in the summer are 27-28, but it feels nice because we generally have constant tradewinds throughout the summer. Average summer lows are around 20 degrees and the winds usually stop in the evening. Average highs in the winter are around 25 and the lows are around 15.
And I'm going to have to find another camera. My wife has pretty much commandeered "our" new camera. Too bad for me, but she uses it way more during the day anyway. I'll figure something out, but the plants are looking great. I hit them with some alfalfa/kelp tea and they greened up really nicely, which is good because we still have aways to go.
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Yeah I'm sure it's the 'killer Malawi' phenotype, I'm only a month into flower with the mother so I can't give you an exact time, probably 14 weeks at least. keep this pheno mate, apparently it's more devastating,tripping and holds you in your place. Ace Malawi is 75% of the 'Killer' mother and 25% of other malawis to improve taste and what not.
NZ can produce some of the finest in the world, but you have to know the right people.
my climate in particular is perfect for the shorter flower sativas like Malawi,mexican,Ciskei or any other sativas that don't go beyond 15 weeks.
Your summers are close to mine, 29 degrees yesterday and a 20 degree low last night.
But damn I'm jealous of your so called 'winters'
how much rain do you get?, I'd say the indicas would get mold easily? I'd rather grow Sativas for peace of mind.
what are the aromas of your 'killer' pheno? You need to keep us updated mate!
Malawi in Hawaii is legendary, we can compare NZ Malawi to Hawaiian Malawi
Cheers
NZ can produce some of the finest in the world, but you have to know the right people.
my climate in particular is perfect for the shorter flower sativas like Malawi,mexican,Ciskei or any other sativas that don't go beyond 15 weeks.
Your summers are close to mine, 29 degrees yesterday and a 20 degree low last night.
But damn I'm jealous of your so called 'winters'
how much rain do you get?, I'd say the indicas would get mold easily? I'd rather grow Sativas for peace of mind.what are the aromas of your 'killer' pheno? You need to keep us updated mate!
Malawi in Hawaii is legendary, we can compare NZ Malawi to Hawaiian Malawi
Cheers
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Hey kiwigreen, we get about 127 centimeters (I'm assuming you use metric measurements) a year in our area, but because of the shape of the islands and the tradewinds that blow the same direction 90% of the year we have a lot of different climates here. I live on one of the wetter sides, but on the south and west sides of the island they get about 35 centimeters annually.
And on top of that, we have a multitude of micro climates, i.e. I live about 4 miles from where the MMJ garden is and we get significantly more rain here than where the plants are.
And I'd rather grow sativas in general, but if I want to grow some indicas, summer is a better time to do it because it's drier and the humidity is lower. I'm sure it can be done in the winter time, but I'd definitely want to have some strains that are mold resistant.
And the aroma on all three of the Malawis is hard for me to pinpoint still. I was just trying to figure it out on Friday. So far I'd say musky, fresh scent (I'm not sure if that is an oxymoron) with some woody scents behind it. What does yours smell like? Maybe your description will help me figure out this scent. I do know, it smells good.
And yeah, I will definitely keep you updated. Maybe my wife will let me borrow "our" camera for the day sometime in the near future.
And on top of that, we have a multitude of micro climates, i.e. I live about 4 miles from where the MMJ garden is and we get significantly more rain here than where the plants are.
And I'd rather grow sativas in general, but if I want to grow some indicas, summer is a better time to do it because it's drier and the humidity is lower. I'm sure it can be done in the winter time, but I'd definitely want to have some strains that are mold resistant.
And the aroma on all three of the Malawis is hard for me to pinpoint still. I was just trying to figure it out on Friday. So far I'd say musky, fresh scent (I'm not sure if that is an oxymoron) with some woody scents behind it. What does yours smell like? Maybe your description will help me figure out this scent. I do know, it smells good.
And yeah, I will definitely keep you updated. Maybe my wife will let me borrow "our" camera for the day sometime in the near future.
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Yeah we get close to that, 118cm I think.
NZ has a lot of micro climates too, Hawaii is drier than I thought.
I live in a warm place that gets higher night time temps than most other places in NZ. Grown any Hawaiian strains? I'd love to see what crazy strains are grown over there - there's definitely lots of good growers over there. We have volcanic soil over here too. Probably why our countries produce good outdoors.
Humidity can get high very quick here, that's why i'm growing Malawis and Panamas to keep that damn mold away! I'm worried about my taskent indica this year because of the rain in mid april.
Yeah na I can't figure it out either, kinda minty woody, indoors at 4.5 weeks.
All I call it is the Malawi smell!, no other plants are like it and is unique to Malawi
I bet mine are a bit bigger now, probably fill the whole area in the cage because it likes to grow outward more than upwards - probably the best veg plant I've seen
NZ has a lot of micro climates too, Hawaii is drier than I thought.
I live in a warm place that gets higher night time temps than most other places in NZ. Grown any Hawaiian strains? I'd love to see what crazy strains are grown over there - there's definitely lots of good growers over there. We have volcanic soil over here too. Probably why our countries produce good outdoors.
Humidity can get high very quick here, that's why i'm growing Malawis and Panamas to keep that damn mold away! I'm worried about my taskent indica this year because of the rain in mid april.
Yeah na I can't figure it out either, kinda minty woody, indoors at 4.5 weeks.
All I call it is the Malawi smell!, no other plants are like it and is unique to Malawi
I bet mine are a bit bigger now, probably fill the whole area in the cage because it likes to grow outward more than upwards - probably the best veg plant I've seen
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Hey Kiwigreen, sorry for the slow reply. I don't always get to get on a computer at night and it's too much trouble replying with my phone.
Anyway, there are definitely some wetter areas than where I live now. On the Big Island (the island of Hawaii) I lived in the wettest inhabited area of the U.S. Crazy rain over there. Where I am now is very moderate, just about perfect for me.
And I haven't grown any Hawaiian strains. I don't know many people that grow here on Maui, but I did on the Big Island and I didn't think about grabbing seeds from anyone before I left. Oh well. But there are some great strains here and some people still have some of the legendary strain seeds i.e. Elephant Ear, Mowie Wowie, Kona Gold, Kauai Electric, Hawaiian Shores, etc. But as far as I know, you'd have to be a close relative to get some of those seeds.
There's good contemporary strains that have been bred here too and a lot of the California genetics are making their way here as well.
And I had the 3 other patients I'm growing for come over and smell the Malawis and no one could pinpoint what they smell like, so calling it the "Malawi Smell" really is appropriate.
Do you guys have deer that eat your plants and that's what the cages are for?
Here's what the plants look like now and they're still growing. I gave them some coconut water, cactus puree, fulvic acid, molasses, neem oil and 1/4 strength Big Bloom yesterday and they seemed pretty dang perky about it today.
I made the 3' planter around this one into a 6' planter and when I took the fencing off around it the roots had already reached to every side and all the way down to the ground. These Malawis have the craziest root growth I've ever seen. This is my favorite one so far.
Here's the one the is apparently like the Killer Malawi pheno. Beautiful plant.
And this one is hardly recognizable from when I first put it to flower.
And here's the fourth female that I didn't show last time and said it wasn't worth keeping. I hope I was right because I didn't clone it. It was retarded during veg. It had deformed leaves and some black junk on the inside of every new leaf set during veg, but I figured I'd flower it just to see what it did and this girl totally straightened everything out once it started to flower. Hopefully, this isn't some amazing pheno that I'm going to be kicking myself for not cloning it.
Good job Ace Seeds, these are lovely plants to grow.
Anyway, there are definitely some wetter areas than where I live now. On the Big Island (the island of Hawaii) I lived in the wettest inhabited area of the U.S. Crazy rain over there. Where I am now is very moderate, just about perfect for me.
And I haven't grown any Hawaiian strains. I don't know many people that grow here on Maui, but I did on the Big Island and I didn't think about grabbing seeds from anyone before I left. Oh well. But there are some great strains here and some people still have some of the legendary strain seeds i.e. Elephant Ear, Mowie Wowie, Kona Gold, Kauai Electric, Hawaiian Shores, etc. But as far as I know, you'd have to be a close relative to get some of those seeds.
There's good contemporary strains that have been bred here too and a lot of the California genetics are making their way here as well.
And I had the 3 other patients I'm growing for come over and smell the Malawis and no one could pinpoint what they smell like, so calling it the "Malawi Smell" really is appropriate.
Do you guys have deer that eat your plants and that's what the cages are for?
Here's what the plants look like now and they're still growing. I gave them some coconut water, cactus puree, fulvic acid, molasses, neem oil and 1/4 strength Big Bloom yesterday and they seemed pretty dang perky about it today.
I made the 3' planter around this one into a 6' planter and when I took the fencing off around it the roots had already reached to every side and all the way down to the ground. These Malawis have the craziest root growth I've ever seen. This is my favorite one so far.
Here's the one the is apparently like the Killer Malawi pheno. Beautiful plant.
And this one is hardly recognizable from when I first put it to flower.
And here's the fourth female that I didn't show last time and said it wasn't worth keeping. I hope I was right because I didn't clone it. It was retarded during veg. It had deformed leaves and some black junk on the inside of every new leaf set during veg, but I figured I'd flower it just to see what it did and this girl totally straightened everything out once it started to flower. Hopefully, this isn't some amazing pheno that I'm going to be kicking myself for not cloning it.
Good job Ace Seeds, these are lovely plants to grow.
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Serious progress brococonut water..sounds exotic but as I see shit works fine, you will be smoking some cannaisseur organic ganja in few months
Hey konopenko,
Thanks for the encouragement. Pure coconut water works great. It's got all sorts of great stuff in it for plants and you only need 1 ounce per gallon of water. So, with the varieties of coconuts here you can use 1 coconut for 20-32 gallons of water. It's basically the same as if you were to make sprouted seed tea for your plants, but a lot faster and easier.
It looks like you go through a lot of work to grow weed. Is your country pretty harsh on weed growing or are those mountains areas just the safest places to grow?
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Beautiful plants everyone.I wish I could grow outdoors like you guys.
To find a nice pure Hawaiian strain to grow is my quest.
I wish Ace would offer something like this.
Take care.
Hey Zanddar,
There aren't really any "pure Hawaiian" strains. Cannabis isn't native to Hawaii. However, there are strains that were bred here that came from other regions (Asia, Central/South American) and have been grown here for quite some time, so I guess you could call those landrace Hawaiian strains, which is probably what you're talking about.
Unfortunately though, a lot of the old school strains have gone extinct or almost extinct because of the aerial eradication program we have here called "Green Harvest". Green Harvest started in 1977 and at that time a lot of the bred Hawaiian strains were tropical sativas that grew huge (like 20'+ I'm told by the older growers here, probably some thai influence) so they were easy pickings for Green Harvest to see and were pretty much wiped out. Though I know a couple people who have hoarded seeds since then, but I don't know if they have more than one old school strain apiece. So, there are at least two of the old school Hawaiian strains that are still here in seed form, and I'm sure there are other growers that have held onto to seeds since then, but they're not easy to find.
How come you can't grow outdoors? I thought Canada had great growing weather in the summer.
Hi Lightweight, beautiful grow! I am going to really enjoy watching yours finish.
May I ask, did you do any kind of training with them? Topping?
I will be starting mine soon and I am trying to be prepared for everything since it will be indoor all the way.
As for summer growing in Canada it really depends on where in the country you live. You have to remember how big a country this is. We have everything from dessert like climate to tundra, prairie grasslands, boreal forest, temperate rain forests, etc. many different types of growing conditions. Zone 5 all the way down to Zone 1 and arctic. We have learned to produce large amounts of growth in our own areas but it generally depends on breeding acclimated strains of everything. Agriculture is a big thing in many areas so yes we can grow a lot of stuff. But even so it is not always easy to grow tropical plants like Sativas. I have about a 12 weeks growing season where I am. Extending that to 16 is possible but it takes a lot of extra work and money.
Zanddar has more experience growing MJ than I do, so he can probably add to this.
May I ask, did you do any kind of training with them? Topping?
I will be starting mine soon and I am trying to be prepared for everything since it will be indoor all the way.
As for summer growing in Canada it really depends on where in the country you live. You have to remember how big a country this is. We have everything from dessert like climate to tundra, prairie grasslands, boreal forest, temperate rain forests, etc. many different types of growing conditions. Zone 5 all the way down to Zone 1 and arctic. We have learned to produce large amounts of growth in our own areas but it generally depends on breeding acclimated strains of everything. Agriculture is a big thing in many areas so yes we can grow a lot of stuff. But even so it is not always easy to grow tropical plants like Sativas. I have about a 12 weeks growing season where I am. Extending that to 16 is possible but it takes a lot of extra work and money.
Zanddar has more experience growing MJ than I do, so he can probably add to this.
Hey Lightweight, growing in mountains is quite safe, because people who hike there have different culture from others..they dont call cops if they find some plants. I was smoking near my dača one peacefull morning when I heard two hikers discussing about growing ganja there on 1600m..they knew that I was planting some every year
Cannabis in Slovenia is still seen as a drug like coke or heroin..blue fascists are destroying every plant they can, looks like police is searching only ganja in our country..well fuckem all
Cannabis in Slovenia is still seen as a drug like coke or heroin..blue fascists are destroying every plant they can, looks like police is searching only ganja in our country..well fuckem all
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Hey BCJohn,
Sorry for the slow reply. I'm on this forum regularly, reading from my phone, but it's too much trouble to reply with. Anyway, I usually LST, FIM and supercrop throughout veg and then LST for the first few weeks of flower also. I try to get fairly even energy distribution throughout the whole plant. Sometimes it works really well and sometimes I have very uniquely shaped plants, ha ha. It would be good if you have height restrictions. I've never done any side by side grows to see if all the LST/FIM/supercrop stuff gets greater yield than just letting the plant grow, but I think I can sectionally harvest more of the plant more evenly. I don't know if that makes sense.
I used to just let the plants grow naturally when I lived on the Big Island of Hawaii, but with my current veg area it works better for me to bush them out more before flower.
I vegged these plants for two months, which shouldn't really count for someone who has all their ducks in a row. I haven't grown anything for a couple of years and I was getting everything set up on the run, but they were vegged for two months and the most developed plant in the pictures (1st pic) which also happens to be the most evenly trained is about 3 feet wide in that picture and probably around 2 feet tall (give or take a couple of inches) after 1 month of flowering. It's still growing, but not at a real noticeable rate because there's something 13 colas on that plant so it's really spreading out the growing energy.
The one in the second picture with only 4 main colas is the tallest and I'd guess it's around 3 ft. tall and 2 ft. wide with 3 weeks-ish of flowering.
And just to let you know, I would repot (if you do that) earlier with the Malawis because their roots grow really fast. All the other plants I have going would just be getting their roots to the bottom of the pots and the Malawis would already be curling back up the other side. Like I said, they have amazing root growth.
And yeah, I could see it being really difficult to grow more than a 12 week strain in Canada; I thought Zanddar meant not being able to grow any cannabis outside which is the case for some people because of extenuating circumstances.
Sorry for the slow reply. I'm on this forum regularly, reading from my phone, but it's too much trouble to reply with. Anyway, I usually LST, FIM and supercrop throughout veg and then LST for the first few weeks of flower also. I try to get fairly even energy distribution throughout the whole plant. Sometimes it works really well and sometimes I have very uniquely shaped plants, ha ha. It would be good if you have height restrictions. I've never done any side by side grows to see if all the LST/FIM/supercrop stuff gets greater yield than just letting the plant grow, but I think I can sectionally harvest more of the plant more evenly. I don't know if that makes sense.
I used to just let the plants grow naturally when I lived on the Big Island of Hawaii, but with my current veg area it works better for me to bush them out more before flower.
I vegged these plants for two months, which shouldn't really count for someone who has all their ducks in a row. I haven't grown anything for a couple of years and I was getting everything set up on the run, but they were vegged for two months and the most developed plant in the pictures (1st pic) which also happens to be the most evenly trained is about 3 feet wide in that picture and probably around 2 feet tall (give or take a couple of inches) after 1 month of flowering. It's still growing, but not at a real noticeable rate because there's something 13 colas on that plant so it's really spreading out the growing energy.
The one in the second picture with only 4 main colas is the tallest and I'd guess it's around 3 ft. tall and 2 ft. wide with 3 weeks-ish of flowering.
And just to let you know, I would repot (if you do that) earlier with the Malawis because their roots grow really fast. All the other plants I have going would just be getting their roots to the bottom of the pots and the Malawis would already be curling back up the other side. Like I said, they have amazing root growth.
And yeah, I could see it being really difficult to grow more than a 12 week strain in Canada; I thought Zanddar meant not being able to grow any cannabis outside which is the case for some people because of extenuating circumstances.
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Hey Lightweight, growing in mountains is quite safe, because people who hike there have different culture from others..they dont call cops if they find some plants. I was smoking near my dača one peacefull morning when I heard two hikers discussing about growing ganja there on 1600m..they knew that I was planting some every year
Cannabis in Slovenia is still seen as a drug like coke or heroin..blue fascists are destroying every plant they can, looks like police is searching only ganja in our country..well fuckem all
I'm glad you have safe places to grow there and like-minded people in your area. Your country looks beautiful also.
We have states here in the U.S. that are still like that too. A few grams can land you in jail for 20 years in some states. In Hawaii the cops spend tons of money looking for plants from helicopters to destroy them and a lot of other states too.
But, it's all going to crumble soon, since 2 of our states legalized adult cannabis use and commercial growing. Another 2 states here are probably going to legalize it this year and probably another 4 or 5 states in 2016. Cannabis prohibition is going to end here soon. Uruguay is legalizing cannabis use and other Latin and South American countries are looking to legalize it also. Some Latin/South American and European countries and some U.S. states have already decriminalized cannabis use. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a snowball affect on the rest of the world as well.
