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[DamnUglyDogE]

AD MY Brotha!

Give me some tips for poppin beans!!! You gotta have a couple

I know you just switched to the pool ppk method which obviously I'm not doing (shit i should be), but I need some pointers;

I popped 13 Newhouse seeds, 12 germed, all 12 got to be about 3 inches tall, only the first pair of small leaves. On 6 of the 12 the stem got weak in the middle, and poof, they dipped to the floor. Goners.

I've had these issues in the past too. My light is 12'' Above the tops. (Necessary for the clones i have under there as well, but cmon...12'' w/ a 8 bulb t5 is plenty close?

I've got a fan in there, low speed.. Temps 72-76 Depending on what time of day it is.. Humidity 50%-60%...(read you want 50% ish for clones)...

The newhouse seeds I just popped i put in cups of coco + perlite, after cups of water and then paper towels. 6/13 isnt good enough for me... I need 12/13.

After doing some reading and research, and talking to my buddy at the dro store I picked up some rapid rooters, and skipped the paper towel with this run. However, germing the seeds isnt my problem.. Its after they break the surface, ditch the seed coat, and chill in their first week that I get problems. They grow to be about 2 inches tall in 1-2 days, and then post up for a week and dont do jack shit except get a weak stem and die. What am i doin wrong? Wheres my lush cannabis tree dawg??

Much appreciated! Hoping for better luck with the rooters. Dont know why it would be that much different tho lol

Shit bro... Pains me to hear... Ran into the same issue popping seeds this run myself....
Sounds like my over wet and either to warm or cold try's..

Damping off (or damping-off) is a horticultural disease or condition, caused by a number of different pathogens that kill or weaken seeds or seedlings before or after they germinate. It is most prevalent in wet and cool conditions

I found seeds and little seedlings are better off kept simple.
For me... 24h soak then 24-48 napkin in a warm spot. I use 2 plates on the fridge or on one of my CLF hoods.

Per soak media/Rockwool~CC~soil whatever... 12-24 hours to dry.
(The media should be moist but not dripping wet when the seedling is placed)
place over-not on- A warming pad.. Having the tray 1/2" above the heating pad worked good. Dome on top till the seedling come up then removed in a high humidity environment 60-70% RH. No water needed for the 1st week or so,even then only lightly watered till harden.
So many ways to skin this cat!!!

Or like I said simple is better...

Get a Kiddie pool fill it with CC and toss some seeds in it... Bam... Trees...

For me... Straight CC was easy with cup in cup_bottom cup holding 1/2" water on a warm spot. Water added every few days. But ...
Was hard to tell when water was needed as the top always looked dry....

My next germination will be with CC/Coco and I will use this mix through veg into pure CC for flowering...
This is the approach I'm coming away with from this season...


I noticed helmet head with 90% of the shallow seeds and almost none with those started deeper in the media...1.5"-3" did well...
Took longer for those to show but they were healthier and stronger.

Guess the bottom line for me was..
The simpler I made it... The simpler it was...

Hopefully someone can come in a add some nugs of knowledge on us but that's what I've picked up this year....

And I think clones like Temp 80/Humidity 80 till hardened off...

Then again... Im taking clones and plugging them into CC pools with a fan blowing over (no hoods)them with rh around 70s in the room and they are growing...

Ive also popped beans in flooded CC with 1.5 ish EC...
Can someone explain that to me...hahaha...

Guess,were all learning together...

Learning the rules well,so as to break them effectively...

Hope some of that helps..
Puff,puff,pass...AD...

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

18months left, hoping there will be more choices for a legal grow w/o plant # limits, at that time. Somewhere warm and dry, but not cali. What if u could only make 6bottles of beer per person, w/o limits on bottle size, its ridiculous. Just make stores keep track of sources and make a (half-ass)public attempt to stop untaxed sales. Perhaps if the plants are genetic copies they are counted as one? Then 25 might be enough to allow some seed searching/saving cuts during flower. Its all BS, if I'm keeping or even giving away the flowers, you shouldn't tell me how to rotate/manage my plants.

Enjoying your changes and designs, have ya made any guesses on weight?

I feel ya brother... The legal limbo sucks But... Were moving forward little by little... Plant #s do count and these little pieces of paper we all carry are no free pass so always keep it safe and sane...

Im hoping for a balanced approach to the home grow subject with Recreational use laws coming our way... Every state will be a little different and I believe once states start adding up the #s.
Some state will chose to attract MJ industries with relaxed restrictions...

I could easily see a breeders permit allowing for high numbers of Vegging plants and restricted #s of flowering plants...
Say 200 Veg 20 flower per licence holder with no linking option.
Who knows though... Time will tell...

any guesses on weight?

Well... I was going for a Smoke grow to begin with... Shooting for 1- 2lbs per pool...
Times changed and so did plans...
Now Im shooting for 1000 seeds per plant, Same as last years failed goal... Call it a 2nd try...
Pool 3 is my personal smoke pool and with a long veg I would hope for 2+...

I like hashing out my seed plants and am growing more and more fond of smoking hash vs buds...

Where ever ya land...
Hope it's green and sticky....

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

Im pumping 3-4 gallons of H2o into the room a day and for some reason my rh dropped to 49 with lights on-from 55-65 a week ago... Grrr... lol
Im even running the fan over the lower pool water surface...

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Got to figure out how to get one of these into the big tent and close it up for flowering...

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Right now im running the 400w-pool 3 during the day. 10 am to 10 Pm... Then the 2x 600s from 6 pm till 10 am...
The highest temps have been 84 but hang around 80-83 most the time with only using the 4" exhaust ATM trying to keep some humidity in the room up... Smells like a motha in there... Phew...

 

[Mister_D]

AD MY Brotha!

Give me some tips for poppin beans!!! You gotta have a couple

I know you just switched to the pool ppk method which obviously I'm not doing (shit i should be), but I need some pointers;

I popped 13 Newhouse seeds, 12 germed, all 12 got to be about 3 inches tall, only the first pair of small leaves. On 6 of the 12 the stem got weak in the middle, and poof, they dipped to the floor. Goners.

I've had these issues in the past too. My light is 12'' Above the tops. (Necessary for the clones i have under there as well, but cmon...12'' w/ a 8 bulb t5 is plenty close?

I've got a fan in there, low speed.. Temps 72-76 Depending on what time of day it is.. Humidity 50%-60%...(read you want 50% ish for clones)...

The newhouse seeds I just popped i put in cups of coco + perlite, after cups of water and then paper towels. 6/13 isnt good enough for me... I need 12/13.

After doing some reading and research, and talking to my buddy at the dro store I picked up some rapid rooters, and skipped the paper towel with this run. However, germing the seeds isnt my problem.. Its after they break the surface, ditch the seed coat, and chill in their first week that I get problems. They grow to be about 2 inches tall in 1-2 days, and then post up for a week and dont do jack shit except get a weak stem and die. What am i doin wrong? Wheres my lush cannabis tree dawg??

Much appreciated! Hoping for better luck with the rooters. Dont know why it would be that much different tho lol

You are just keeping your media too wet. This is causing damping off to occur. Solution to your problem is to simply allow the media to dry out a bit more before watering. You might do well using 1" rock wool cubes as they are extremely hard to overwater. Though they also dry out rather quickly, so you have to keep an eye on them until you know the cycle (I always had to water mine at least once per day).

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

That's what I said,just with a lot fewer words...

I tend to get wordy when baked...
So...Just about all the time,these days.... Bla,bla,bla....
The girlfriend loves this site... Though she has never been on it...
Always saying to me... Go tell them!!! I busy...

 

[Mister_D]

That's what I said,just with a lot fewer words...

I tend to get wordy when baked...
So...Just about all the time,these days.... Bla,bla,bla....
The girlfriend loves this site... Though she has never been on it...
Always saying to me... Go tell them!!! I busy...

Ya, saw your post after I'd already posted mine. Guess I need to put the down and finish reading once in awhile .

 

[Mikenite69]

My method has been fool proof for popping beans I get 100% sucess unless the beans are no good.

First I take my beans wet a paper towel fold the paper towel in half make sure it is damp not soaked I put the beans in the paper towel then I put them in a sandwich baggy and on top of my cable box they go usually within 24 hours I get them to pop.

Now dabs this next step is crucial when I go to plant my beans I don't burry the shell under the medium only the tap root. I think after it pops In paper towels it spends a lot of energy doing so, so when people bury them again after they have already sprouted in paper towels I think that is why they loose a lot of there beans because they spent energy spouting in the paper towels already.

I would think either put them in the medium directly without trying to sprout them in a paper towel first or paper towel then burry the tap root as far to the bottom of the shell of the seed and leave the rest of the shell on top of the soil works like a charm and I hardly ever lose one that way.

Also when you plant the seed just give it a little water to water the seed in making sure not to swamp the medium and let it dry it makes for the roots to spread to look for water.

Hope this helps dabs.

Ad everything is looks great bro I am gonna be flipping my current plants to flower I also have some beans I just started from my boy kool kush and crew that I will be running i am stoked about gsc x og kush clone only FEMs plus a bunch of other killer beans he gifted me.

Peace mike

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

Ya, saw your post after I'd already posted mine. Guess I need to put the down and finish reading once in awhile .

I would bet people appreciate your direct input VS my bla bla input bla bla...

Keep doing what you do brother...It works!!! :friends:

Mikenite69 My method has been fool proof for popping beans I get 100% sucess unless the beans are no good.

First I take my beans wet a paper towel fold the paper towel in half make sure it is damp not soaked I put the beans in the paper towel then I put them in a sandwich baggy and on top of my cable box they go usually within 24 hours I get them to pop.

Now dabs this next step is crucial when I go to plant my beans I don't burry the shell under the medium only the tap root. I think after it pops In paper towels it spends a lot of energy doing so, so when people bury them again after they have already sprouted in paper towels I think that is why they loose a lot of there beans because they spent energy spouting in the paper towels already.

I would think either put them in the medium directly without trying to sprout them in a paper towel first or paper towel then burry the tap root as far to the bottom of the shell of the seed and leave the rest of the shell on top of the soil works like a charm and I hardly ever lose one that way.

Also when you plant the seed just give it a little water to water the seed in making sure not to swamp the medium and let it dry it makes for the roots to spread to look for water.

Hope this helps dabs.

Ad everything is looks great bro I am gonna be flipping my current plants to flower I also have some beans I just started from my boy kool kush and crew that I will be running i am stoked about gsc x og kush clone only FEMs plus a bunch of other killer beans he gifted me.

Peace mike

Great point on the one or other when buried deep..
Makes sense... No pre soak and let the bean save the energy for growing to the surface.
Ive had a few damping off and simply looked exhausted...

Thanks Mike...

Been lurking your shows,bro... Solid!!!

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

I just dig the sky's around these parts...

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Speaking of hash.. Going to do me another run tonight.

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Brick weed Cannafornia style...

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[DamnUglyDogE]

Taking an opportunity to add a little color to the pools...lol
These are smoothed edge broken glass...

Tupperware tops work really good for softening the water flow but this looks a lot nicer and seems to work...

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Roots have really spread throughout the pools...
Coming up all over the place...

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Clay on the tips of the clones...
Which look to be growing...

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Man... This batch of CC was dirtier than I though...

Everything now has a clay ring around it...
Watching close to make sure nothing bad starts happening...

 

[Mister_D]

I would bet people appreciate your direct input VS my bla bla input bla bla...

Keep doing what you do brother...It works!!! :friends:

Well that lil green bar under my name keeps getting longer, so I guess at least some people occasionally like what I have to say .

 

[Mikenite69]

That's crazy all those roots popping out the top of that CC. Very nice AD!! Also damn look at the size of those damn tree trunks you have going on.

I can't wait to see what you find in those ladies AD you are gonna have a nice variety to smoke when all is said and done.

 

[DabOnDabs]

Sorry to hijack again, but thought i'de do a little reporting... The people who buy your seeds could use this information

I did about 12 hours of research; scholarly, google, books, along w/ ICMag and the the other forums which are apparently stock full with idiots, along with your friendly neighborhood growstore guy... which goes to say i attempted to find everyones way of germing seeds in order to weed out the horse shit, and fill it in with the good shit...

The result of all of this lends these conclusions; (and I will follow up with results which as of this morning look VERYYYY Promising). Oh and I also must mention, i went with rapid rooters this round. Hydro store dude is actually a good buddy who doesnt sell me snake oils and bullshit... He SWEARS by them. Says he was never good at seeds or cloning until he started fuckin with em. Anyways;

1.) Soak seeds in room temperature water for 12-24 hours. Just to the point where the first few are starting to crack.

2.) Skip the paper towel. This only stresses the seeds out, and allows for the little microfibers on the the roots to break.

2.) Plant seeds pointy end (tap root end) UP.

3.) TAP ROOT END GETS POINTED UP

4.) YA GOTTA POINT THE FUCKING TAP ROOT UP COCKS!
Sorry, I hope you get it now. I literally scoured the net, and 90% of yal (including myself until now) were using paper towels and throwing the seeds in tap root down. Herein lies half the problem. In nature, seeds orient themselves through a process called gravitropism. The vigor and health of the seed is derived from this process. By planting your seeds without the paper towel method, you can orient the seed in a position that will be beneficial to it in that it will be able to appropriately and vigourously guide its tap root, shed its shell, and emerge from the soil with the strength it needs to survive as a full plant.

11/34 have emerged from my recent seed pop so far (Planted per above 36 hours ago), with all 11 of them having no helmet head.. Granted different seeds, so its hard to compare results, but something tells me i'll be more successful this round. Will update, if you dont mind me throwing up in your threads

 

[DabOnDabs]

i must also note that it takes me 12 hours to do anything, because of my dab habits. So in reality it was like 30 minutes of research stretched out into a full day

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

i must also note that it takes me 12 hours to do anything, because of my dab habits. So in reality it was like 30 minutes of research stretched out into a full day

So I'm NOT the only one that happens to

Mi casa es tu casa,EL Dabs...
Not that I'm Spanish..
More like...
Brick weed on the brain..

 

[LyryC]

bad ass info dabs on dabs and everyone else.

I found out root riots are the source of many bullshit drawbacks and will be buying rapid rooters to try to clone with and pop beans as well as skip the paper towel which I have always HATED with a passion.

 

[DabOnDabs]

So I'm NOT the only one that happens to

Mi casa es tu casa,EL Dabs...
Not that I'm Spanish..
More like...
Brick weed on the brain..

shit ese, why you smokin brick weed r u loco?

I get so dabbed out sometimes i forget english too, so i feel you

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

Speaking of hash.. Going to do me another run tonight.

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DabOnDabs

shit ese, why you smokin brick weed r u loco?

Im just missing real Mid grade Mex brick...
Smoken on my own wanna be bricks... lol

Well actually im kind of on a Bubble Hash bender ATM...

Hard to get a good picture but there is a redish brown~Brownish yellow and pure yellow... No more green hash since I started doing the mixing by hand.

I ran the buds 2 times...

Still needs to dry a touch... Taking it slow...

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Im going to miss the GSC/LB hash as it's almost gone...
Tastiest hash I've ever had... Really nice power buzz as well..

Home this batch is close to as good but I doubt it could be...

Puff,puff,pass...

 

[DabOnDabs]

Im just missing real Mid grade Mex brick...
Smoken on my own wanna be bricks... lol

Well actually im kind of on a Bubble Hash bender ATM...

Hard to get a good picture but there is a redish brown~Brownish yellow and pure yellow... No more green hash since I started doing the mixing by hand.

I ran the buds 2 times...

Still needs to dry a touch... Taking it slow...

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Im going to miss the GSC/LB hash as it's almost gone...
Tastiest hash I've ever had... Really nice power buzz as well..

Home this batch is close to as good but I doubt it could be...

Puff,puff,pass...

How you smoke that ish? you throw it on bong bowls or is it full melt? I dont really understand the bubble hash..

I keep winning free grams of "dry sift keef" from the dispensary. I swear to god the shit doesnt get me high. It makes joints smoke and run like shit, and tastes like dog shit.

 

[Mikenite69]

Watch rapid rooters also I lost a couple of VANILLALUNA in them because the shell got caught on the inside of the rapid rooter and got strangled out.

Now with my paper towel method I never wait until the seed sheds its shell I wait until the tap root is about a half inch long and I plant them tap root down. I don't ever have issues this way and as long as the seeds are viable I get everyone to live. I have been doing it this way for about 20 years. My method is fool proof to me and I stick to it and stand by it 100%.

Rapid rooters are great for clones I will say that but I won't try to pop seeds in them again just because they strangled out a couple of seeds of mine.