You realize side by side experiments have too many variables when it comes to plants right? The protocols for a true side by side cannot be met so why cry about it.
If you look through the growers on here and deduce which ones defoliate vs not you can see the more experienced members defoliate at some point.
I love when people dive in and just say "well all of this isnt science its opinion".
Yet, they dont have any imput just remarks about experience being drivel.
Hey guys its not science so your words and experience are meaningless.
Pfffffft, please. Any seasoned grower knows defoliation is crucial indoors.
Thanks for adding nothing.
This isn't true. If the conditions of a side by side test can't be met using genetically identical clones, it's hard to know how they ever could be met.
In field testing they split plots, meaning they test a procedure on one section of a field, and leave a separate section untreated. A lot of the things you might use in your day to day growing might come backed up by findings of such tests.
Side by side testing using clones can only be dismissed if nobody can be bothered putting the effort into doing it properly.
And so far, Swami is right in what he says in regard to what actual substance is in this thread to warrant it being in the side by side forum. I've got to admit what I found was anecdotal and not in any way a true side by side, even though I've done with and without before.
When the thread `defoliation; high yield technique` was posted, it was in reference to the stripping of plants down to the bare bones. That each person's interpretation or opinion of it is different only adds weight to the opinion that what works best, or at what point there are diminishing returns, isn't understood any more clearly now than it was at the beginning of the thread.
Without proper side by side tests, I don't know how it ever will be. I don't agree with shouting people down for suggesting that. In fact, I completely agree.
Until a proper side by side is done, where at least a majority of conditions are met, opinion is all it is. The fact it's backed up by an individual experience makes it anecdotal evidence. Especially when individual experiences seem to wildly contrast each other.
Then why don't you step up and do it. link us the journal.
Why are you feeding the "naysayer"?
Definition: a person who says something will not work or is not possible : a person who denies, refuses, or opposes something.
Then why don't you step up and do it. link us the journal.
Same goes for you. And everyone else in the thread. None of us have actually done it. Still.
This is the thing. I'm just giving an honest assessment of what I see. The results of my experience with defoliation are just anecdotal, I admit that. I never actually compared anything side by side.
i've always wondered what breeders did to the strains i gro, like was a strain bred under conditions of NO defol, therefore maybe making it better NOT to defol, or vice versa.... it'd be nice to kno...
sumn to think on.