24 days in, flower deficiencys, scrap it or go on?

[IPuFF]

coco
2000 watts
temps 78-82
24 days into flower
3x feed a day at 8-1000ppm


Been having some deficiencies with the plants for a while, i think it began with the coco being to damp, leading to a root aphid infestation, leading to P deficiency. I got rid of the aphids with mosquito dunks and flushed to make sure there was not any salt build up.

Would you guys try to let these girls go on an do there thing or chop em down and start over?

 

[vostok]

Relax this is no biggy! ....Flush again, wait 5 days if no improvement, then continue to flush, it's important that you allow a minimum of 24 hours between flushed so the water drains, and the 02 re attaches to the root zone, the plants will be pissed but will see it as per a rainstorm.
Once plants have recovered 7-21 days, feed again at 50% less, increasing a pinch each time.

Ensure the next time you go cocoa, that you wash the cocoa first, of any salts, that come, even tho many suppliers claim to have done so

 

[bluenorth]

If you have root aphids, mosquito dunks won't take care of them. As much as the flies of fungus gnats and root aphids look the same, their offspring in your soil are very different beasts. Fungus gnats look like maggots and aphids look like beetles. There are tons of threads dealing with or arguing about killing aphids. You have a big problem, you don't even need the flying adults to have a big problem. Aphids only need to grow wings when the infestation is so bad they need to look for new victims.

 

[IPuFF]

If you have root aphids, mosquito dunks won't take care of them. As much as the flies of fungus gnats and root aphids look the same, their offspring in your soil are very different beasts. Fungus gnats look like maggots and aphids look like beetles. There are tons of threads dealing with or arguing about killing aphids. You have a big problem, you don't even need the flying adults to have a big problem. Aphids only need to grow wings when the infestation is so bad they need to look for new victims.

i could be wrong, but they were mostly tiny little bugs crawling under the top layer of soil, i did not see many flying around like i used to with gnats. i previously did a neem drench, followed by beneficial neematodes a few days later with a dry cycle in between. This seemed to knock em down to the point where i couldn't find them. Ill have to look again though, these plants looks much shittier than im generally willing to go but they have come so far... you guys know how it is. ill post an update tomorrow.

 

[Skunkpassion]

A good flush for the next 3-5 days.. Pull all the discoloured leaves off.. Then continue your feed... You should start seeing signs of improvement..

Good luck dude..

 

[vostok]

A good flush for the next 3-5 days.. Pull all the discoloured leaves off.. Then continue your feed... You should start seeing signs of improvement..

Good luck dude..

This is totally wrong, and Skunk should know better before offering incorrect advice, DO NOT remove any discolored leaves, yes the brown dead(necrotic) yes but not the yellow or yellowing, or the lime green leaves fan or water leaves, the plant is still feeding of of these, see leaves as food storage centers, and if you want bud you will need leaves.

With Bugs, I prefer Neem Oil, it's organic from a tree in India, stinks like hell so not so close to harvest, but is a broad spec insecticide and kills all my bugs for the last 10 years.

I apply one time a month as a chore, but for infestations strike early, with 1 teaspoon to a pint hand sprayer, add warm water and wack them bugs, they die slow but stop fucking the plant real quick

 

[Skunkpassion]

This is totally wrong, and Skunk should know better before offering incorrect advice, DO NOT remove any discolored leaves, yes the brown dead(necrotic) yes but not the yellow or yellowing, or the lime green leaves fan or water leaves, the plant is still feeding of of these, see leaves as food storage centers, and if you want bud you will need leaves.

Sorry mate, discoloured being the wrong word, removing all dead or crispy leaves..

 

[gaiusmarius]

those leaves look like they got wet when the lamp was on or something? all burnt! but luckily we are growing for bud not for leaf, i would carry on giving normal nutes right away after the flush. if you leave them without food for days on end they will just get weakened, till they die off. plants in coco coir need to be fed all the time, as the coco is eating up nutrients too and will start sucking them out of the plants if you don't feed it. to me the buds look to be in good shape, i'm sure the harvest will be decent even if they would just get ripe from now on. with a bit of luck all the healthy left over leaves, will take over the photosynthesis and the run will finish as usual.

did you spray the plants with the lights on? or turn the light on while the plants were still wet from spraying? thats what it looks like to me.

 

[IPuFF]

I thank you all for the quick responses!
I have decided to scrap the grow so i can restart with a clean tent.
I found mites and it seems like the one day i had the a/c off they went nuts.

I know i will be saving myself a few headaches if i restart fresh.
Ive got a confidential cheese plant i think i want to clone and run an organic soil approach.

 

[northerngrafta]

Don't do it you only have a month or so to go.... dont u have somewhere u could bring ur clones on in the meantime treat the problem and run till harvest however big or small the result

 

[medicalmj]

I thank you all for the quick responses!
I have decided to scrap the grow so i can restart with a clean tent.
I found mites and it seems like the one day i had the a/c off they went nuts.

I know i will be saving myself a few headaches if i restart fresh.
Ive got a confidential cheese plant i think i want to clone and run an organic soil approach.

Wow, that's a lot of missed bud opportunities. I would have finished it.
Are/were you using a calmag supplement? How often did you flush? How much runoff did you get when you feed 3x daily? How did you id the bug you said was an aphid and the mite? And where did you discover them?

 

[IPuFF]

Im looking for quality and these plants just didnt look like they were gonna give me what i was looking for. I still have some of last harvest to keep me afloat.

The plants were exposed to a bug bomb, and avid miticide 24 days into flower, which i really didnt want to do in the first place.

There was also a major issue with having standing water in the tent, i had a few leaks and my drain system was not working properly.

All this would have lead to more issues down the road ive learned.

sadly, after chopping the plants down and looking through the rootballs, they roots were well developed but I saw some white dots that almost mistaken for bits of perlite but i think were a bunch of small eggs.

My next run i will be pushing hard on preventative maintenance as well as a cleaner environment, as these are the main factors giving me a hard time.

I really want to give coco another go because of the increased yields over soil but i'm leaning towards going back to simple hand watering in an organic soil blend for some quality buds.

Where i live there's plenty of mids... its the topshelf that gets peoples attention.
(not saying soil is better than coco btw)

 

[yortbogey]

me thinks.... U need better air exchange for that tent.... temps, seem a bit high, and the air quality needs to be improved...

general rule of thumb.... for every exhaust... U got
U then need 2 of the same for intake....
IE if U got one 8" exhaust...
I'd then get 2 8" for intake....

the better the air quality the happier the plants....

 

[IPuFF]

Wow, that's a lot of missed bud opportunities. I would have finished it.
Are/were you using a calmag supplement? How often did you flush? How much runoff did you get when you feed 3x daily? How did you id the bug you said was an aphid and the mite? And where did you discover them?

I believe i didn't have my feed cycle set right, at first i started to often which gave me some problems, then i backed off the feed and might have been running dry a few times.

I didnt get to much runoff although id occasionally use dripclean
I also manually flushed 2x within the first 4 weeks.

Ive had healthier looking plants put out unsatisfactory buds in the past of these strains.

 

[IPuFF]

me thinks.... U need better air exchange for that tent.... temps, seem a bit high, and the air quality needs to be improved...

general rule of thumb.... for every exhaust... U got
U then need 2 of the same for intake....
IE if U got one 8" exhaust...
I'd then get 2 8" for intake....

the better the air quality the happier the plants....

The tent has a 13k btu a/c inside with co2 injection every now and then. There's also 2 fans in the tent to keep air moving. Theres still some air leaks so its not completely sealed up allowing some air to move freely.

Having an a/c and co2, should i still rig the tent to exhaust air every once in a while? my co2 sat between 3-500ppm jumping up to 1000 whenever the solenoid turned on.

 

[yortbogey]

if the room is COMPLETLY sealed... then U need to scrub the air w/ a filter for better quality...

BUT I would think U still need intakes for more clean fresh air...

recycling old air... is just stale....

 

[Noonin NorCal]

u water 3 times a day? thats a bit heavy isn't it? when i run indoor id hit them up twice a day, from veg to flower

 

[medicalmj]

u water 3 times a day? thats a bit heavy isn't it? when i run indoor id hit them up twice a day, from veg to flower

Good question. I started expirementing with coco about a year ago and now do 100% coco in airpots. I now feed 8 times per day for a couple minutes each time, just enough to get a little drainage. I had treated it more like soil in the past and did not get as good of yields as with more feeds. Like soil to hydro in the increase of productivity, I think. Or maybe other factors are/were at play, by no means scientific, just my impression.

 

[Holdin']

If I were you, I would decide between either running a sealed setup with co2, or just forgetting the co2 and replenishing the air adequately. I would choose option B. Running co2 in a tent really is headache, while getting actual benefits from supplemental co2.

Best use of co2 is to run a sealed room with ppms maintaining a setpoint between 1000-1500ppm. Anything in between, and you really won't get the benefits. Of course you're not hurting anything with your setup as-is, and you're more than welcome to keep pumping in the co2. But I just wanted to give you a heads up.

Good karma to you for scrapping the Avid treated/bug bombed plants... May your next garden give you the excellent results you desire