Making wax- but it's too dark.

[Green Dot Labs]

The demand for wax and budder will go away eventually once people become more educated on oils and what they consist of. Would you rather drink Skoal Vodka, or something nice like Stoli Elit: Himalayan Edition... You probably right now do not know what the Stoli Elit is because you have never tried it. Same goes with dewaxed shatter and all else.

But lets face it.. most people are dead broke and want to stretch their last $10 as far as they can... Bottom feeders smoke wax around these parts..

 

[nakadashi]

The demand for wax and budder will go away eventually once people become more educated on oils and what they consist of. Would you rather drink Skoal Vodka, or something nice like Stoli Elit: Himalayan Edition... You probably right now do not know what the Stoli Elit is because you have never tried it. Same goes with dewaxed shatter and all else.

But lets face it.. most people are dead broke and want to stretch their last $10 as far as they can... Bottom feeders smoke wax around these parts..

Hoping for the demand to go away because I am tired of people asking if I can make wax (also embarassingly the answer to this question is no).

What I currently do to keep the column cold is pack and freeze it overnight prior to running, but I like the idea of a cooling sleeve I can move from column to column. If nothing else, it will make my current process even colder. Unfortunately even in Jan. running the system outside will not get the temps low enough for me

Do you use a buchner funnel to dewax even with a dry ice sleeve? When I do my frozen column runs with nearly-sub zero butane there is not much wax present in the final product..Just wondering if this final step makes enough of a difference to justify the additional time?

 

[Green Dot Labs]

Like I said... once people catch on to dewaxed shatter, everything else will seem harsh and unattractive. Like the ole saying...

"If you haven't tasted the honey, you don't really know what you're missing"

But the market is still so new... people will catch on eventually when the standard is dewaxed shatter.

As far as open blasting... you do not need to freeze your tube. Just freeze your gas so that its liquid when it comes out. It will freeze the entire tube within 5 seconds.

Use a buchner funnel only if you want 100% wax free shatter. You can get a good 80% out by using dry ice and a 25micron screen. You can't see how much wax is present in your shatter until you dewax it You typically lose about 15% yield doing this.. but if youre a connoisseur, i say go for it.

 

[nakadashi]

I am using a closed system, but pre-freeze the tubes of plant material as well as chill my tank of butane with dry ice.

I have been wondering whether I am wasting my time freezing the columns of plant material because the butane is already so cold. It sounds like you are saying that if I am running cold butane (under 0F in the tank), then I don't need to be sticking my tubes in the freezer.

Really hoping that dewaxed shatter catches on more quickly here. I think wax and budder is only favored because of misinformation spread by ghetto whippers. This is what somebody had to say about my shatter earlier this week (he refers to all concentrate as "wax"):

"I've studied the methods to making it I've tested the difference in butane percentages in crumble, taffy, goo, and glass, the purest form of wax is crumble, if that wax doesn't fully purge it won't taste good, and can actually make yo u sick after smoking it for an extensive time periods, he needs to put that on some heat and see if it will Turn, I wouldnt smoke that wax if I were you bad bad bad sore throat will occur "

So I can imagine that this is the kind of sales pitch he spews to dispensaries as well, who then repeat this kind of nonsense to patients.

 

[vapeman24]

Hoping for the demand to go away because I am tired of people asking if I can make wax (also embarassingly the answer to this question is no).

Haha I have a feeling people will never learn. I had to break my own rule when working with my last clinic. I had to make 50% of the product into budder which I had trouble doing. It's hard for me to fuck up enough to the point my product turns into wax/budder haha.

 

[Hash Man]

I am using a closed system, but pre-freeze the tubes of plant material as well as chill my tank of butane with dry ice.

I have been wondering whether I am wasting my time freezing the columns of plant material because the butane is already so cold. It sounds like you are saying that if I am running cold butane (under 0F in the tank), then I don't need to be sticking my tubes in the freezer.

Really hoping that dewaxed shatter catches on more quickly here. I think wax and budder is only favored because of misinformation spread by ghetto whippers. This is what somebody had to say about my shatter earlier this week (he refers to all concentrate as "wax"):

"I've studied the methods to making it I've tested the difference in butane percentages in crumble, taffy, goo, and glass, the purest form of wax is crumble, if that wax doesn't fully purge it won't taste good, and can actually make yo u sick after smoking it for an extensive time periods, he needs to put that on some heat and see if it will Turn, I wouldnt smoke that wax if I were you bad bad bad sore throat will occur "

So I can imagine that this is the kind of sales pitch he spews to dispensaries as well, who then repeat this kind of nonsense to patients.

Try letting your extract rest overnight/hot water bath @ 120 after blasting before heating in the oven. I was burning everything before i tried it.

 

[nakadashi]

Try letting your extract rest overnight/hot water bath @ 120 after blasting before heating in the oven. I was burning everything before i tried it.

Thanks for the advice. So a low heat only purge overnight before doing a vac purge?

Are you setting your vac oven to 120?

 

[Hash Man]

Thanks for the advice. So a low heat only purge overnight before doing a vac purge?

Are you setting your vac oven to 120?

I am using a griddle with a Pyrex full of water with plastic lid in the bottom of it. Then i put the pyrex with the extract on top of that and let it heat to 120-130 until bubbles are popped. This will take an hour or less. Then collect and put in vac oven...

Or let the extract rest overnight after blasting and vac oven next day.

 

[slimjoint]

If you want honeycomb i made it without a vac for years
Make your oil, place collection dish on a double boiler on a griddle on low heat
After most the visible butane is gone give it a slight whip until the color is opaque and light and consistency is thicker, then just leave it there at 115-125 until its dry.
Also if you want a more apparant honeycomb texture make sure its a thick layer.
Ill post pics later of the product gotta find it.
And note it usually takes 5+ hours to have it fully dry.
All the butane bubbles escaping will give that texture.

 

[slimjoint]

 

[Hash Man]

If you want honeycomb i made it without a vac for years
Make your oil, place collection dish on a double boiler on a griddle on low heat
After most the visible butane is gone give it a slight whip until the color is opaque and light and consistency is thicker, then just leave it there at 115-125 until its dry.
Also if you want a more apparant honeycomb texture make sure its a thick layer.
Ill post pics later of the product gotta find it.
And note it usually takes 5+ hours to have it fully dry.
All the butane bubbles escaping will give that texture.

Nice! Been wanting this info. Thnx a bunch. Even tho its immediately whipped it better purged than mine with a sheen on it. Is it working every time or less consistently?

 

[slimjoint]

Method is consistent, although really terpy strains wont do get stable or will just take longer to do, use ir thermometer to keep eye on temps. And only whip until you feel the consistency get thick. When it starts to honeycomb you can hear the butane escaping. Sounds like soda fizzing. No sound + dry texture = complete

 

[nakadashi]

Nice! Been wanting this info. Thnx a bunch. Even tho its immediately whipped it better purged than mine with a sheen on it. Is it working every time or less consistently?

Isn't this already part of your technique? Based on slimjoint's advice I would think that when u leave oil on the double boiler overnight @ 120F with no vac it should turn into honeycomb ..

 

[Hash Man]

Isn't this already part of your technique? Based on slimjoint's advice I would think that when u leave oil on the double boiler overnight @ 120F with no vac it should turn into honeycomb ..

I never have whipped it so early in the purge process. I have always tried to purge down to shatter. Also, I dont think i have a "tek" yet. I still am struggling to get light colored waxes and crystal clear shatter.

The only reason i gave any advice to you about your burnt patty is because i went through months of creating stuff like that and wasted straight L's.... So take my advice with a grain of salt plz.

Slimjoint- I tried your method and I am almost done as of now. its a little darker than i would like. I noticed during the initial whip, a really offwhite color, i kept whipping, and it got a little darker... Did I overwhip or whip at the wrong time? I am using a seedling heating mat with thermostat. The extract was around 115 all night, and the seedling mat was registering around 130.



"You must spread some reputation before giving it to Slimjoint again"

Not sure why anyone would negative rep for honest information.
Again, that wax looks more purged than the stuff i have been making; so even tho its not vacuumed, I don't hate on the process. I am gonna try again today and touch the extract even less....

 

[nakadashi]

Was browsing around another forum and I saw some info that may help you Hash man.

"Originally Posted by Fadedawg View Post
110F is a little low for the bubbles to readily escape. I like to purge at 115F, and then lower the temperature to blow up muffins.

If you are trying to make wax, it is more like tempering chocolate, where you vacuum off the volatiles at low temperature and then continue to ratchet the temperature up in ten degree increments, and vacuum off the volatiles, until the oil becomes a hydrate. Usually before you hit 140F.

I would also raise the pressure some, because THC boils at 104F under 29.88" vacuum. You can do that by opening your back fill valve slightly and bleeding in air."

Also, I was vaccing a slab of shatter yesterday and part of it turned into wax I am almost certain it was due to my carelessness in getting moisture into the slab as I was transferring it to purging container.

Perhaps whipping over a double boiler helps introduce necessary moisture?

I am now pre-heating everything prior to vac per your recommendation and I definitely see improvements! Thank you.

 

[Hash Man]

Is fadedawg Graywolf over on tc? I have read that post before, but it takes a different meaning now rereading it. Thanks for posting it.

If its possible to make a nice honeycomb without a vac, its possible with a vacuum, but the change in boiling point creates the most confusion. Coupled with the issues the AI ovens seem to have when increasing temps. I have started to increase my temperatures when the oven is already over the desired temp i have set. So if i have my oven set to 115 and it has overshot to 120.2, i will reset it to 120 if i want to keep away from the temperature swings these ovens can go through when i want to change my temperature.

One thing i find interesting is that if I go straight from extractor to vacuum oven, I always get a burnt patty like the one u posted nakadahi, but if i let it set overnight/double boil it down/whip it, then at that point the extract can take higher temps without getting burned.

 

[nakadashi]

Not 100% sure FadeDawg is GW but seems very much like it. Also it was not TC but RIU. If you search the quote you can find the thread, it was about someone being unable to finish purging even after 80+ hours under deep vac.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Fadedawg and Graywolf are one and the same. No Graywolf name available on RIU.

 

[Hash Man]

Lol iwas pretty sure that was u GW.

On another note, whoever keeps negatve repping any comment related to whipping anonymosly- why dont you post some helpful information if you are such an expert on what is helpful or not. Post up some bomb wax or negatve rep me to my face, that would be helpful.

 

[Hash Man]

Thought i burned it.

Thought i burned it.

but i didnt.


I had a brownie last night, not a cookie of wax.... So i just left it in my crockpot set on low all night. Woke up to a fully melted shatter looking, awesome smelling extract that was at around 140 all night. I whipped it up (keep hating if u cant handle it) and put it in my vac oven with no extra heat and bam, hours later came back to this budder that taste like the killer queen buds i used to make it... that were 11 months old BTW.

Anyone have experience wth making whipped budder in a vac oven?

Now that i finally have something asthetically acceptable and awesome tasting, i will finally start using material from my outdoor harvest... maybe even some nugs.

Again- whoever is negative rep snyping me for talking about whipping- you obviously have nothing to contribute here. I'm gonna keep doing what I am doing, trying to learn how to transform extractions into awesome waxes and shatters. I am not on here claiming to be a master, I am here to learn. So either help me out or or at least come out say who you are and school me on why whipped, fully purged shatter, is so bad. You are helping noone by snyping posts about whipping, except maybe your own ego, which is a different issue entirely.

When i negative rep someone, i do it publicly, not in a passive aggressive manner FWIW.