Has Anyone Tried The OG Vertical Reflector?

[knightmare3d]

finishing with og

finishing with og

has any one finished there grow with the o.g air cooled hood?
i would like to know if it was good or bad? because im thinking about getting them.

 

[legalnug]

A few months ago I bought the Luxor and took it back the next day. It weighs 38 pounds, it's way too tall, it ran way too hot. Amazing patch tho.

I recently bought the OG and here's my first impressions.
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-Good-
Smaller and lighter than the Luxor.
Measures 22x22x17, then add a few inches for the ports. Only 17 inches high. Felt about 25 pounds to me.
I have a 1000w in it, and the entire unit is cool to the touch.
This hood supposedly doubles the lumen output from my Magnum.
If you ran a 400 or a 600, it would double the lumens and you could get the plants closer saving power...but the patch shrinks.


-The Bad-
I CANNOT run a normal MH bulb, when the fan runs it contracts the heat shield & it rubs on the bulb. HPS is fine.
I found a couple small leaks.


I'm going to see if I can borrow a light meter & see what it reads. I like it so far.

These are made in California I think, I got mine in Oregon for $210 carryout. He said he could go $190 per for a pallet of 10.

I think some people will love them, others not so much. I would like to see what a 600w OG hps could do to nice scrog.

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Just in case you see this..... Where in Oregon did you get your OG hood? #210 / $190 is GREAT price!

 

[kpass]

any more updates on these from people who have used them or seen them in action?

just about to invest.

cheers

k

 

[habeeb]

The Luxor is supposed to be one of the best reflectors out there, it's vertical too: Ultimate Reflector Test and Guide

I'm looking into reflectors for 400 watt MH bulbs for vegging. Instead of 16 T5 bulbs putting out 80,000 lumens using 864 watts @ 92.6 lumens/watt efficiency - using 2 400 watt MH (Digilux) bulbs puts out 90,000 lumens using 800 watts and 112.5 lumens/watt or a 25% increase in efficiency over the T5s.

Personally right now I like the Bell Lighting LR400 MV reflector or the Blockbuster 6" - no glass.

Thanks for that link.. I love the shit ass chepo reflector winning out over others.. haha

I like my bell hood, thing is I think they need to update there damn design. it's like.. well what I think living in the 60's was like, if there was hoods back then..

-shit for glass holding
-shit for hanging
-metal screws all though-out the inside of the reflector!
-junction box for holding the ceramic socket is way too large for the reflector size, they need to pull it out the outside, thus eliminating one vent also

 

[Stonefree69]

Thanks for that link.. I love the shit ass chepo reflector winning out over others.. haha

I like my bell hood, thing is I think they need to update there damn design. it's like.. well what I think living in the 60's was like, if there was hoods back then..

-shit for glass holding
-shit for hanging
-metal screws all though-out the inside of the reflector!
-junction box for holding the ceramic socket is way too large for the reflector size, they need to pull it out the outside, thus eliminating one vent also

I like their use of material in the Bell hoods as the aluminum oxidizes and dulls over time and that adds to cost and maintenance.

LOL yeah but maybe they designed it after the Jetsons. But I don't use glass or need a big vent hole - 4" is perfect for me. I just use a small fan to get heat away and then use an 8" centrifugal w/filter to vent out of grow area. Even a fan like this works great w/another 8” centrigual fan to get heat out of room:

All my duct work is maybe 3' in my veg area and 1' in my flower area, I just use bare bulb in flower and that puts light around 360 degrees from 12-24” which no hood can do.

They also didn't test the Big Daddy 3'x3' hood and I think it's a cousin or similar design as the Raptor.


HID reflectors (veg room)
Bell LRC-400 batwing reflector
Bell Lighting LR400 MV reflector
Bell WCG-LR-1000 MV reflector
Sun System Blockbuster 6" reflector (w/cheap 6" duct fan to assist w/venting)
Radiant
Adjust-A-Wing

Someone here @ ICMag also did a very nice DIY Orca grow film hood made from insulating foamboard. A 4'x8' sheet 1 1/2"-2" thick is only about $12-20 at Lowes or Home Depot. You don't need a specific shape like a parabola because the Orca grow film is made to reflect light at many different incident angles (kinda like snow w/crystalline structure).





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[AussieHydro]

solarpwrd .. good question ... i have and i think they suck

they have a very strong center that can fuk up nugs at 3ft away.. too heavy for me too.. light spread is wack

Myself and I bet many others are wondering why your experience and feedback seem to be so different than almost everybody else. If out of say 50 people, 47 have the same product and are getting great results, then at the risk of sounding rude, we would have to assume those 3 are doing something really wrong, or more to the point, quite different. I expect your setup is quite different to most of the others, which is of course fine.

 

[Jimmy Luffnan]

Apologies for bringing this thread to light again, just stumbled upon it

I have had the luxury of testing all of the OG's over the last few years and they are very effective for a reflector.

I personally am not a fan of reflectors or any kind of glass as I prefer bare vertical bulbs, but if you are doing SCROG... these absolutely shine!

The '600w will outperform 1000w' comparison claim is quite accurate in our findings.

SCROG setup was 5x5 in a tent 2 meter tent.

Running a 600w, the light intensity (not the heat) was too much even when the reflector was at maximum height and we had to literally chain it to the top bar for extra height.

Heat management was fine, turned the 600w into 1000w ferocity.... but even at max height, there was still significant bleaching to the top of the dominants.
So reflectivity was the best I have ever seen for a hood.

We actually changed out to a 400w and got the best results.

So went from 2x 600w cool tubes over a 5x5 scrog... down to a single 400w OG with slightly better results and excellent coverage.

Like I said, not a fan of reflection... but a big fan of these. Never had negative feedback once

Cheers!

 

[AussieHydro]

Excellent feedback, thanks Jimmy.

 

[Storm Shadow]

They are complete shwag and belong in the recycling bin....Horrible footprint ... will nuke the hell out of your tops...and the BS about the 600 outperforming the 1000w is a huge lie

 

[papaduc]

Apologies for bringing this thread to light again, just stumbled upon it

I have had the luxury of testing all of the OG's over the last few years and they are very effective for a reflector.

I personally am not a fan of reflectors or any kind of glass as I prefer bare vertical bulbs, but if you are doing SCROG... these absolutely shine!

The '600w will outperform 1000w' comparison claim is quite accurate in our findings.

SCROG setup was 5x5 in a tent 2 meter tent.

Running a 600w, the light intensity (not the heat) was too much even when the reflector was at maximum height and we had to literally chain it to the top bar for extra height.

Heat management was fine, turned the 600w into 1000w ferocity.... but even at max height, there was still significant bleaching to the top of the dominants.
So reflectivity was the best I have ever seen for a hood.

We actually changed out to a 400w and got the best results.

So went from 2x 600w cool tubes over a 5x5 scrog... down to a single 400w OG with slightly better results and excellent coverage.

Like I said, not a fan of reflection... but a big fan of these. Never had negative feedback once

Cheers!

If people can't use logic and common sense to cut through obviously BS claims, companies will always make stupid money on gimmicks like this.

If direct light won't bleach a bud from a set distance, how does reflected light?

And if a 400w bulb is out-performing a 1000, then it only tells you that that particular environment can't maintain 1000w pf heat. Not that the makers of this hood have figured a way to redefine the laws of physics.

This looks big, heavy, and clumsy, and to be honest, the dimpled reflective material they've got lining it is exactly that which you will find in a budget reflector.

I use a bare bulb now, but I've got to say the best vertically-fixed-bulb hood I have ever used, for sheer reflectivity, is the grostar. By miles. If you're after this kind of design, without doubt, look up one of those.

 

[Jimmy Luffnan]

Yes Storm Shadow, you are correct about 'nuking the tops'
I should have clarified a little better by saying that the inner 1.5ft section of the tops suffered the bleaching so there is significantly more intensity to the middle of the growing area.
If you raised the hood higher this would decrease and give better spread.

But please dont confuse that a 600w will 'outperform' a 1000w... I was trying to tell you that when we ran the 1000w it was just too much for the plants at the maximum light.
The plants suffered light stress, not heat stress as we run A/C room and duct 72F A/C air through the hoods and out.
We also run foliar products to help the leaves take in as much light as possible without stress.
My point is that we could run a 400w OG in the end and get the same results as 1000w under a batwing reflector.
Height/spread is what needs to be addressed with these reflectors, not heat.

As I already said, I love bare bulbs to the end, but this is an impressive reflector if you were looking for one

Cheers Jimmy.

 

[Jimmy Luffnan]

Oh and Storm Shadow, I noticed you invested in quite a few of these in your op.
Could you please tell us in detail what happened in you're experience that made you're experience a bad one?

I personally dont care for manufacturers claims... for me the proof is in the pudding

Cheers Jimmy.

 

[papaduc]

My point is that we could run a 400w OG in the end and get the same results as 1000w under a batwing reflector.

I think you need to clarify that point. Because it still sounds like you're saying a 400w bulb in this reflector outperformed a 1000w bulb in a batwing in a fair side by side test. That's how I read it anyway.

Because there's no way a 400w bulb in any reflector outperforms a 1000w light in even the cheapest budget reflector. Not unless the space just can't properly make use of 1000w.

 

[rives]

If people can't use logic and common sense to cut through obviously BS claims, companies will always make stupid money on gimmicks like this.

If direct light won't bleach a bud from a set distance, how does reflected light?

I don't know about a 400 outperforming a 1000, but in the above statement you aren't taking into account the ability of the reflector to focus the light. In industrial high-bay lighting, a bare bulb would result in barely any light reaching the target area because of it's wide distribution. A vertical lamp reflector will take that same light and focus it into a relatively small area with much more intense lighting as a result.

 

[papaduc]

Rives, I think you misinterpreted what I meant, or maybe I worded it badly.

I've used a grostar reflector and the mirror like reflection can cause bleaching and striping even at the edge of the canopy, so I appreciate how reflected light can have that effect.

But that is only if the bud/leaf is in close proximity to the surface which is reflecting the light.

What I mean is not from a set distance.

If a 1000w light hung vertically in a hood is causing bleaching when set at max height, that tells me it's much more likely the distance between the light and the top buds wasn't enough, or the heat build up was an issue. Even if it is the case that the light is focused so intensely in a set area that it will bleach the buds, that is bad design.

The space that 1000w should cover and light up properly will mean the light is divided well over that whole space. That is the whole point in reflector design and the main reason for vertical reflectors like the grostar or parabolic etc.

In which case it is a simple matter of physics that a 1000w bulb, properly hung to illuminate that area, will not bleach the whole canopy of top buds. It's physically impossible.

 

[spunion]

If u watch the OG vs xxl comparison to me looks like the xxl is much brighter, but the two of the light meters on the OG side have twice the value as the xxl...weird

I find the OG vert design to be very weird. With vertical hanging lamps, you're not getting good light directly below it. This reflector is all reflection lighting. Its hard to say if plants would respond better to a higher meter reading from reflected light or a lower reading from direct light.

I don't have enough experience to have a valid opinion, but I have read plants generally always respond better to pebbled reflection as opposed to mirror reflection. Obviously the OG is an interesting mix of both.

 

[rives]

I think that it would be very interesting to see how one of these would perform with a Philips 315w CDM lamp. It seems as though you could target a 4x4 area pretty accurately with the reflector, and good things might follow......

 

[bassfreq]

Well, I just saw a couple of youtube clips from the guys at Growlite comparing their OG Vertical against the Luxor and Magnum XXXL and it completely blows away the competition!! I suppose the decision to go for the OG Vertical is a given after this.!!

Are you serious dude? Are you 10 years old or something, or do you not have enough intelligence to know that a -vs- test done by one of the participating companies is going to be skewed to their benefit. I feel sorry for folks like you .

 

[Stephenj37826]

They are complete shwag and belong in the recycling bin....Horrible footprint ... will nuke the hell out of your tops...and the BS about the 600 outperforming the 1000w is a huge lie

Hey just a quick question. Did you use a socket extension with the 600?
I have the Chinese knock off and the socket adjusts down for 600. My 1000 ballast went out and I had to use the 600 as backup. Until I lowered the bulb in the reflector it was very focused. The bulb needs to be as close as possible to the glass for best coverage. The 600 was still really brigh once I lowered it. I have taken the glass off mine and I let the bulb hang out of the reflector. In my 4x4 the lux is over 100k at center and 45k at the edges this way. So I believe it is an awesome reflector for a 4x4 space.

 

[krunchbubble]

Just saw my reflector on the side of the house...

Collecting dust...