Avi's Fresh Start

[Avinash.miles]

shit
some issue in the bucket system... root rot i think, one plant drooping bad, like overwatered if it were soil

quick advice anyone?

soil plants are bangin out proper of course...
ill get some pics of the good the bad AND the ugly asap....

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

Root rot u say..........

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

Whats ur cycle times...how long an how often? Water temps? How long does it take till the last bucket on the line is filled during the cycle?

 

[Avinash.miles]

Root rot u say..........

ya, roots not looking super white....

 

[SRGB]

Avinash.miles:

shit
some issue in the bucket system... root rot i think, one plant drooping bad, like overwatered if it were soil

quick advice anyone?

soil plants are bangin out proper of course...
ill get some pics of the good the bad AND the ugly asap....

--

ya, roots not looking super white....



Hi, Avinash.miles.

Perhaps the gardener might consider lowering the solution level in the outer container, adding an air line to each unit, adding a small amount of H202 to cycle through, or a combination of the above; to permit or introduce a greater amount of oxygen into the root zone.

Best,
/SRGB/

 

[Avinash.miles]

thanks srgb
cleaning & changing the rez now,
what concentration of h202 to help with this?

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

Sorry to hear about your troubles in the bucket system.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

shit
some issue in the bucket system... root rot i think, one plant drooping bad, like overwatered if it were soil

quick advice anyone?

soil plants are bangin out proper of course...
ill get some pics of the good the bad AND the ugly asap....

Sorry I cant give advice on bucket systems and root rot.
I will say this though. Thats what scares the hell out of me and stops me from switching to hydro systems. Even DWC that seems simple scares me.
Even an extremely experienced gardener as yourself will face many issues with hydro that you wouldnt face in soil gardens.

Is the quicker veg times and bigger yields worth it if you loose a whole crop or even some plants in the process?
I hate lugging soil in and out and bringing in bugs from the FFOF soil, paying the high prices for each bag, but I always harvest a good tasty crop and got it dialed.
I sure hope you fix this quickly, and the roots are whiter and healthier than ever.

 

[Weed Killer]

I used to grow in lp aero so I fought root rot all the time. The two things that work the best for me are either chlorine or ewc tea


With chlorine I use pool shock at ½ teaspoon in a gallon of water to make the solution, then 1 oz of that per 5 gallons of nute solution. Need to add every 2-3 days.


A simple tea brewed 24 hours with just molasses and casings also works, need to redo once a week.


Sm-90 can be added as a preventative but can get pricey in large rez’s got that from DHF



Might look into a stock tank for a rez, very heavy duty. just need to make a lid.


Good luck.

 

[K.O.Genetics]

Avi.. nice man nice just wondering.. are the DEADHEAD OG F2s from cali .. or from some1 else that used there deadhead og and made f2s?

 

[hush]

I've had to deal with the root rot before. Great suggestions so far. Obviously the best solution is to find the cause, and you seem to have figured that out. Then to treat the beginning symptoms that you already see, go ahead and run some kind of an oxidizer through there. I always had good luck with h2o2, used it a fuck of a lot in my flood tables over the years. Sm90 kicks ass, and it will make the plants grow to gargantuan sizes (I'm not sure why!) after using it, but it totally works on root rot and a number of pests, like spider mites, for instance. It's very expensive though, and the only time I ever used it was when I worked at a hydro shop and could pretty much open whatever I wanted for store use. Those were the days.

For preventive purposes, I would stick with just adding h2o2 to the res on a regular basis, or the old chlorine method someone brought up already.

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

how much water sits in the bottom of the buckets when they are not on the flood cycle Avi? i had the same problems you are having and the solution was raising each individual bucket 1 1/2" so that when they were drained they were actually close to empty/dry.

i used the foil backed insulation sheet at home depot. cheap and easy to work with.

FWIW SM90 caused me problems. once it gets into the grow bucket it seems to float enough so that it does not drain back out and it builds up. makes for a nasty slime that harms more than it heals IME. but i never had those issues in a standard E+F table when i used it

 

[SRGB]

Avinash.miles:

thanks srgb
cleaning & changing the rez now,
what concentration of h202 to help with this?

Hi, Avinash.miles.

Regular 3 percent might be effective, at a tablespoon or two per gallon. If a greater percentage is applied, perhaps a teaspoon or less per gallon; also, please consider placing on gloves prior to dilution.

To raise the inner bucket/container, so that roots are not constantly submerged, it might be possible to simple affix a block of 2x4 or other piece of lumber, on either side of the outer bucket/container, which should allow the inner bucket/container lip to rest on the blocks of wood, instead of the outer bucket. A gardener could cut the wood to any dimensions they desire to achieve the appropriate `rise`. The riser might also permit the environmental oxygen to circulate into and out of the units, through the space created between the lip of the inner bucket - wood block - and top edge of the lower bucket/container.

Another option, though substantial, would be to switch the feed to a 24/7 (or less) top delivery, with the same type of riser affixed, so that drainage empties the bottom container entirely. With top-fed delivery, there might always be water/nutrient solution cascading through the media, without a constant accumulation at the bottom of the outer bucket, as it would drain 99-100% back to the central reservoir.

We hope that this post might be helpful.

Best,
/SRGB/

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

raising each individual bucket 1 1/2" so that when they were drained they were actually close to empty/dry.

whaaaaaaaaaa?

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

simple affix a block of 2x4 or other piece of lumber, on either side of the outer bucket/container, which should allow the inner bucket/container lip to rest on the blocks of wood, instead of the outer bucket. A gardener could cut the wood to any dimensions they desire to achieve the appropriate `rise`. The riser might also permit the environmental oxygen to circulate into and out of the units, through the space created between the lip of the inner bucket - wood block - and top edge of the lower bucket/container.

Nope, nope, nope.

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

whaaaaaaaaaa?

the buckets are never completely empty if they are on the same level as the controller. lift the buckets and they have less water standing in them during the "dry" part of the cycle.

 

[Avinash.miles]

I've raised the buckets, not quite 1.5 inches, but they drain nearly complete now, im gonna get some 2x4s next week and raise them all the propper amount,

thansk for the input yall,
arthitis sucks... as of now it feeds once ever 4 hours, lites on and off, 18/6 lites.

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

Dont feed at night unless your rockin monsters already imho, especially if your already running into root issues. I would cut out the night feeding. Raise em on 2x4's when ya can an get to em. Also some wood shims to give a slight tilt.

 

[Avinash.miles]

AND gonna get some 2" pvc and cut about 1.5 inch sections to separate bottom from top buckets a lil, allow air down there....

i like the idea of plastic in there better than wood.

also, i took clones today, got a buncha flo clones going, plus topped alot of the seeds, taking the top as a clone; 11 Deadhead OGK f2 cuts, 2 flo ogs, 1 blu ox, 2 loud 7/8 sours, several bay 11's (4?), also some buddah's sister in the mix....

cracking more seeds ( i can't stop...)
4 selfed Bruce Banner #3's from a pal in boulder
20 drizella Bx's (to whoever asked why im not running any of my own gear... now i am)

 

[SRGB]

Avinash.miles:

AND gonna get some 2" pvc and cut about 1.5 inch sections to separate bottom from top buckets a lil, allow air down there....

i like the idea of plastic in there better than wood.

Hi, Avinash.miles.

Inside of the buckets, or attached to the lip of either top or bottom bucket. We would probably try to avoid placing anything inside of the bucket that could be substituted for being affixed to the lip of the top or bottom bucket to create the rise.


[]....[] <-- 2x4. Top container rests on wood or other block, raised by height of block.
.|.....| <- Bottom container.
.|___|

Best,
/SRGB/