IF WE COULD LEGALLY GROW IN THE UK AND NORTHERN IRELAND?

[DemonPigeon]

im not going to get into an argument about laws but obviously you dont care about the law as you grow cannabis. thats why i dont understand why you would be happy to let the government to tell you what you can and cant do. i personally will continue to grow whatever the legal situation of this plant is regardless of what some prick in parliment says.

I'm not trying to challenge anyone but I grow cannabis and I do care about the law. If there was number where I could be certain I'd not face a fine or caution (or ideally confiscation) I'd stick to the law and sign petitions and write letters to parliament and go to protests.

As it is there's no guaranteed number where people are not at risk from having their name put on some kind of list of narcotic producing criminals.

If I could sign up as a legally self-medicating grower and grow 9 plants (or even as few as 4 or 5) without persecution or prosecution I'd be happy to stick to those numbers and keep working within the system to extend the limits.

Just because you feel one law is invalid or exploitative and you can't in good conscience adhere to it doesn't mean you hold the legal system in contempt.

I don't hate the political or legal system, the judiciary or the police. All of them have some (sometimes a lot of) corruption in them, all of them have signifficant problems with the way they're operated and obviously they all have bad people within them but not every police officer or politician is a bastard, not all of them want to enforce this damned prohibition but it's their job so they do it.

I'm only a criminal because the law gives me no other choice, if it gave me a limited choice I'd say "that's a start, let's see where this goes".

I think a lot of us feel the same?

 

[willyweed]

well put demonpigeon
It is very hard to differentiate individual needs ,but to have no limit, imo would not and has not worked anywhere to the best of my knowledge ! and for this reason alone could never work in the uk.so i am going to rule this out as unrealistic ,then we are with limit's ,like it or not ! i like the sound of limiting it to so many watts in flower,with no limit on mother plants not sure about outdoor growing limits, or if push came to shove up to 25 mother plants ,purely for breeding purposes .

 

[Citizens Aux PD]

It is very hard to differentiate individual needs but to have no limit, imo would not and has not worked anywhere to the best of my knowledge! and for this reason alone could never work in the uk. so i am going to rule this out as unrealistic...

Where has the no-limit approach ever been tried?

You say it hasn't worked anywhere but I don't recall it having been tried anywhere in the last 80 - 100 years.

I am not being argumentative. If you know of places where this has happened, please tell us and tell us why & how the no-limit approach failed.

I am sincerely curious to find out.

In the meantime, there should be no limits for personal use---and the use should honestly be personal and not secretly commercial.

If someone wants to grow for sale, then they should have to register with the government and be willing to pay their fair share of taxes. Marijuana would be a legal commodity. You'd pay taxes on profits of sales of oranges or grapes you have grown, so it's not unreasonable to pay taxes on the profits you make from marijuana.

The whole plant-count thing can be swayed by countless variables such as males & hermies & runts...

The whole plant-count thing, it just feels really bad. It feels subservient. It allows for unscheduled inspections...It allows for an invasion of privacy...It allows for an insult & offence against our basic human dignity...It lets mutherfuckers come busting into your place to count how many plants you have because some vindictive girlfriend said you had 100s...and blah blah blah.

 

[DemonPigeon]

I think a watt limit for flowering would mean people'd get into green houses

Also it'd be tough to make sure people stick to the watt limit so you know some people would break it without it bothering them. Also if you don't limit veg lighting people will just grow them massive with hundreds of lights before flower.
And then there's how you limit it, no other plants have lighting restrictions, if they restrict sales of bulbs or lights that'd be tough on people who grow anything else indoors (I grow Salvia Divinorum under CFL).


The thing about cannabis is if all planted out large plantations we would take away the potential for government taxes on legal commercial grows and you know that'd put us back to being criminalised, the government don't like it

I'd say a plant limit is better than a Watt limit, while I'd love to keep hundreds of mother plants to give me lots of breeding choices I do think that people in power might think that seemed like a hell of a lot, believe me I wish I still had my VBT mother and had revegged the best of my Huckleberry Hounds for cloning and that's just plants I wish I'd kept from my last grow

Basically we're all going to want a hundred of our best pieces of work to hold onto forever... because basically we're hoarders
I literally am a hoarder and using weed helps me stop hoarding pretty much anything... except plants ;-)

There probably should be a mother plant limit but maybe we could restrict it like hunting? You want to hunt with less restrictions on guns, area etc.
Then you need to get an NVQ in it, the more lessons you take and qualifications you pass the higher the limit, afterall we want breeders who know what they're doing ;-)

So why not make it:
up to 5 plants - without any paperwork (not everyone likes to sign up and I'd rather the press not be able to say legalisation doesn't stop us being criminals)
10 plants - register as a grower and state who it's for (either personal use or medical for stated friend/family members to use)
25 plants (with up to 10 in flower) - cannabis growing NVQ level 1
50 plants (with up to 25 in flower) - Cannabis growing NVQ level 2
100 plants (with up to 25 in flower) - Cannabis Breeder qualification

 

[willyweed]

citizens aux pd , i do like the way you are thinking, what i meant, saying the no limit had not worked .because in the 4-6 places in the civilised world that have legal growing,they have all had limits ,so no it has not been tried ,but surely for common sense reasons !
i personally do not want cannabis cafe's across the country or it getting into the hands of children either or money going into organised crime,which no matter what anybody on here say's is not happening.when it is ! it is great that we even have the ic mag to help bring us together to discuss this reasonably !
It feels subservient,that's because it would be! but most things that happen in this country are regulated ! and for good reason. i would not want it either ,but would accept it if it were reasonable? regulation is general, works more than it does not work !
but a big thanks for the input, great to here what other's think also

 

[willyweed]

demonpigeon,brilliant ,i like reading what you write very much
it's great to here what other's are thinking,my goal's are very simple.
you totally blew my light limit out of the water,or rather out of the tent.which i do not mind!
and i like your NVQ idea ,i always thought it stood for: not very qualified ,but still more qualified than nothing!.all the best and keep the idea's coming please! thanks willyweed

 

[GMT]

If we could legally grow in the uk and ni ,what do you think would be fair guide lines for the new law?
i will go first !
currently 9 plants non commercial :

What do you mean by currently 9 plants?

Have i missed something? I'm under the impression that 1 plant is still illegal.

 

[DemonPigeon]

What do you mean by currently 9 plants?

Have i missed something? I'm under the impression that 1 plant is still illegal.

I'm sure you know the common misconception that 9 plants or under won't result in punishment

Not quite true, but 1-9 plants (assuming you don't exceed 40g yields per plant, so adjust to your-average-yield/40g=number-of-plants [as long as it is not exceeding 9] ) with no evidence of dealing will likely only get you communiry service under 2009 (I think?) sentencing guidlines

 

[jaded1]

1 plant is still illegal GMT but getting caught with less than 9 will mean that you don't get banged up.

Seems like they've finally caved in on the herbal cannabis has no medical uses as they are now allowing patients to import bedrocan from Holland.

 

[DemonPigeon]

1 plant is still illegal GMT but getting caught with less than 9 will mean that you don't get banged up.

Seems like they've finally caved in on the herbal cannabis has no medical uses as they are now allowing patients to import bedrocan from Holland.

It's not actually our government :-(

"The Schenegen Agreement" says EU citizens can take their prescribed medications anywhere within the EU, I think you can have three months worth at a time which is estimated at ~80 grams, you need a Dutch doctor to prescribe it and it works with Bedrocan only because it's recognized by the netherlands as a properly produced medicine, you can't bring back skunk or haze instead.

Basically it's only because of the EU,
and as I write these words I can feel a few of you reconsidering your political affiliations to make sure the EU treaties don't dissapear ;-)

 

[jaded1]

DP,they are now allowing british citizens to purchase 6 months supply,you have to get a private prescription from your doc(may not be easy but there are people who will help you find a doc that will)for bedrocan and as long as you have the paperwork they are allowing it.

Check on clear-uk.org as that is where i read it.

 

[Dope time]

Yea legalisation would be cool.There would be loads against the Propersition tho
Saw a programme 'tother night about ppl opposed to the ganja being Newly legalised in Certain states of The USA
Kink of agree.If Ganj was legal the place would NOT benefit rather THE GANJA would take Pride of place in many communities and there would be loads of Zombies lol.
And then to think of the Intoxicated Drivers!?..

 

[GMT]

if we are going on guidelines, then yes, with a recognised health condition, less than 9 with no evidence of dealing gets thrown out of court and all charges are dismissed. But my front door cost me over a grand including fitting, and that gets destroyed in the process. So it's not like there is no punishment.

 

[Piff Rhys Jones]

Http://www.clear-uk.org/legal-medicinal-cannabis-in-britain-achieved/

I remember reading about the free movement of medicine within the EU a few years ago but no one had the balls to test it out at the time (understandably).

Sounds like this guy has acted as our guinea pig and pulled it off. This article, if true, is very positive indeed.

Peace

 

[Harry Lime]

Slightly off topic but here's an interesting read from the papers last weekend about cost benefits to the state of legalisation.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/15/legal-cannabis-market-worth

 

[G-MAN-420]

they want the whole pie, not just a slice.

 

[Harry Lime]

Http://www.clear-uk.org/legal-medicinal-cannabis-in-britain-achieved/

I remember reading about the free movement of medicine within the EU a few years ago but no one had the balls to test it out at the time (understandably).

Sounds like this guy has acted as our guinea pig and pulled it off. This article, if true, is very positive indeed.

Peace

That's an interesting article, Piff. I've never seen that site either so thanks for that.

How is this bedrocan used? is it in a tablet form?

 

[MJBadger]

If we could grow legally in uk & Ireland they need to change some laws coz the rippers will be in heaven & I want to legally protect my plants .

 

[Piff Rhys Jones]

That's an interesting article, Piff. I've never seen that site either so thanks for that.

How is this bedrocan used? is it in a tablet form?

www.bedrocan.nl/producten/bedrobinol.html

The site's in dutch but it's their own 12% thc strain commissioned by the government. Strange that it's less than 1% cbd, as I understood cbd to be just as medicinal.

I wonder if the uk border agency can tell the difference between bedrocan buds and haze?

Peace

 

[DemonPigeon]

if we are going on guidelines, then yes, with a recognised health condition, less than 9 with no evidence of dealing gets thrown out of court and all charges are dismissed. But my front door cost me over a grand including fitting, and that gets destroyed in the process. So it's not like there is no punishment.

Yeah that sounds an expensive thing, for me the potential for caution is more worrying. I always freak out about getting caught so I don't feel it is ok to get caught with 9.

How cool must your door be? I want to think it's got a portculis or something

I suppose if there's anyone around here who regularly gets caught it might be worth them installing a "copper-flap".