Why aren´t more of you growing ROLS

[bigshrimp]

I have multiple patients that tell me they won't get their medicine from anywhere else. I have a responsibility to provide quality clean meds to them. There are plenty of benefits to growing organic, but that's the trump card for me.

Oh yeah, im in a highly competitive market too......

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

because watching a dozen guys kiss each others ass and attack any and every other grow method is a fucking buzzkill ?


or is it that the re-use of soil is not all that "cutting edge" anyway since more than one of us has been doing it for a long time ?

no offense meant to anyone, but the whole "groupie/bully/we are more well read and evolved than everybody" bullshit got old really fucking fast

it was like botanical racism

like it or not good information can be eclipsed by fucked up attitudes and elitist crap rather quickly

 

[DARC MIND]

what was that saying?
"you catch more bee's with honey"

 

[TheArchitect]

If ionic salts are dangerous nasty chemicals, you better check your food labels, they hide that nasty sodium chloride in everything....


I love me some hydro

I love me some organic soil


I just fucking love growing plants...







Btw, the only pesticide in my garden is pyretherin which only gets used in veg as a spray for the top of the media, and only in the case of bad infestations, otherwise nematodes are great.

 

[bigshrimp]

Yeah well all thier " elitist crap" at least kept the douchbags and retards out of the organic soil forum.

 

[Weird]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi84maqHgxg

 

[G.Goo]

And you produce this fast growing chemical mess for your patients you care so much about??????

Or for the quick buck?

And if you think that organic soil has a slow growth rate then you were not using the correct methods.

V

No moron, I produce 5-8oz (DRY) per plant for myself and my wife . Love ICM know it all's .No wonder this place has such a reputation at other forums.
Love ppl like u ."Those who don't do things like u ,So u open your mouth with something to say" Don't act like u know what I do in the real world

Von after reading through your post . I see you get off on being negative . Welcome to ignore buddy "The glass is half full over here"

Wanna see who can yield more under a 600w ,Von? . DWC , RDWC will crush your ROLS

Wouldn't have called u a moron if u didn't act like u knew me personally when u don't. U have no idea on what I do with my meds. I know one thing I don't sell it or give to anyone who is on a death bed sick

 

[Weird]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi84maqHgxg

so nice i played it twice

 

[Weird]

guys who grow flowers and the egos that go along with it, hasn't any one grown past this yet?

if you haven't mastered all forms of growing then your comments should be contained to your own personal observations

the minute it deviates it goes from ROLS to EGOS in a few short words

it happens from all sides so don't think your exempt

part of being a medical provider, a healer if you would, is healing your own mind so you can remain productively objective

so much negativity based on personal projection, its lowering the bar instead of raising it

 

[G.Goo]

guys who grow flowers and the egos that go along with it, hasn't any one grown past this yet?

if you haven't mastered all forms of growing then your comments should be contained to your own personal observations

the minute it deviates it goes from ROLS to EGOS in a few short words

it happens from all sides so don't think your exempt

part of being a medical provider, a healer if you would, is healing your own mind so you can remain productively objective

so much negativity based on personal projection, its lowering the bar instead of raising it

Exactly I started with Ask Ed in back of HT mags 15years ago. Soil got old and boring to me . Grew like that 7yrs , organic chem both in soilless mixes . Hydro gives me more control and like stated something goes wrong .Just dump the res start over . Not counting speed of growth and yields I get over soil soilless methods.

Why even start a thread if your going to be negative about the reply ppl give u . Defeats the purpose

 

[unclefishstick]

i grew using recycled soil years ago before it had a cool acronym and while i admit i had little clue what i was doing i worked at it for 3-4 years before giving up...too hard to source ingredients,one too many cases of guano lung,way too many fungus gnats,way too many disappointing yields...i realize it was 90% my ignorance causing most of it,but since i switched to (dirty word coming up,hide the children) veganics all those troubles went away...not to mention keeping my 200 houseplants and cactus happy...
outdoors in the veggie garden its organics 100%,im moving 3000 lbs of compost right now in fact,all my root balls go into the gardens,and as soon as i can get a chipper,all the garden waste will go into compost...but for indoors,im sticking with the veganics...

 

[gaiusmarius]

i think part of the hesitation to embrace this method comes from people knowing their present system inside and out and realizing that any change to a new system will involve a learning process, or even complete change of set up infrastructure to accommodate the big soil containers. the other thing is the sheer amounts of medium needed is discouraging for an indoor grower. then you need lots of room to keep your 30 different amendments stored and space to make your mixture. the possibility of getting it wrong and messing up your yields and the worry that the soil will still deteriorate with time even if it's not supposed to. i think all this kind of thinking is what makes people hesitate to jump in with both feet. still i have to say i do love the idea of water only runs being possible, specially if you can use the soil multiple times. nothing worse then needing new medium every run.

 

[Tela]

who is winning cannabis cups using rols?

 

[jaded1]

Soma's won a few!

 

[OrganicOzarks]

who is winning cannabis cups using rols?

This is perfect for this thread. As if the ego's were not enough, now you bring up an ego competition. Jesus fucking christ.

Someone bin this shit.

 

[xmobotx]

thread seems to be shaking & tottering around a bit but; still on it's feet

just seeing a recovery from the chem vs organic {plants dont know the difference in ionic NPK} is kind of heartening

lol @ cannabis cups

 

[VerdantGreen]

I think that the issues of senescence and the plants fading nicely for the best smoking experience is one that may make some people hesitant about ROLS. It seems to be a very touchy subject amongst some of those guys, they are very quick to jump down your throat if you bring up the subject of Nitrogen depletion (or lack thereof) and plants yellowing before harvest in recycled soil and no-till. Its the elephant in the room imo.
Just before the big ROLS exodus from here i felt pretty much ostracised from that group after one of the 'big players' started snarking at me because i proved that i could use Nitrogen depletion to trigger senescence in my version of recycled soil.

Of course if you are happy with your buds then thats great, no problem, but i've seen some harvest pics of ROLS and no-till plants that are still way too green for my tastes, and despite all the defensive aggression, denial that it matters, and assertions that the plant will fade out naturally in a fully amended ROLS soil, i've seen some harvest pics of plants that i would personally not be satisfied with. In an ideal world i want the bud leaves to go yellow/light green as well as the fans to be completely cannibalised by the plant.

feel free to prove me wrong guys by posting up pics, im just not completely convinced yet.

VG

 

[EclipseFour20]

Two reasons I don't "ROLS":
1. Cost. My custom growing medium ingredients (fresh and never used) currently is averaging $4/cu ft (Fox Farm Ocean Fresh...if I wanted it...would cost me around $8-9). Since the ROLS method requires additional time/energy and footprint/space to "condition" the soil--not to mention the need for batch testing (consistency of fertility, ph, bacteria of each batch is important for me)...I estimate these costs will hover between $10-20/cu ft, or about 3-5 times more.

2. Yield/Quality. Since I have great yields and consistently producing top-drawer meds, why would a sane person spend more $$$--to only produce the same (or lessor) quality/quantity? Now...if my cost was north of $20/cu ft, you bet I would be looking at other alternatives--including ROLS.

Is ROLS honorable (recycling)? Yes. Is ROLS superior (compared to my growing medium)? No.

And...that's the way I Roll, cheers!

 

[SpicySativa]

Plants don't absorb the ammonia or the nitrate they only want the nitrogen. It does not matter to them. Do you understand? You are misinformed. We don't smoke roots. You might grow really good carrots though. LOL!!!

This just flat out isn't true. Plants absolutely DO intake nitrate (NO3-) and ammonium (NH4+). In the magical processes of cation exchange (ammonia is the cation) and anion exchange (nitrate is an anion) the plant exchanges H+ (cation) and OH- (anion) for ammonium and nitrate.

Nitrogen only exists as a gas in its elemental form (N2) unless you cool or compress the shit out of it. Looks at a bottle of chemical nutrients and you won't see "nitrogen" as an ingredient, you'll see things like calcium NITRATE.

Expanding a little more... Soil particles carry a negative charge on their surface which tends to attract cations (like ammonia) and hold them until they are needed by the plant (until the plant "pays for" the ammonium with a H+ cation). Nitrates, being anions, are much less held in place by the soil particles, which is why they run off of ag fields and cause eutrophication of rivers, etc.

The plant DOES know a difference if it's nitrogen is available as nitrate or ammonium. When a plant takes up ammonium (NH4+), it releases H+ into the soil solution, which LOWERS soil pH. If a plant is supplied nitrate nitrogen, it releases OH- into the soil solution, which RAISES soil pH. This is just one of the ways plants react differently to different nitrogen sources.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

Two reasons I don't "ROLS":
1. Cost. My custom growing medium ingredients (fresh and never used) currently is averaging $4/cu ft (Fox Farm Ocean Fresh...if I wanted it...would cost me around $8-9). Since the ROLS method requires additional time/energy and footprint/space to "condition" the soil--not to mention the need for batch testing (consistency of fertility, ph, bacteria of each batch is important for me)...I estimate these costs will hover between $10-20/cu ft, or about 3-5 times more.

2. Yield/Quality. Since I have great yields and consistently producing top-drawer meds, why would a sane person spend more $$$--to only produce the same (or lessor) quality/quantity? Now...if my cost was north of $20/cu ft, you bet I would be looking at other alternatives--including ROLS.

Is ROLS honorable (recycling)? Yes. Is ROLS superior (compared to my growing medium)? No.

And...that's the way I Roll, cheers!

Recycling my soil started to save me hella money. Your figures are way out wack for recycling soil. I also did not cook my soil ever. So no extra room needed there. My quality kept getting better the older the soil got. I only made it 4 runs deep(recycling my soil) before I had to tear down my rooms, but I also got my largest yields to date in 4th run recycled soil. The quality was also the best to date.

When I recycled my soil the biggest additive per cubic foot was compost/worm castings. I spent about $1.50 per cubic foot for these. When I re-amended I only added 1/4 cup of amendments back into the soil, and I did not add any oyster shell flour. So you can tack on a another $2-$3. Per cubic foot I spent $3.50-$4.50.

You can not buy "quality" soil for that price. Unless you are buying in bulk.

These prices for re-amending were before I started buying everything in bulk. Now it would cost me less than a dollar per cubic foot to recycle.