Different butane in the wake of 2013(5x, 7x)

[medman225]

hey guys. yall have all given me sooo much here. i wanted to give back as much as i can.
wen i first got into bho(ben all i smoke all day everyday ever since) i was told to use vector or colibri, and i did....
and all the sudden, in the wake of the god damn bho frenzy thats sweeping america, now every smoke shop and their mom are stocking up on high quality butane.
my first experience with this was while grabbing a bunch of vector at my local headshop for a run, and i saw the new LIQUID 7x refined butane.
it was 7x compared to vector, and it was less expensive(by like half guys) and my first thought, and response to my buddy who works there who was showing me the new brand, was if it sounds too good to be true it probably is, and his reply was, i hear ya, but we have alota people come in here and get butane and they tried this stuff and loved it. they came back and got 2 boxes.
and that intrigued me... and knowing i could trust this persons statements, i said ah fuck it throw 1 in.
we go to our spot use a bunch of vector, and when i ended up trying it out, it not only produced a visibly bigger yield, but the finished product was for sure jst as clean... perhaps a tad more.
well, i ended up getting more of that LIQUID7x brand, and upon running it, it indeed seemed that the better butane was putting out cleaner tasting bho.
well, a month later, i hav som vector left over from a while ago...
i make it up, and no matter how hard i tried, i culdnt seem to get it as clean as i wanted(not using at vac purge at the moment).
and upon smokinb it for a few days, i swore off vector and will never use them again.
vector was admittedly the go to brand a min ago, but i think its important to be clear that in my experience something waaaaay better has come along.
theres also the power 7x lines... im sure theres some more...
but guys my point is next time u get butane, try out a can and run a trial, cuz i think its pretty safe to say were past the day of vector being the best.

 

[Waxmasta Flex]

no vector actually has the highest amount of ntane still as far as im aware...(well unless u believe some n use power 5)...highest ntane and lowest propane would make it most pure in my book...i mean technically it is...most pure ntane next to shit u buy from air gas co

 

[dybert]

no vector actually has the highest amount of ntane still as far as im aware...(well unless u believe some n use power 5)...highest ntane and lowest propane would make it most pure in my book...i mean technically it is...most pure ntane next to shit u buy from air gas co

Theres nothing wrong with using propane to extract. Its a big misnomer that N-butane is somehow "better" than high quality propane.

 

[Calimed]

Anyone heard of or used Stok? It is priced higher than Vector in the local stores.

 

[RegisPhilburn1]

Im pretty sure that STOK FYRE is just another rebranded keen product, it has the Zero impurities label which i think is always a keen product. Also when i was at the DFO, a rep for their company showed me the MSDS and it was the exact same percentages as Lucienne.

Keen offers Private Labeling on their butane, which is what i think STOK probably took advantage of. Lucienne is likely the exact same as STOK for a fraction of the price.

Stick with the brands made in the UK (Keen) and not those made in Korea (Vector, P5 etc.)

Neon5 (China) is by far the worst butane i have ever heard of, and definitely has mercaps in

 

[medman225]

well waxmasta flax i implore you to grab a can of the 7x liquid...
im not a butane salesman i have no stake in this.
jst trying to help share a great find... this specific 7x makes vectors tane taste like shit.
if u dont believe me thats fine but seriously this stuff can b hit right after the blast, right out of the original blasting dish, with some hot water bath of course(the bath for some time after all the tane has cooked off) and is pretty damn tasty, def passable(tho i dont stop there) and better than alota different things people have shown me.
im just trying to share some knowledge guys i dont come here saying im a bho expert, but in this case im quite confident in my opinions after my findings... which is experienced finished product... cuz vector cant touch liquid ud havta purge the shit out of it just to get it tasting the way it does straight from the initial blast dish.
im not trying to tell anyone their butane is shit. vector can b purged to perfection, especially with but not limited to a vac purge, jst as other butanes can b purged to perfection, and be greatly enjoyed... and until this stuff came along, it was vector and colibri, but guys this liquid 7x butane takes like half the effort to purge, and comes out clean as fuck for the initial blast.

 

[dybert]

Im pretty sure that STOK FYRE is just another rebranded keen product, it has the Zero impurities label which i think is always a keen product. Also when i was at the DFO, a rep for their company showed me the MSDS and it was the exact same percentages as Lucienne.

Keen offers Private Labeling on their butane, which is what i think STOK probably took advantage of. Lucienne is likely the exact same as STOK for a fraction of the price.

Stick with the brands made in the UK (Keen) and not those made in Korea (Vector, P5 etc.)

Neon5 (China) is by far the worst butane i have ever heard of, and definitely has mercaps in

Seconded on the horribleness that is Neon 5.

Absolutely DO NOT USE.

 

[walt cunningham]

does anyone else think this may be a "commercial" for liquid 7x?

 

[Waxmasta Flex]

Theres nothing wrong with using propane to extract. Its a big misnomer that N-butane is somehow "better" than high quality propane.

I dunno...goin by gwolf...someone i do trust to know what they are talking about...he noted somewhere that you MAY get a blonder product, but will yield less or at least thats what theyre tests showed... to me that constitutes something being "wrong" with it....it yields less apparently... there are many misnomers out there...i was goin by what gdub said.... i think its also harder for the laymen to get unmercappd propane...just as it is to get pure ntane for MOST people..

 

[Gray Wolf]

I don't know of anyone extracting with propane, that isn't using a closed system, because it boils at about -42°C (-43.6°F), so it is hard to keep liquid most places without pressure.

Both instrument grade propane or butane have to be ordered from gas suppliers, and propane is about around 30% cheaper, but as noted yields less.

Both make a tasty, effective product.

 

[dybert]

I dunno...goin by gwolf...someone i do trust to know what they are talking about...he noted somewhere that you MAY get a blonder product, but will yield less or at least thats what theyre tests showed... to me that constitutes something being "wrong" with it....it yields less apparently... there are many misnomers out there...i was goin by what gdub said.... i think its also harder for the laymen to get unmercappd propane...just as it is to get pure ntane for MOST people..

It yielding less, may actually mean its BETTER. Yielding less means its more selective in what it pulls, it might pull less wax, for example. You would have to do more tests, namely potency tests to see what the differences in the actual oil coming out was.

I know a lot of the "pros" are using a blend of both n-tane and medical/instrument/research grade propane as their extraction gasses.

@GW You're right, I don't know of anyone not using a closed loop either, but just because theres propane in a can doesn't mean its "less good" inherently, is all I was sayin

 

[Gray Wolf]

It yielding less, may actually mean its BETTER. Yielding less means its more selective in what it pulls, it might pull less wax, for example. You would have to do more tests, namely potency tests to see what the differences in the actual oil coming out was.

I know a lot of the "pros" are using a blend of both n-tane and medical/instrument/research grade propane as their extraction gasses.

@GW You're right, I don't know of anyone not using a closed loop either, but just because theres propane in a can doesn't mean its "less good" inherently, is all I was sayin

I agree, we make pristine extractions with Luciennes mixture of n-Butane, Isobutane, and Propane.

 

[SkyHighLer]

It yielding less, may actually mean its BETTER. Yielding less means its more selective in what it pulls, it might pull less wax, for example. You would have to do more tests, namely potency tests to see what the differences in the actual oil coming out was.

I know a lot of the "pros" are using a blend of both n-tane and medical/instrument/research grade propane as their extraction gasses.

@GW You're right, I don't know of anyone not using a closed loop either, but just because theres propane in a can doesn't mean its "less good" inherently, is all I was sayin

Your post is confusing me, "closed loop" means a recycler system? Doesn't the difference in boiling points for n-butane and propane cause problems when both are used together in a recycler? I recall GW saying when canned butane is used in a recycler the propane and air need to be 'burped off' before use...

 

[Waxmasta Flex]

I agree, we make pristine extractions with Luciennes mixture of n-Butane, Isobutane, and Propane.

lol....yee n my buddy uses a nice mix...its called power 5...mad peeps be using a super propane heavy mix NEWPORT...and swearing the yield better
i dont think anyones actually injecting propane seperately from their tane into the mix...seems redundant...i think they told you literally whats in the shit theyre using and your envisioning them "adding" propane...

its already inside cuz their using canned ntane...which by itself im sure someone would call instrument grade or something to bolster their prod.

who knows, maybe im wrong....
but i doubt it.


and i still say less yield is less good.

but hey..im a greedy fuck.

 

[dybert]

lol....yee n my buddy uses a nice mix...its called power 5...mad peeps be using a super propane heavy mix NEWPORT...and swearing the yield better
i dont think anyones actually injecting propane seperately from their tane into the mix...seems redundant...i think they told you literally whats in the shit theyre using and your envisioning them "adding" propane...

its already inside cuz their using canned ntane...which by itself im sure someone would call instrument grade or something to bolster their prod.

who knows, maybe im wrong....
but i doubt it.


and i still say less yield is less good.

but hey..im a greedy fuck.

You're absolutely wrong. I'm talking about drawing from 2 storage tanks. One with N-butane, one with medical grade propane and creating a gas mix for extracting.

I am not talking about people using canned butane at all, I am talking about professionals running closed systems and medical or research grade gasses.

 

[dybert]

There is some other stuff out called PUREtane just so ya know. its 99.9998% pure made in the us! bomb diggidy

Based on your username I bet you're a rep for them. And I call bullshit on that purity.

 

[SkyHighLer]

There is some other stuff out called PUREtane just so ya know. its 99.9998% pure made in the us! bomb diggidy

I ordered a case, now stfu until I get it and test it!

Order Receipt
PURETANE 12 PACK USA MADE 7X 300 ml $4.75 PER CAN $57.00
Subtotal $57.00
Shipping $0.00
Total $57.00

 

[-Boris]

Your post is confusing me, "closed loop" means a recycler system? Doesn't the difference in boiling points for n-butane and propane cause problems when both are used together in a recycler? I recall GW saying when canned butane is used in a recycler the propane and air need to be 'burped off' before use...

There is much more butane than propane in the mixture, so when the propane boils the resin stays in the butane.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Your post is confusing me, "closed loop" means a recycler system? Doesn't the difference in boiling points for n-butane and propane cause problems when both are used together in a recycler? I recall GW saying when canned butane is used in a recycler the propane and air need to be 'burped off' before use...

Propane works fine in a pumped system, just takes longer because of its lower boiling point, but not so good in a passive system, where it has to be burped off along with any atmosphere.

 

[Gray Wolf]

lol....yee n my buddy uses a nice mix...its called power 5...mad peeps be using a super propane heavy mix NEWPORT...and swearing the yield better
i dont think anyones actually injecting propane seperately from their tane into the mix...seems redundant...i think they told you literally whats in the shit theyre using and your envisioning them "adding" propane...

its already inside cuz their using canned ntane...which by itself im sure someone would call instrument grade or something to bolster their prod.

who knows, maybe im wrong....
but i doubt it.


and i still say less yield is less good.

but hey..im a greedy fuck.

I actually do know of folks blending their own proprietary gas mixes, which includes Propane, to lighten up the color of their extracts..