trichome ambering percentige??? whats ideal for indicas or sativas opinions plz :)

[HAZE FIEND]

what is the recomended amber % of trichomes for a good sativa/sativa dom like og n grapestomper n coletrain and a good indica/indica dom like otm or bubblgum plz peepz?? i had it in my head that 10% amber maximum was good for sativas n about 40% for indicas is that right??

 

[GreenPlant]

More than that think m8.

"I don't bother with long flowering stuff BUT 10% with the Sativas! Didn't know that one.Apart from early on (as such) with the Microscope.I always have learnt to go from the Condition of the Pistils

Can be made as SIMPLE (which it truely is) or as hard as u like!
Tbh SOME might never bother!...


LOL,not hard INTERESTING!! ? Yea I jus cant be arsed Anymore

Until the the time comes
Especially now with you icers (recent comment also).

 

[HAZE FIEND]

lol not exactly... if u want the exact high u want and want the green u doin to have the high its supposed to then its quite important... 10-20% amber for sativa heady rushy highs and 40% or bit more or less for indica heavy body highs if im not mistaken m8

 

[GreenPlant]

So the Sativa's Trich's never get more than a Quater Amber Caps !
Interesting Mann

"Don't Remember Reading that in Indoor Marijuana Horticulture in '99" lol

 

[HAZE FIEND]

lol yea i do alot of reasearch on californian forums to m8 n they seem to know there stuff they got alot of good grow wisdom to bring m8 as do u and many on here too

 

[Greenheart]

The two extreme ends of the chart are cloudy sativa & amber indica.

Cannabinoidal influences will vary by strain, phenotype, and maturity. There are many happy spots in between the extremes and it is up to the grower to determine the best trichome ratio for the final product of each individual plant. A Sativa grown for 12+ weeks can be a treat. If it is for yourself when harvest window is arriving take samples in varied percentages cure and label separately and determine the one you like the most. If it is for others then you must determine the ratio's the patient is seeking instead.

* Many commercial operations wait until the maximum yield comes resulting in a higher amber product

 

[VerdantGreen]

sativas i agree 10-20% amber is fine, i actually look more at how many are milky. as long as they are mostly milky - which is a mature head (amber is degrading) then i will happily chop it.
Indicas maybe a few more amber but again i think its important to make sure you cant see more than 10-20% clear heads

but as said its down to personal preference

VG

 

[mack 10]

That's kinda what I do to. I watch them carefully waiting for the calx's to swell to there maximum, the stigma's will slightly recede back into the calx and turn fully pink,red or whatever. Like VG said make sure most of the tric's are swollen and cloudy, with a few ambers, the more amber's generally mean a more couchlock high. However this is all strain specific and very subjective(depends what flavours/high's you like) Sativa's can be hard to dial in. Some sativas will still have fresh pistil growth but the rest of the buds will be mature, you will have to take samples at different times and see when ready it depends what you like. I learnt this by growing many sativa dom hybrids and over ripening them. When taken slightly earlier the high is much better, clearer and more up. Overripe they are more heavy stoned but dull with a boring high.
mack.

 

[GreenPlant]

Yes Receding Pistils/Stigmas ..

 

[HAZE FIEND]

The two extreme ends of the chart are cloudy sativa & amber indica.

Cannabinoidal influences will vary by strain, phenotype, and maturity. There are many happy spots in between the extremes and it is up to the grower to determine the best trichome ratio for the final product of each individual plant. A Sativa grown for 12+ weeks can be a treat. If it is for yourself when harvest window is arriving take samples in varied percentages cure and label separately and determine the one you like the most. If it is for others then you must determine the ratio's the patient is seeking instead.

* Many commercial operations wait until the maximum yield comes resulting in a higher amber product

sativas i agree 10-20% amber is fine, i actually look more at how many are milky. as long as they are mostly milky - which is a mature head (amber is degrading) then i will happily chop it.
Indicas maybe a few more amber but again i think its important to make sure you cant see more than 10-20% clear heads

but as said its down to personal preference

VG

That's kinda what I do to. I watch them carefully waiting for the calx's to swell to there maximum, the stigma's will slightly recede back into the calx and turn fully pink,red or whatever. Like VG said make sure most of the tric's are swollen and cloudy, with a few ambers, the more amber's generally mean a more couchlock high. However this is all strain specific and very subjective(depends what flavours/high's you like) Sativa's can be hard to dial in. Some sativas will still have fresh pistil growth but the rest of the buds will be mature, you will have to take samples at different times and see when ready it depends what you like. I learnt this by growing many sativa dom hybrids and over ripening them. When taken slightly earlier the high is much better, clearer and more up. Overripe they are more heavy stoned but dull with a boring high.
mack.

Yes Receding Pistils/Stigmas ..

great stuff people! thanks for all input and i think im just goin to keep doin what have been forthis grow n testin quick dry nugs till there all tastin n feelin pretty ready n dependin on affect n oppinion on it and watchin the trichomes to judge the right time compared to what they was when i choped this lot and then hopefully get it spot on n dialed in this next round... cant always get it perfect firsty time around i guess ay...

thanks for all the great wisdom! kinda what i thought but thought there might be a lil somethin there that might help me to get it spot on the first time

 

[GreenPlant]

I think Exact Finishing times will depend on the Strain,experience with the Strain.Enviroment etc

 

[GreenPlant]

Also the Growing Method.

 

[Fourtyfour]

what is the recomended amber % of trichomes for a good sativa/sativa dom like og n grapestomper n coletrain and a good indica/indica dom like otm or bubblgum plz peepz?? i had it in my head that 10% amber maximum was good for sativas n about 40% for indicas is that right??

IMO, 50/50 is always a good ratio to shoot for, check out the pic below. If you can wait until you see 50/50, you'll have some killer smoke.

 

[HAZE FIEND]

IMO, 50/50 is always a good ratio to shoot for, check out the pic below. If you can wait until you see 50/50, you'll have some killer smoke.

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sorry for late reply but that seems like waaaaay to much in my opinion for sativas at least or sat dom's, u must really like hashy earthy mongy strong smoke huh bro i dont even bother checkin now i find the best way if workin with new strains n dont know best time, is wen they look all done n are just before the right recomended time n there at peak smell il take some tester nugs quick dry n smoke em that day n each day from then on til the moment i notice a decrease in smell n power n just decrease of over all interestingness of taste smell n buzz n then they get a big feed of ice cold water, then a day to 2 days in dark n chop them sexy nuggets down! then i make sure i take em before the time of decrease the next run n get even danker smoke to its fullest potential..

 

[Huckster79]

On this topic, where on the plant to you look for accurate trichome ripeness? I have a GG4, 65 days in flower, when i take a clipping from a bud leaf that has frost, its time to chop... good 30% amber, on top of leaf. On bottom of leaf looks like maybe ready or a good patient grower should wait a few more and monitor it. When I get a little more daring and take a snip off the frosty area of the bud itself, i would say wait likely a week, some clears, mostly clouding and a random amber not enough to assign an approximate percentage to.

So thats my wonder, what area is best to gauge off of...???

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

You can also gauge a plant from more distance, early resin looks like silvery frost, later on it dominates the bud and goes a titanium colour, swells up to the point that the hairs and calyx's effectively become almost invisible ... depends on the strain and your preferences.

So, take photos with labels, chop that bud off and attach label...smoke test... look back at the photo... realise that you were harvesting too early all these years......

Microscope views are interesting, but give a very focused close up picture that imo distorts the picture, expecially with different strains... One I had recently didn't really go amber, maturity is simply milky... so anybody waiting for amber there will be lost

 

[Jhhnn]

sativas i agree 10-20% amber is fine, i actually look more at how many are milky. as long as they are mostly milky - which is a mature head (amber is degrading) then i will happily chop it.
Indicas maybe a few more amber but again i think its important to make sure you cant see more than 10-20% clear heads

but as said its down to personal preference

VG

It's nice to see that somebody with much greater experience agrees with me. It's easy to tell with white strains because the change from clear trichomes to white is obvious. Instead of looking like the buds are covered in diamond dust they look like they're covered in powdered sugar. Some strains even look greyish when the change occurs which can happen rapidly over the course of a week or so. Strains that tend to re-flower are trickier to judge. Letting it go too long muddies the high, imho.

 

[HAZE FIEND]

verdant greens post: sativas i agree 10-20% amber is fine, i actually look more at how many are milky. as long as they are mostly milky - which is a mature head (amber is degrading) then i will happily chop it.
Indicas maybe a few more amber but again i think its important to make sure you cant see more than 10-20% clear heads

but as said its down to personal preference

VG

You can also gauge a plant from more distance, early resin looks like silvery frost, later on it dominates the bud and goes a titanium colour, swells up to the point that the hairs and calyx's effectively become almost invisible ... depends on the strain and your preferences.

So, take photos with labels, chop that bud off and attach label...smoke test... look back at the photo... realise that you were harvesting too early all these years......

Microscope views are interesting, but give a very focused close up picture that imo distorts the picture, expecially with different strains... One I had recently didn't really go amber, maturity is simply milky... so anybody waiting for amber there will be lost

It's nice to see that somebody with much greater experience agrees with me. It's easy to tell with white strains because the change from clear trichomes to white is obvious. Instead of looking like the buds are covered in diamond dust they look like they're covered in powdered sugar. Some strains even look greyish when the change occurs which can happen rapidly over the course of a week or so. Strains that tend to re-flower are trickier to judge. Letting it go too long muddies the high, imho.

totaly agree this is why i dont scope em anymore n simply go by highest terpene point/ wen there at there stinkyest as some strains simply DO NOT AMBER or only the odd trich head here n there do sometimes, this is usually with more pure sativa dominant strains iv found with my own experience.. but back to choppin at the highest terpene content, i now do this as i have always noticed smellyer n tastyer / higher terpene content cannabis always seems to give me a more enhanced more fuller more pleasurable affect, n if u watched the hashchurch that bubbleman and sam the skunkman was talkin terpenes n cannabinoids, they also said wen they did labtests smokin lab seperated cannabinoids, singley n purely by itselfs like pure thc n all that, the effects was very dull n boring according to them, then they started experimenting with mixing cannabinoids n got better effects, then they experimented with mixing differnt pure terpenes with the cannabinoids n they found exactly the same as me, there effects n feelings went through the roof! so now im a firm believer that ambering and thc content arnt the be all n end all or main aspects of how good a strain is, although mostly milky n not so much clear heads is important n high thc n other cannabinoid levels play a big part in strengh n affects, more so, how much terpene levels / stink n taste its got thats gonna enhance whatever cannabinoid levels that strain has is also very important in my honest opinion... thanks for chippin in guys n everyones got great info keep it coming

 

[HAZE FIEND]

On this topic, where on the plant to you look for accurate trichome ripeness? I have a GG4, 65 days in flower, when i take a clipping from a bud leaf that has frost, its time to chop... good 30% amber, on top of leaf. On bottom of leaf looks like maybe ready or a good patient grower should wait a few more and monitor it. When I get a little more daring and take a snip off the frosty area of the bud itself, i would say wait likely a week, some clears, mostly clouding and a random amber not enough to assign an approximate percentage to.

So thats my wonder, what area is best to gauge off of...???

if u really wanted to judge by this way i wud check what amber % is good for the affect that strain is meant to have, n then take frost leaf snips from middle of main heads n the tips of em, n also the same wit some mid nuggets half way up plant n wait till they all have a rough similar amber % to what yr lookin for bro.. or just do what i do n what i stated in previous post choppin at highest terp content before decrease..