any dinafem fans?

[paulo73]

Thank you Ras Pablo for bringing some light into my ignorance!
Keep it high & real

 

[VanVulpen]

I wasn't really keen to interfere in this debate, but since you guys mentioned Moby Dick i felt that i could contribute with something here. The seed i had was a freebie and although i usually stay away from feminized seeds, i gave it a try anyway... This plant was grown along with some Flos and Blockheads and was the most vigurous, productive and good looking plant in the whole bunch. She had also suffered from all stress you can imagine but didn't turn hermie on me and while with the others i had some serious mold issues she just performed extraordinary with high temps and humidity.

Will i grow it again? Most definately not... The smoke was just average, give me Flo anytime and i'm all up for it but this Moby Dick thing is just lacking any sort of personality. And if you are into caracter weed i sugest you to follow what Ras Pablo has to say about it and try somewhere else... I'm not here to desconsider Dinafem, this was just my personal experience not opinion and as i said above if you're looking for a fast finishing, high yielder, herm prof type of feminized strain this could be your Holy Grail, is just that some of us are looking for something even better

 

[LittleAmsterdam]

I have 9 different Blue Widow's from seed. I can already see a few different phenos. I'm looking forward to flipping them and will report back soon

 

[Herbal extasy]

Will i grow it again? Most definately not... The smoke was just average

I have been smoking Moby Dick this week and have smoked it previously before and I have to agree with VanVulpen.
Genetics behind Moby Dick would give much more to expect in paper, but in use, it just lack potency. I would choose FMS WWxBB(cheaper, more potent and yield is also good) over it any day. Though I can see some JH background in there, like trippiness, but like said, MDick is strain more for cash croppers. It really puts up huge yield and is decent enough to satisfy customers. Some unexperienced smokers will even hype it best weed ever...

 

[IwannatokeNbone]

it is hard to find erb with personality, i agree

 

[Herbal extasy]

it is hard to find erb with personality, i agree

I can name instantly few.
Nirvana cali-O. Best TV weed so far. It just keeps motivation up to watch TV for hours without moving a bit. Hypnotizing.
Nirvana NLxHz. Bubbling, potency and tripping not present in common street crop.
FMS WWxBB. Dreamlike stone. Very unique IMO.

Of course, then there is bunch of shit without any personality.

 

[FreshGenetics]

I read an articlce by Shatibaba in which he talked about helping Dinafem create their femmed critical mass. Clearly he doest agree that they are rip offs and frauds.

This is a bold faced lie, sir.

Shanti never wrote any such article. In fact, if you go to
MNS you will find a direct quote from him (I won't go find
it for you) saying just the opposite of what you say here.

Plz stop spreadin' lies.

 

[Krull]

From MrNice forum:

Hi All


yes a few seriously good points come up in this thread which I will talk about briefly so you can understand some things from my point of view...as a seed company.

There are numerous examples of my strains F1 seed getting femminized...companies doing this range from pyramid to dinafem to nearly every Spanish seed bank currently on the market. Most Dutch companies are buying in femminized seeds from commercially grown lots in Spain and renaming them to suit...so in actual fact you have several seed makers selling to nearly all seed companies...making one seed with 50 names...

Next the point about all seed companies making a run to keep sales up is on the money.It is viewed that if you do not make femminized seed you are loosing out on sales as well as other companies are capitalizing on all the work and good will on the name of the strain..look at White widow for that.
So I believe MNS will be the only one left staying true breeding and keeping males and females alive to breed with.It worked with us from Nevilles time to my time so why change a sure thing? Our seed sales only reflect our stock list, when we have seeds we sell more...so MNS is sort of special there. I think most companies lost alot of sales and had to make the move to femminized seed...some out of greed but several out of necessity otherwise they would be bust.

Let me just bring up one of the most important thing out of all this...the amount of breeders of seed have never been many, but now their will be fewer. Guys like Simone from Serious Seed who I like and admire for his honest approach and dedication to true breeding are also considering femminizing...and that might mean we reached a tilting point of Cannabis breeding. In fact most of the best breeders are you who spend years playing with single strains, and the shift and future will mean those types of dedicated hobby breeders will be a true source to tap into. I already know this and have known this for some years. That is one of the reasons I did not sell up and go live happily after ...my difficult years in Swityerland, but translocated all my facilities and plants at a hell of a stress to finally be here and doing what I do. I spend a lot of time talking one to one with a lot of you and consider that immensely important nowadays. The fame and glory days are over for me, they were fun for a while but did not really do it for me after a period of time...and the bs that I see now in Holland at the coffeeshops show the scene went down hill since 98...and is all a publicity stunt or at best a commercial venture...it is not serious and fun like it was when Nev and I lived there .

So yes it is an issue of extreme importance for those who consider themselves interested in genetics...and by buying femminized seed you are promoting it so be prudent with purchases in the future.

Last point to make for those who say it is cheaper to buy femminized seed I beg to differ. MNS sell 15+ seeds to a packet, if half are females, then work it out...but it is an important point for a lot of growers for some reason. To me I think you better get as close to the source of the origins as you can...get educated and discuss things online.

So hope it was not too longer waffle on but it is a concern of mine, always has been if you read any of my articles in any of the magazines like Weed world, La Dolce Vita, Buds n Babes, Treating Yourself or Canna Habla...amongst a few I write regularly for....all the best Sb
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all the best,
Shantibaba

Sorry if i've c/p this great post without Shanti approval.
Maybe this will stop bs.

=K

 

[orangutang]

Yeah, Dinafem just rip off Shanti's work. If you look around the Spanish banks you'll see a lot of them offer the exact same seeds under different names and different prices. For instance, a lot of the Kannabia strains are also sold by Sweet Seeds but a bit cheaper and with different names.

 

[bobman]

does not sound like shanti really cares. from reading his stuff he always promotes free genetics for all and nobody owns anything. the key with him is that he really knows how to breed and produce seeds properly.

 

[LittleAmsterdam]

People get off your Soap Box ! Some of the best weed and other plants have come from hybrids. i.e. Jack Herer is a F1 Hybrid, Blue Dream, Orchids, Roses, and more... That's the purpose of a Hybrid. Best of both worlds in one.

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

Femmed seed have revolutionized outdoor commericial growing and have been a development in outdoor growing equaled only by the introduction of hybridized marijuana. Thank god we have visionaires in the business that are willling to ignore convention and arent satisfied with a "shanti" type of status quo .
Im sure those growing autoflowerers feel the same.

I appreciate breeders that are doing original work and its an important part of the seed world and i believe shanti is probably very talented and may be one of the best, but its arrogant and misinformed to suggest that its somehow superior to other approaches. Shanti ignores the fact that many people cant grow out a bunch of plants and hunt for females or that outdoor growers dont have to do 2x as much work, digging, watering, only to end up cutting 1/2 of the plants when regular seeds are used.

I ve grown dozens and dozens of packs of fems over the past 10 years. I started with DP and have grown many different strains and most came from Dutch companies. It simply false to suggest that many of the femmed seeds are of the same variety and just given a different name. Of the many strains ive grown, I havent seen a single variety duplicated and sold under a different name. .

I suspect that Shanti hasnt grown out the first pack of femmed seeds, let alone have a good understanding of their nature, so where is the basis for his assertions? He might be a top breeder but his knowledge and experience regaurding fems is clearly limited and biased. Ive grown Medicine man, and ive grown Dinafems Blue Hash. They both have similar levels of potency, but the BH yeilded much better, was tastier and finished a full 2 weeks before the medicine man. The dinafem BH fems are much preferable to shanti's regular medicine man.

Dinafem also made the claim that shant helped them with pheno selection and i havent seen where he denies doing it.

 

[FreshGenetics]

Slap #1

Hi All

so let me clarify things for you from my stand point with a few facts. You cannot think for one minute femminizing seed is anything to do with breeding...it is not. Autoflowering is a breedable trait, and takes 5 or 6 generations to do so...therefore it has merit if that is the way you like your plants. Now you must be ignorant to think I have never femminized my mothers, I have. In fact Nev did it way before DP brought the so called revolution out of pandora`s box...but only to preserve a dead end line that was in female clone form...they were never used to breed with but to preserve moltihybrid orphans...so to speak.
Saying all of that why have we at MNS not jumped on the band wagon of commercialism...well the main reason(and one I spoke at length with Simone from Serious Seeds and he agreed off the record), is I cannot guarantee you will not get hermaphrodites at some point when using the chemically induced seed. That is simple but true. MNS has spent such a long time over many years to select plants from a lot of land races and take out the negative traits via true breeding combinations it is farcical to think we would begin to breed it back into strains...maybe with dementia in my brain I could think like that but at present I am cooking with gas!
There are several other reasons but it is not possible to guarantee a femminize seed will not have the potential to revert. Now saying that I must defend something about femminized seed too. Certain strains work better than others...in other words some strains that are femmed have negligible potential to hermi or produce non-viable pollen...and these would be the ones to go for as a prducer not a breeder of plants. But with the market so flooded as well as most seed companies never really testing more than basic things, the likelihood of some grower hittng the good relable strain is only via trial and error and a lot of growers. So rather than all vent personal beliefs there is something to do. I would suggest those who have and intend to use femminized seed should form a union of like minded flowers and share their experiences with others...this would certain weed out the usable fem seeds from companies that at least do their work rather than how it is now, 50 companies buy from 5 or 6 fem producers rename it all and sell it as a dream description based on no real origins...other than F1 seed from a selected clone from a regular seed in the first place!

So you see it is alright to have personal beliefs and opinions from your own experiences, but to dispel myths in exchange for concrete facts would seem a great way to turn the negative into a positive...imo.

All the best Sb

 

[FreshGenetics]

Slap #2

Hi All

you must remember one thing when you think about this fem seed phenomena and that is it was released and endorsed by commercialism. DP and all the other so called big names who are now predominantly fem seed producers not breeders do it for profits. The buyers who buy it endorse those companies and take market share away from real true breeding companies, which is the reason alot of companies had to shift to fem seed...or go out of business. But fem seed is expensive and causing the downfall of the selective breeding processes of this industry in my opinion.

If there is a chance that in 10 yrs we find out fem seed infiltrated the gene pools of varieties of cannabis and made lines sterile or significantly hurt the chances of breeding new strains...then it will be the responsibility of all of those who endorsed it in the first place. The only injustice if this would be the case is those companies would have already profited. Like so many of the drug companies who find and make available new medicines only to find out later it has been detrimental in the long run and pay a fine..well it would have been too late.

I am not against fem seed even if you feel I am strongly opinionated against it. I am however strongly against human kind trying to think they can make nature better than it already is. I ran a successful landscaping company in the 80s in Australia and our aim was to try to make our work look like it was placed by nature... others made a living plonking an alien garden into a home that stood out...both have beauty to those who view them for different reasons. My gardens are still there and grown beautifully, while the alien gardens have come and gone...all the best Sb

 

[FreshGenetics]

I have a photographic memory & I am hardcore MNS!

Slap #3

Now the female seed story saved a lot of seed companies who never really breed seed as you only need a F1 female and chemicals….no need for a male…..so go figure why companies like the Greenhouse or Dinafem etc…set up selling female seed…..the money the demand and not really needing skill with males are all prerequisites to make a female seed. It is therefore obvious to me why Arjan (who is a very marketing person nothing more) and Franco come out every year with a new name plant…they buy an original F1 seed and donk it with silver nitrates and there you have there products…but now adays there are so many doing it it is incredible. Even companies have called me to tell me they feminised a clone of Critical mass in spain and call it critical plus….but say nothing more than thanks. So actually I really do not care any longer about other companies and what they say. We at MNS sell the real versions that won the original awards and made the legends…nowadays it is all confused and everyone is going feminised…except MNS. We exist so people who like to breed will be able to with the original true breed plants that come from selection and natural collection from traveling around the world. As they say, an empty barrel makes a louder noise…and we are full.

ShantiBaba

Now, I will ask you again.

Plz stop spreadin' lies.

 

[orangutang]

Yeah, Shanti isn't pleased these people ripped off his genes but he's such a good soul he's decided to rise above getting into it with anyone about it. I, on principle won't buy seeds from these ripoff companies. I have Med Man, SSH, Nordle, AfghanHaze and AfghanSkunkHaze cuttings to keep me busy for a while so see no need to but knockoffs when the originals are still available and still fantastic. People keep passing me supposed elite cuttings to try and while they are usually pretty nice they don't get kept because the stuff I have from shanti is better.

 

[SativaColombia]

nice one FRESH!

 

[silverhazefiend]

Fresh u make a great point ...and u came wit facts ..thank u for not messing up the thread ...respect that ..I'm here bc I his started a FREE dinafem cheese ..and ssh ..I have lots of better stuff going but I wanted to test them...despite the POLITICS ..there pretty good seeds very VIGOROUS for s1s ..I have other s1s that's taking off in the 3rd week compared to dinafem ..there slow ..ill be updating with pics soon

 

[Krull]

Great posts Fresh

Game Over

=K

 

[Herbal extasy]

Just smoked some early harvest Roadrunner, top hit lamp and burned. Anyway. Damn I am wasted. Been smoking Ditch passion Brainstorm and thinking, is this shit, in real meaning or is my tolerance through the roof. Right answer is that BS is bullshit, but Roadrunner is solid stuff. Strong smell, surprisingly strong high. Could be fire, if done with better care. I just had it 3,5L soil.