big plant ppk

[icdog]

D9 when you take the plant out of the sterilite container do you just scoop it out turface and all and put it in the tuff tub?
I just found those sterilite containers at Walmart, thrilling! Now if I could only find a top container. Can tire had some oil pans but they are 8 litre which I don't think is big enough. I would love to find a square 3 gallon or bigger container in Canada somewhere.

 

[bloyd]

Icdog get these rubbermaid 3 gallon containers. http://www.walmart.com/ip/Rubbermaid-3-Gallon-Roughneck-Storage-Box-Blue-Set-of-12/16539916.They work great. I do 4 of these in a vertical 32 x 32 tent and the biggest plant I have gotten is 8 zips in ~ 2 gallons of turface around 2 alternating stacked 400 watt bulbs. They work great and I can't imagine them not being available in the great north.

I just set up a bed using stacked 27 gallon hdx tough totes from HD. Cut down the top container and have 4 tailpieces in it. I will use 2 of these side by side for searching through seeds. I have been starting the seeds in turface in these http://www.stuewe.com/products/deepots.php bottom feeding jacks, with the occasional top feed to avoid salt build-up. I then turn them back to sex and transplant into the beds. Working great so far.

Good to see you posting and safe disciple. Great show as always d9! Thanks for the inspiration!!!

 

[real ting]

Icdog get these rubbermaid 3 gallon containers. http://www.walmart.com/ip/Rubbermaid-3-Gallon-Roughneck-Storage-Box-Blue-Set-of-12/16539916.They work great. I do 4 of these in a vertical 32 x 32 tent and the biggest plant I have gotten is 8 zips in ~ 2 gallons of turface around 2 alternating stacked 400 watt bulbs. They work great and I can't imagine them not being available in the great north.

I just set up a bed using stacked 27 gallon hdx tough totes from HD. Cut down the top container and have 4 tailpieces in it. I will use 2 of these side by side for searching through seeds. I have been starting the seeds in turface in these http://www.stuewe.com/products/deepots.php bottom feeding jacks, with the occasional top feed to avoid salt build-up. I then turn them back to sex and transplant into the beds. Working great so far.

Good to see you posting and safe disciple. Great show as always d9! Thanks for the inspiration!!!

Those deepots for seed starting are a great idea! Which size do you use? Do you need the support tray or did you DIY something? I'm trying out turface for seed starting in flats right now, so far so good. But having that extra depth would be awesome, and you wouldn't have to transplant as soon as they pop either.

 

[bloyd]

I am using the d25l pots and the d50t trays. Though if I had it to do over I would have just bought the pots and used a 2 " hole saw to make some holes in a lid of whatever size tote you need. Nice folks out there in oregon and they will ship you as many or as little as you need, quite reasonably as well. I am getting 1-2 ft plants in these deepots in ~1 mo under t5's and the limited volume is keeping my stretchy sativas manageable. I am also getting a higher % of females with these deepots than I have using prior methods, but it's too early to tell whether that was just a coincidence or if there is really something to the deeper pots and higher % of females.

 

[delta9nxs]

disciple,

after these first two all are being flipped at 21 days. some variations on the treatments are:

the first 2 were vegged 4.5 and 4 weeks without control and then stretch without control. then defo'd once. these are the 7 footers.

the next 3 at 3 weeks un-controlled veg were approx 32-36" and were then topped, thinned, hollowed out and defo'd severely immediately before the flip. they are in the last series of pics above. two of these are finished with stretch and are 5+ feet wide and to the ceiling.

then one defo'd at 2 weeks and 3 weeks as well as hollowed but not topped.

then one done heavily at 2 weeks but allowed the third week to recover and flipped without the second defo session or topping. it was still 32".

plant shaping externally and mechanically manipulating the plant for the most effective yield but underlying it all it's about light and the plant responses to it.

the biology of these light propelled morphological changes is truly fascinating.

 

[delta9nxs]

sorry about the light. i used an old manual wide angle.

i pull out the inner container and remove the wick.

i don't know why pic 4 is even there.

 

[delta9nxs]

so anyway, using my hand to hold the plant i turn it upside down and knock it loose. remove any roots that are starting to mat and place it and cover it up.

the depression in the turface is about halfway down.

i de-pot over the grow container so it catches the turface.

this clone is approaching the upper limit of size that i like for transplant. it's about a foot already and the roots were matting. if you can transplant between 7-10" you will not have to remove any root material.

 

[delta9nxs]

I am using the d25l pots and the d50t trays. Though if I had it to do over I would have just bought the pots and used a 2 " hole saw to make some holes in a lid of whatever size tote you need. Nice folks out there in oregon and they will ship you as many or as little as you need, quite reasonably as well. I am getting 1-2 ft plants in these deepots in ~1 mo under t5's and the limited volume is keeping my stretchy sativas manageable. I am also getting a higher % of females with these deepots than I have using prior methods, but it's too early to tell whether that was just a coincidence or if there is really something to the deeper pots and higher % of females.

sexual expression is thought by some researchers to be controlled by cytokinin, a phyto hormone produced in the roots so it's entirely possible that root manipulation could sway expression one way or the other.

this is further supported by an experiment done by russian researchers back about 1972 but largely ignored until recently when everyone started trying to reverse cannabis plants.

i can't seem to find it in my stuff but there is a thread over in the "advanced" forum where it is shown too.

the cool thing about this is that they used hemp grade cannabis as the test plant.

they took cuttings from known females and rooted them in water and a mild nutrient solution.

but one half the cuttings were not allowed to develop roots and half were.

when a root began forming they scraped it off on half.

they were also under a flowering light regime.

the plants with the roots continuously removed were all male and the others were female like the donor.

in addition the males produced viable pollen.

i haven't been able to try it yet.

i think the alien dawg might like to try this.

 

[real ting]

sexual expression is thought by some researchers to be controlled by cytokinin, a phyto hormone produced in the roots so it's entirely possible that root manipulation could sway expression one way or the other.

this is further supported by an experiment done by russian researchers back about 1972 but largely ignored until recently when everyone started trying to reverse cannabis plants.

i can't seem to find it in my stuff but there is a thread over in the "advanced" forum where it is shown too.

the cool thing about this is that they used hemp grade cannabis as the test plant.

they took cuttings from known females and rooted them in water and a mild nutrient solution.

but one half the cuttings were not allowed to develop roots and half were.

when a root began forming they scraped it off on half.

they were also under a flowering light regime.

the plants with the roots continuously removed were all male and the others were female like the donor.

in addition the males produced viable pollen.

i haven't been able to try it yet.

i think the alien dawg might like to try this.

That is very interesting. Are you thinking about selfing it or using it to make female alien dawg crosses?

I'd been meaning to ask you, I saw you post that you'd like to run more indica leaners. Which of your strains have you found most successful as ppk trees? Are you running a mono crop currently? I've always ran sativa leaning plants in all systems just based on personal smoking preference, but I've thought about throwing an indica dominant hybrid, possibly one of the cali kushes, into the mix and seeing how it does. I just gotta figure out what the difference is with all the alien-fire-kush-white-dawg-platinum-tahoe-tech-OG-cookies . Only thing I'm worried about is different feeding preferences mixed on the same rez, have you ever ran into problems with this?

The latest harvest is impressive as hell, if you were to average 13.5 oz off of ten plants under 4kw you're right within spitting distance of a gram per watt. And you got it heading towards full perpetual? Hat's off man.

 

[delta9nxs]

That is very interesting. Are you thinking about selfing it or using it to make female alien dawg crosses?

I'd been meaning to ask you, I saw you post that you'd like to run more indica leaners. Which of your strains have you found most successful as ppk trees? Are you running a mono crop currently? I've always ran sativa leaning plants in all systems just based on personal smoking preference, but I've thought about throwing an indica dominant hybrid, possibly one of the cali kushes, into the mix and seeing how it does. I just gotta figure out what the difference is with all the alien-fire-kush-white-dawg-platinum-tahoe-tech-OG-cookies . Only thing I'm worried about is different feeding preferences mixed on the same rez, have you ever ran into problems with this?

The latest harvest is impressive as hell, if you were to average 13.5 oz off of ten plants under 4kw you're right within spitting distance of a gram per watt. And you got it heading towards full perpetual? Hat's off man.

i was talking about our own alien dawg in the vert section. icmag member alien dawg. the alien psychonaut who lives in the tunnels under area 51.

i have broken the elbow barrier with a lot of strains now but some will work you to death coaxing it out of them.

with the ppk it can be done with a lot of plants that were previously considered borderline producers.

the right plant can be a massive yielder in a ppk but i have no specific recommendations as i have been on a strain hunt for 2 years and have not found exactly what i want yet.

my old sweet tooth #4 was a heavy plant but not too stretchy. pretty much self supporting too. but now folks want an "upper" smoke for breakfast or on the way to work at the nuclear plant.

and they want a "stress reliever" for happy hour for their attitude adjustment.

and then, the before bed knockout smoke that gives you just enough time to finish off that haagen daz before you pass out.

i also like the idea of a big cali kush of some kind but i'm so thoroughly confused i don't know where to start. when you get that alien fire og cooky something shit crossed with yada yada more bs crap selfed maybe you should just call it Quagmires Kush. oh yeah! Giggety!

and send it to me for testing.

on the monocrop question i'm running the "dope" one after another for a few more weeks and then hopefully i'll have a decent looking female of the gdp x gws which i don't have a clue about but we'll have a look at it.

i don't consider that 13.5 to be all that great. i think the next one will be a little bit heavier but both of these first 2 were stalled clones (9 weeks).

and they were vegged too long uncontrolled and stretch was uncontrolled so what you see here is late damage control really. just trying to pull a little something off them. and had inadequate environmental parameters for a long time.

the next 3 plants are shaping much better and i know one is gonna produce at least a lb or close. they were vegged 21 days exactly uncontrolled then had severe controls. they are filling out nicely, presenting terminals to the light field very evenly.

about nute preferences, some plants are sensitive to high ec, maybe above 1250-1300 ppm, in this thing but all grow well at low ec, 600-750 ppm.

that's all, folks!

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

sexual expression is thought by some researchers to be controlled by cytokinin, a phyto hormone produced in the roots so it's entirely possible that root manipulation could sway expression one way or the other.

this is further supported by an experiment done by russian researchers back about 1972 but largely ignored until recently when everyone started trying to reverse cannabis plants.

i can't seem to find it in my stuff but there is a thread over in the "advanced" forum where it is shown too.

the cool thing about this is that they used hemp grade cannabis as the test plant.

they took cuttings from known females and rooted them in water and a mild nutrient solution.

but one half the cuttings were not allowed to develop roots and half were.

when a root began forming they scraped it off on half.

they were also under a flowering light regime.

the plants with the roots continuously removed were all male and the others were female like the donor.

in addition the males produced viable pollen.

i haven't been able to try it yet.

i think the alien dawg might like to try this.

Ya don't say. ...

A no root pop. .. that would make some interesting pictures. ..lol

I just happen to have some Alien og clones, just showing roots. ..

Maybe put half way into a cup of perlite with jacks at 400 ppm..
Scrape root off every other day or so. ..hymn. ..
Toss them into the tent and see.
Interesting ...

This GA 3 is making all the he-she ladies stretch like made so I cut the top off GSC and tossed it in pool 1 with a plastic bag over her (getto dome)

48 hours and still standing tall. .lol

The pools are getting full of little turd tops that I tossed in for no good reason. .lol

Looking great D9.. Always up to good stuff. . Rock on, bro. .

 

[delta9nxs]

here is the abstract for it. they want us to buy the whole thing.

i see i got the flower light schedule wrong as they used 16 and then 18 hours in the experiment. i would like to see the whole thing because at some point they almost had to switch to a flowering schedule.

 

[delta9nxs]

i had to trim a branch off a plant on the 18th because it was threatening to dominate the plant. just sort of goofing around i poked a hole in the medium of another plant that had just been transplanted.

i took a couple of lower branches off and put it in and tamped it. nothing else. no rooting hormone, no scarifying, no dome. no flora nova bloom.

this is 19 days.

i transplanted it back into a clone container for a few days while i wait until i move a plant out of the veg room. i will start this clone in the next one.

this was a really large cutting that had all the superstructure on it that you see here. no material was removed during the rooting process.

this was in the regular jack's formula at 600 ppm. it didn't even discolor.

 

[disciple]

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

i had to trim a branch off a plant on the 18th because it was threatening to dominate the plant. just sort of goofing around i poked a hole in the medium of another plant that had just been transplanted.

i took a couple of lower branches off and put it in and tamped it. nothing else. no rooting hormone, no scarifying, no dome. no flora nova bloom.

this is 19 days.

i transplanted it back into a clone container for a few days while i wait until i move a plant out of the veg room. i will start this clone in the next one.

this was a really large cutting that had all the superstructure on it that you see here. no material was removed during the rooting process.

this was in the regular jack's formula at 600 ppm. it didn't even discolor.

Ain't it grand....

 

[forkup]

It looks like the cut likes the irrigation, maybe a cloning option to explore a mini ppk cloner. I remember another thread from here on icmag about taking larger clones and the veg time it could save. With your schedule and the size of the rooted clone it looks like it could shave a week off your veg time, a good deal all around.

 

[bloyd]

Found these containers for 9.98 today at menards. http://www.maccourt.com/products/ponds/pp2607.html. They are heavy duty and would work great for growing really large plants.

 

[delta9nxs]

9 days.

with scarifying and hormone (dip-n-grow).

10-12" cuts rooting fast with no dome in the same exact solution i am now using for both veg and bloom. ec 1.2 or 600 ppm jack's mixed at .666.

they also did this without any discoloration at all in the light field of a 1k hps at about 3.5 ft 12 hours per day. and 400 watts of daylight flo's 24/7.

as i'm filling the flower room the environment is getting more stable and i'm once again finding 600 ppm to be the balance point in flower. the res runs right around 970-1030 ppm or so. ph is stable at 5.9. i still have not dumped the first filling except for individual plant containers as the plants are finished with whatever phase they are in. in general whenever i have an exposed bucket for any reason i''l rough scrub it with a nylon brush, dump it, rinse by allowing it to fill and dumping once more. a quick scumbuster routine.

in veg i'm getting high speed growth with the same input so i'm thinking of removing the veg res for the floor space and running it all off the flower room reservoir since it is so oversize anyway.

in view of the first 5 cuttings all rooting in the container i think i'll put 5 or 6 modules in the room and start larger cuttings in them and see if i can get to flowering size in 6 weeks.

 

[icdog]

D9 are your plants sitting on something to raise them a bit above the level of the bottom of the res? I'm wondering if this is needed to drain out the water from the buckets after the pulse or does it all just flow back and stabilize?

Do you use the same lines when flowering is done or get new garden hose?

My test ppk is doing really amazing and so far I've transplanted about 8 plants from soil into an interim wick ppk setup till I get the main ppk going.
I found some rectangular containers from uline that I think will work well. Basically the same size as the tuff tubs but they might be better for spacing for my setup.

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

It JUST keeps getting better..
How much easier could cloning get...

Are u pulse feeding or just let them sit in wick fed medium ?