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2 years 3 nute programs same problem week 4

Tokesome

Member
How can you be ceratain its not off gassing. It looks as if it is or can be, off gassing can look very different depending on plant stage, strength of gas, temps etc.

I'm currently dealing with my second off gassing in a grow. The first time it took me a couple of years to suss it out, and I was following all the deficiency, water quality routes as most people do for these symptoms.

Let me give you something to ponder. You've been having issues for a couple of years yes? The same stock do well in other grows, friends etc. probably in the same area/water supply, and you give them a specifically designed cannabis nutrients. Do you really conclude that there are long term deficiency problems from the above. Off gassing is too easily overlooked, and responsible for a lot of the problem grows and sick plants on this and other sites. I agree that there are nute deficiencies and inability to take up the nutes properly, but I believe the route cause for this and many like it is off gassin, and once sorted the plants will be healthy and give better yields, regardless of how well you do now.

Check a list of possible gassing contaniments, there are so many. The most serious in modern homes is carpet and carpet glue. Just drawing air from the house that has one or two carpets, new or old is enough to kill or mame plants.

I'm not here to be a troll, I'm serious, I went through such hard frustrating times sorting the problem out two or three years ago, once I put in a sealed room with fresh air intake my yields trippled. This time, my first here, I have the same problem but much mmore severe, the place has new carpets throughout, apart from the grow room. The neg pressure is enough to bring enough poisonous gas to kill plants dead in a week. I'm hoping I've saved mine now I've upped the ventilation to HUGE and fresh air intakes from out doors. The neg pressure is still too high though and am currently screwing battons all over the place to prevent the black and white imploding into the room. I need more air in to cope with the output fan, a 8inch RVK L1, I currently have 2 6inch passive ducts coming in and a 4inch RVK powered intake. I still have way too much neg pressure going on, but will be sorted in the next couple of days. The girls, early veg stage, have taken such a hiding, I can only hope they can make it back.

Seriously mate don't discount off gassing, if I was a gambling man, which I am I'd put 7-1 on that your issue is some form of off gassing.

Rhino are one of my favs, and quite tollerent to nute variations, as I remember thay don't like their food too strong and spicy ;-)

Hope this helps to at least go through what I've said, if it bears out, its gonna save you a lot of stress and wild deficiency chasing IMO.

Good luck with solving tings

Toke
 

Stonefree69

Veg & Flower Station keeper
Veteran
How can you be ceratain its not off gassing. It looks as if it is or can be, off gassing can look very different depending on plant stage, strength of gas, temps etc.

I'm currently dealing with my second off gassing in a grow. The first time it took me a couple of years to suss it out, and I was following all the deficiency, water quality routes as most people do for these symptoms.

Let me give you something to ponder. You've been having issues for a couple of years yes? The same stock do well in other grows, friends etc. probably in the same area/water supply, and you give them a specifically designed cannabis nutrients. Do you really conclude that there are long term deficiency problems from the above. Off gassing is too easily overlooked, and responsible for a lot of the problem grows and sick plants on this and other sites. I agree that there are nute deficiencies and inability to take up the nutes properly, but I believe the route cause for this and many like it is off gassin, and once sorted the plants will be healthy and give better yields, regardless of how well you do now.

Check a list of possible gassing contaniments, there are so many. The most serious in modern homes is carpet and carpet glue. Just drawing air from the house that has one or two carpets, new or old is enough to kill or mame plants.
A little while back there was concerns about toxic off gassing from N-G-W 1/2" hose. Some say it was a rumor spread by Big Mike from AN at Rosebud magazine because he was mad at Sunlight Supply but IDK some concerns looked legit. I don't go near AN stuff myself. He hates those other hydro companies and complains yet his stuff is more expensive for one and a lot of his business practices have much to be desired. Doesn't walk the walk but talks a heck of a lot. Wet Betty wants sum Bud Candy.

All I can say is use process of elimination and you're sure to eventually find the cause of the problem. Maybe try more A-B tests and also use a bunch of tomato plants if need be.
 
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medicalmj

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...Genetics play a big role...

And those genetics can be mutated by a virus. Notice in the first pic that some of the leafs are slightly distorted and have a bit of a mosaic coloring. I have a trainwreck that has the same looking distortions and it does the exact same thing while the plant next to it remains green to harvest. Both receive identical everything.

So yeah, I too have concluded it must be genetics.
 

medicalmj

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Stonefree69

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Veteran
Why does anyone here think it's bad for leaves to yellow on week 5?

More info on Senescence.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=190022&highlight=yellowing
I just passed week 5 of flower on Friday and no signs of yellowing anywhere. There was some mild yellowing on new growth around week 3 or 4 but that disappeared, now all a nice green.

I'm in RDWC about 1.4 EC or a bit higher they don't seem to mind. Bloom nutes right from the getgo switching to 12-12. These were veged for 12 weeks too (situation had no choice otherwise 8-10 week veg) and an inch from ceiling right now. Thank goodness stretch is over. Stretch seemed to be in late veg hitting over 3" a day growth, slowed some in flower. String/ceiling hook trained for now where it needs it. Buds fattening up nice, they're sativa dom bagseed my bro saved. :dance013:

Next time Horti Trellis nylon and tomato clips, Hydrofarm trellis uses hydrophobic polyester (but somewhat less durable fabric anyway) may try that too. Nice big 6" or 7" squares too easy to work in/around. I try to keep support minimal but effective.
 

pip313

Member
Why does anyone here think it's bad for leaves to yellow on week 5?

More info on Senescence.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=190022&highlight=yellowing

I didnt say the plants yellow I said the plants yellow HARD, when your plant is almost dead somethings wrong so with all due respect dont try to make me look like a newb who expects lush green plants after flush.

My issue was too high ec, I have the same strain at week 6 and its perfect. Im still ditching the strain but thats over the 11 weeks of 12/12 it needs.

Im done with dwc for a while can I keep 1.2ec with rockwool?
 

pip313

Member
Yield was 12oz, signifigantly less than what it should have been but I did think it was dead at one point. My smallest tree yield off my 2nd biggest tree, at least I learned something.
 

pimpinjim

New member
I know this is a older thread but you said 2 years same issue to me it looks like a mag. Deff all the way when I grow in coco around week 4 12/12 they just start craving it I'll have to do full dose for a straight week to get it back in order. That's my best guess because if all you are using is the base line that's the main thing I can see that would be missing. Pick up some gh cal mag or just a pure mag. Or micro nutrient supplement.
 

gmanwho

Well-known member
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I have a idea what it is but I want unbiased opinions.

I used to think it was a ph issue as i did not have a meter for a long time but the last 2 harvests proved it is not ph. I check ph daily and adjust only initially as ph doesnt rise too much before change out.

Change out is every 2 weeks with water and nute top offs to maintain ec of at least 1.6.

2 weeks is a very long time to go in between rez changes. very long time.
 

gmanwho

Well-known member
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A chart somewhere said 7 days before nutes start to change, past 9-10 really pushing it.

Stage depend it too.... myself in mid flower (16-20 3ft multi topped plants) i usually got 5 days on a 40 gal rez before 2/3rds is consumed. to learn for your grow the Best thing you can do, since every stage of growth is different, if you notice a growth spurt after a rez change, you waited to long to change the rez. less days in between next time. growth should be constistant, pistols should keep developing all the way into flush. b-safe
 
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When I first got cyclamen mites I chased phantom cal mag and nitrogen issues for almost 7 months. My IPM was pretty good so I didnt get a fullout outbreak until about 8 months. Get a scope check it out. This problems becoming more common so every grower needs to get a scope because if the trend continues upward everyone will get them eventually, and when you do they're devastating.
 

pip313

Member
It was my 5 gallon buckets, I had a infection that wasn't noticeable until I added new "expired" aqua shield. That made it much worse and I scrapped everything buckets lids pumps hoses air stones. I started over and I'm good again but due to lack of space for a bunch of 5 gallon buckets in veg I abandoned the dwc and went ebb and flow with coco. I'm liking it more now honestly. Running dwc in a house with no basement isn't easy when you only have 2 bedrooms total and want one to sleep in.
 

Stonefree69

Veg & Flower Station keeper
Veteran
It was my 5 gallon buckets, I had a infection that wasn't noticeable until I added new "expired" aqua shield. That made it much worse and I scrapped everything buckets lids pumps hoses air stones. I started over and I'm good again but due to lack of space for a bunch of 5 gallon buckets in veg I abandoned the dwc and went ebb and flow with coco. I'm liking it more now honestly. Running dwc in a house with no basement isn't easy when you only have 2 bedrooms total and want one to sleep in.
My veg station is in my bedroom that I sleep in. ;) It's only 3' by 5.5' and I use 4' by 8' foamboard partitions. Not loud at all, it's basically like having a bathroom fan on for white noise, but I have slept through people doing my roof... I frame them with 1x2s for support and cut out 1'x2' vent holes in top & bottom each.


Blows away any tent, I have 8' ceilings & a 1"x4" wood board nailed in ceiling joists that supports my T5s from ceiling hooks. I use darkroom louvers (2 - 12"x12") on my outside bedroom wall that faces living room that were $50 each so I can vent & close bedroom door. Plus a 8" vent fan/filter that exhausts into my bathroom. Easy Peasy. :blowbubbles:
 

gmanwho

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It was my 5 gallon buckets, I had a infection that wasn't noticeable until I added new "expired" aqua shield. That made it much worse and I scrapped everything buckets lids pumps hoses air stones. I started over and I'm good again but due to lack of space for a bunch of 5 gallon buckets in veg I abandoned the dwc and went ebb and flow with coco. I'm liking it more now honestly. Running dwc in a house with no basement isn't easy when you only have 2 bedrooms total and want one to sleep in.

There must have been a problem somewhere else as well, aqua shield is not necessary for dwc. Temps and or improper aeration maybe???. DWC is tough, but when you nail it down, it produces ridiculous growth an healthy plants. A zyme product i found always helpful. in fact i started using pondzyme from jungle. You get the right beneficials living an they tend to keep things in line. then they eat each other. shit each other out, then the roots consume whats been processed. Happy happy happy!!! b-safe
 
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