Everybody a breeder ?

[GeorgeWBush]

odds are not guarantees. that's my argument.and I'm not oblivious to anything you've said as hard to follow as you are.and we've had discussions on quite a few different topic's that revolve around a philosophical difference in the importance of math/science to cannabis breeding.I don't refute or your methods or your knowledge or your practicle application of that knowledge.I'm just saying that cannabis is so unique and diverse that other method's that acheive the same results either knowingly or unknowingly can't be ignored and dismissed as hack work.Personally I think the more people who employ their own methods and are passionate about the finest cannabis the better.we can all learn something about ourselves and each other by giving credence to individual methods in other words I dissagree that there is only one right way and 1,000 wrong way's to breed cannabis what truly matters most to me is that you have a passion for it.Have a good night Tom and that is sincere.`

 

[Tom Hill]

Nobody ever said that that there was only one way George, what was stated is that it takes a lot more of you know-nothing hacks with your clueless methods to add up to the same worth as that if you all had some kind of a clue. And that is just as true now as it was in the opening arguments.

 

[Weird]

 

[xmobotx]

oh but odds are guarantees

every casino in the world is built on money guaranteed by odds

thanks for playing

 

[Weird]

 

[Weird]

paradigms were meant to be broken

if you control the PH the nutrient supply the ambient soil and air temps the humidity light cycle and a myriad of other environmental you control the phenotype and chemical phenotype expression

if you control the genetic and the environment the other variables in the norm of reaction are less critical but rather become simply relative

 

[xmobotx]

weird; what you are speaking to is getting the most out of the genetics and not so much arriving at the best genetics to then work w/

unless you are referencing the development of a strain that will perform it's best in that specific environment

idk if there are un-made points or you are not on point


The PIX look great though!!!

 

[GET MO]

Breeding sounds like an interesting field. I never put any effort into it, Im more the chuck pollen and find a keeper type. Respect to those that do breed, but Ive found some gems in pollen chucks that rival and at some times beat both the parents and other true breeders work. I think many of the cali elite strains were created by accidental pollination or by pollen chuckers. There is still a place for true bred genetics tho, and my hats off to those that take the time to create and preserve original genetics and ibls.

 

[stickshift]

Who's Ton and what is a hyper hermaphrodite? tehee.

I will bet that the plant is XX, and rich in male modifying autosomal factors. Further that you'll see a vast swing towards the female phenotype in the following generation. Whether or not that generation will be plagued with the same phenomenon we see here, will be determined by the homozygosity/heterozygosity/prepotency of those autosomal regions, and their ability to pass that trait onto the next generation. In my (and Dj's, and Charlies, and many others') experience, the trait is complex enough to bet against that from happening the majority of the time. There is one way to find out.

The last bit is the only bit that differs for me as I have seen the upswing in females and that with it (in both Bog's and Dj's F-13 stock). I also find it odd that it is prevalent in F-13 (was a "backward hermie" used in the lineage somewhere?), although I feel F-13 is a great line for finding outstanding females for use in breeding.. So although the female may of come from this stock, It will still be used for breeding, just like I imagine in nature it would be.

edit: I see post 1630 has it covered.

 

[kaochiu]

if speculating is allowed in page 100 odd...

 

[offthehook]

So you are saying of the 10-15%, pluck a few early male parts and the plants tend to flower fine after?

Thanks,

No, I'm not saying that.

Once a hermy, always a hermy.

What I am saying is that you should definatly get rid of those 'early hermies', but that the good thing is that all other females will not turn into hermies later on. (my peticular batches, several hundereds of plants, were 100% consistent for that... Provided, no false light was comming in)
Normally if you get a hermy phrone batch of seeds, there will be no telling when the bananas will pop up. > Usually half way bloom or near the end, wich will fuck up your entire crop ofcourse.

The good thing about my hermies was that they all would show gender already in the first two weeks of flowering > so you have ample time to notice them and kick them out together with the true males before wasting any more precious time on them.

Seeds like this will be most effective when starting from seed straight on 12/12.

 

[Mate Dave]

Tom I see you still haven’t learned anything, and yet you still like to badmouth me.


Why did I hurt you so Bad!


I can't take you seriously Tom.

 

[canned abyss1]

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Weird]

 

[Weird]

those are simply shots of the resin matrix of a couple popular elites and a strain i bred

at least have a baseline for the work of a hack so science knows what bar was set before it decided to be a defining factor in selection

 

[Jbomber79]

little brown

little brown

Looks great man, I did notice the majority of the trichs are brown..I was told this is a bit over-ripened/pulled off late? like to know what your take was on this.. what strain? nice pics

 

[dramamine]

"i like this plant" is not a selection method, it's a selection criteria, a legitimate one referred to as breeders preference and judged on a scale of 1-10, where/what you plug that criteria into, is where undeniable maths take over.

This bears repeating.

 

[homebrew420]

Tom, since you seem to be one of the only breeders here active, is your job as a breeder ductated ay all by customer wants? Growing plants that lack vigor flavor and effect what is the point? Though I am not dumb enough to see the picture of an offered variety and believe for a second that's what I will find, I sstill want to find that pheno.
If a fairly homogenized population is what we as growers want, and a goal for the breeder how do you explain the great diversity then within what appears to be moderate selection of a huge population. Using your Deep Chunk as an example, growing seeds of 10 ones chance to find a true keeper is ime less than 10%. Of 20 seeds not a one worth a damn. And herein may lie one of the other discrepencies between breeder/grower. Breeder sees genetic value where the grower does not. As a breeder this is of great value to understand, not saying you don't value, for the reason of grower easy and enjoyment.
In what ways would you say you have improved upon say the original stock of deep chunk or x18? Not trying to be dick. Real curious. I pose these questions for uderstanding not to berate you.
We cannabis enthusiasts love novelty. We also love heavy yields.. and vigor.. and flavor.
I have grown, and tossed both Deep and X-18 as they did not really have noticeable effects, or much flavor. Currenty growing US soldier(not from here) collected Mazar that will be worked and crossed to other landrace/farmed varieties of the region and elswhere. I will be thinking about some of the thing mentioned here. Thanks in advance. Hope I don't sound like a dick.
Haha

Peace

 

[Lemon Larry]

Sorry every one

Sorry every one

TomHILL, i am sorry for my rant and for acting like a asshole ! i have
anger issues and sometimes i loose control
i mean you no disrespect, i belive you to be one of the pionners
of cannabis and wish you the best on all you're future endevers
i will try in future to contruibte only postive vibes on IC
and will try to keep the negativity to my self

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

Of the handful F-13's I've run, intersex seems the norm. I've got another female in veg so we will see if it can go a full round without issue. If the he/she does make viable seed, I will test progeny to get a base line for how strong the intersex presence is in copy over. I'd love to have a wider base of opinion, but I don't think I can send any of these in as freebies in good conscious. Would definitely require a 'grower beware' sticker or something.