Everybody a breeder ?

[pip313]

Oh come on guys I would just use marker assisted tech etc and smoke him to pieces, and he would just use his newly acquired knowledge of genotyping via selfing etc, and finally get somewhere. Btw, is it cool if the "seed" I send in look like frog eggs?

Your claim to use gene sequencing, in order to mark anything you need to know what your looking at. Research budgets anyone?

 

[Tom Hill]

No, I said I would -and no perhaps not for all genes, but for some critical ones, sure. The lab is operating but still being developed as we speak, like I said, you have at least a couple of months. You have no idea who my colleagues are, and no idea of our budget, but like I said, keep talking.

 

[pip313]

Unless your collegue is IAM, Allah, jahouva, god, or whatever you call him you do not understand every gene. If your key genes are height flower time and thc level related then simply growing and bio-assaying does the same thing.

We did not have gene marking used in the 90's and yet all the basis for todays strains is nothin more than crossing the same old strains over and over. Unless landraces are used but those too are unnaturally selected if they are worth a damn.

 

[Tom Hill]

Nobody is claiming to understand every gene, but associations between cannabinoid/terpenoid profiles and Weird's (mine too) all important "how it makes one feel", are already being made. You simply grow it if you want, I'd rather know before hand haha

The bases of whose strains?

 

[mexcurandero420]

Don't forget the issue disease resistance.If a strain is bred inside for medical purposes it would be wise to think something to do about e.g. spider mite resistance or let's not forget fungi resistance.It's not nice to offer patients medical cannabis loaded with pesticides and mycotoxines.Just an idea.

Some history

DON’T FORGET OUR HISTORY

Keep on growing

 

[pip313]

I dont doubt the usefulness i doubt the ability. What gene codes for spidermite resistance? Trick question many genes are likely to be involved. There are reasons companies have 9 diget research budgets.

 

[pip313]

The basis for who's strains? Your first strain listed on seed boutique flat out claims to be from the 70's was gene marking used then? Cant have it both ways bro.


Tom hill deep chunk:
Deep Chunk This unique broadleaf from Afghanistan was introduced to Northern California in the latter part of the 1970's.
A fast flowering plant with thick stems, short internodes, and excellent resin production of the highest quality.
The smoke is thick and full-bodied. Flavors range from skunk to Hashy pine, from grapefruit, to chocolate, to coffee.
Deep Chunk breeds true for many traits and has earned a solid reputation as a valuable tool in many breeding programs. Yield: low/medium Flowering time: 8 weeks +/-


Breeds true for many traits yet has atleast 3 very different smell/tastes. Or in other words its the same as from anyone else, parents pass some traits to each plant and you still have to plant a few to find one you want.

Also note how he advertises that buyers use it for breeding thier own seeds? The very thing he says we dont have the skill/equiptment to do? Another cant have it both ways bro moment.

 

[Tom Hill]

Pests/diseases do not survive in vitro phases, and patients in the near future will receive pathogen free meds grown in clean environments without the need for pesticides etc, that is the future of medicinal cannabis. IE, you'll be growing for your headstash and black market sure, but you'll have no place for calling what you do "producing medicine" for others in the not so far off future, it ain't coming down like that, unless you get with the program.

No pip not marketing but truth, falling under your umbrella of landraces as apposed to "the basis for todays strains is nothin more than crossing the same old strains over and over."

and pip I said breeding programs, not buyers, but I have no problem with either, and never have, I just wish some of you buyers would actually develop a skillset enough to actually call what you're doing a breeding program is all.

and PS, I worked hard to maintain the variations still existing in that particular line.

 

[Tonygreen]

Keep it coming Tom, I'm developing a skillset from all of this!

 

[pip313]

Pests/diseases do not survive in vitro phases, and patients in the near future will receive pathogen free meds grown in clean environments without the need for pesticides etc, that is the future of medicinal cannabis.

and pip I said breeding programs, not buyers, but I have no problem with either, and never have, I just wish some of you buyers would actually develop a skillset enough to actually call what you're doing a breeding program is all.

I don't breed personally i just believe i can do the same research and acquire the same practical experience i chose to. I do wish to produce selfed seeds of one of my strains then growing and reselfing until i have a relatively stable set of genetics. I will be using you advice in this thread so dont think im a total hater but breeders are not doing something i cant do.

If you believe the future is sterile seeds and a professional grade clean room your asking for alot. The future is now lol. Illegal and underground is reality.

 

[Weird]

what about the people who found relief from pot before science said it was medicine

you forget science was used to assert prohibition in the first place

its not a scientist understanding or even the method science but their integrity in its application that matters

 

[Tom Hill]

I don't breed personally i just believe i can do the same research and acquire the same practical experience.

I agree Pip, I agree.

 

[stickshift]

I don't breed personally i just believe i can do the same research and acquire the same practical experience i chose to.

If you believe the future is sterile seeds and a professional grade clean room your asking for alot. The future is now lol. Illegal and underground is reality.

lol you just made me choke a lil on my char siu! hell I believe I can fly, but before I attempt it I'm doing all the research I can just to make sure.....

 

[Tom Hill]

God damn Weird you and others keep making that same argument, have you not met your government? Again, there will be a place on the black market for all of that to be sure. I'd even go as far as to say some of it will be leaps and bounds better than what will be allowed to be called medicine. But again, have you met your government, lol? Go tell them you have a natural art and that you are moved by cannabis in some way that provides you great insight on the subject, then get back to me about what they say lol.

 

[N. Accumbens]

Ooops, sorry Mr. Hill and everyone else posting - the chain in the kitchen fell off its hook... started wandering- found myself in the library checking out the cool black squiggly lines on the papers in there.

Realizing my error I am now back to baking this apple pie, realizing I have absolutely no idea what the heck you all are talking about.

The only words that do seem to ring a bell are "son" and "research budget" - so just committing to those two is a big enough chunk of pie as is.

Ill leave the theories and confusing ad hoc arguments to the "fellas".

I fixed the latch on the chain, alls well.

Peace...

Nacc

Please let me know if anyone comes to any decent conclusions.

 

[Tom Hill]

and I am still wondering, truthfully Weird, do you really think you can not improve your selections through a deeper understanding of the science? Do you really think what Mel was talking about is what I am?

 

[xmobotx]

Las Vegas makes a fortune on feelings vs statistics. Apparently a whole lotta people believe what they believe in spite of statistical modeling. My guess is that is not changing anytime soon.

lol; we have seen a direct comparison fall on deaf ears/unanswered

even better analogy than i initially thought

chance is kind of a funny thing and luck is definitely no lady

 

[Weird]

and I am still wondering, truthfully Weird, do you really think you can not improve your selections through a deeper understanding of the science? Do you really think what Mel was talking about is what I am?

show me where i ever asked that question and ill dignify it

i asked you the quantify your claims in regards to how you run numbers because your information it is so scaled to your breeding preference I want to be able to calculate the same relative odds in differing scenarios

and not for nothing Tom i said several times i commend your expertise and my biggest argument is that the personal value a breeder matters as much as their application of science and that includes you MOST ESPECIALLY YOU

well before you could mark the genes for that pure haze you Tom Hill knew what you wanted from it

what science drove you to do that to search for those phenotypes or were you searching for an experience that you had before?

Tom science may change your chance of success but wont change you, the foundation of choice and decision in the first place

now if you had come in and said your not a real breeder until you have done what i have done or your not a real breeder cause im tom mother fucking hill i would have simply agreed

but when you say science made all the difference and start stating why and it doesn't jive with what i have experienced expect me to ask questions

and when you post science and it doesn't address all the elements expect that it would raise more questions

and if the logic is flawed attack it not me

i never talked shit or encouraged people talk shit about anyone but i sure am the target of it the minute i questioned you

its all good, I have the integrity to be honest about how I feel regardless if it wins or loses me the IC popularity contest

if i did it would make everything i said or done insincere and if you know me at all you know that's not me

 

[new3]

wierd you kinda avoided the question asked earlier, if you care to tell how you made a specific cross instead of giving vague answers that leave you looking like you dont know what your talking about. I'd kind of like to hear a story like a childrens book documenting your selective proccesses when it comes to breeding a particular strain and what you are looking for, again be specific or keep talking out of your ass and trying to evade questions because you know your wrong. i'd really like to hear your simplistic breeding methods and how it's an art. prove me wrong i dare ya

 

[mexcurandero420]

Pests/diseases do not survive in vitro phases, and patients in the near future will receive pathogen free meds grown in clean environments without the need for pesticides etc, that is the future of medicinal cannabis. IE, you'll be growing for your headstash and black market sure, but you'll have no place for calling what you do "producing medicine" for others in the not so far off future, it ain't coming down like that, unless you get with the program.

and PS, I worked hard to maintain the variations still existing in that particular line.

Pest/diseases do not survive under a gamma-radiated regime like in some countries which has a legal medical marijuana program, but if you take a visit to one of the facilities white fly is flying around like cockroaches.

What particular line are you talking about btw???

Keep on growing