Everybody a breeder ?

[xmobotx]

and tom like me they are relying on hybrid vigor

 

[Tom Hill]

most don't even understand that concept bro, let alone how to increase the odds of achieving it.

 

[Tom Hill]

eg if you take the time to find via selfing your most homozygous individual, then do the same with another divergent line, maximum heterosis will likely occur, yet nobody goes there.

 

[Tom Hill]

they do "art" and people defend it, it makes me want to puke.

 

[Mate Dave]

'Heterosis' in a mono Hybrid is the 'ideal' concept of a commercial strain or breed to me. Others will have varying opinions, if it is good the f2's will be most interesting. This F2 offspring evaluates the success/accuracy of the F1 cross, it is sometimes called the monohybrid ratio. This F2 generation theoretically like Tom says should mathematically produce a 75% chance for the appearance of the dominant phenotype or 'breed' of which two-thirds are heterozygous, and the last third or 25% shows the appearance of the recessive P1 phenotype.

 

[Tom Hill]

Let's call it single-cross hybrid,,, the term mono hybrid refers to tracking but a single trait in a cross.

 

[TheArchitect]

So finding the most stable of two very different lines and crossing them to get an f1 of high hybrid vigor and a fair amount of pheno predictability is a difficult or hard to understand concept?

 

[Tom Hill]

while we are at it, the term polyhybrid refers to tracking 3 or more traits in a cross, and has absolutely nothing to do with how many parents went into to the pedigree.

 

[Mate Dave]

Let's call it single-cross hybrid,,, the term mono hybrid refers to tracking but a single trait in a cross.

I like the term Mono-Hybrid, that is the terminology and it is how I meant it to be portrayed Tom. A cross of 2 dissimilar lines that show 'Heterosis' and stand true to type in varying environments.

Stop changing what I say to fit your needs Tom, I know what I'm on about, I meant Mono-Hybrid as this is the most advanced Breed in my opinion, it offers the best opportunities to go forward either way. It of course means that all the traits selected for will breed true, regardless of selecting individuals to breed they all will do well.


Isn't this the definitive principle of breeding?

 

[Tom Hill]

yes, because (TA) you are thinking it seems to me two "stable" lines, and what is required is two homozygous individuals proven by way of genotyping, these are entirely different concepts.

 

[TheArchitect]

No mate Tom is correct.

 

[Tom Hill]

think about it as you want Matt, you are using the term incorrectly and I know how important your vocabulary is to you.

 

[xmobotx]

inasmuch as most any line is likely multi poly hybrid line bred to regional homogeneity when the 1st breeder gets it how far is your turn down the line?

or is it all cannabis comes from the same?

 

[TheArchitect]

yes, because (TA) you are thinking it seems to me two "stable" lines, and what is required is two homozygous individuals proven by way of genotyping, these are entirely different concepts.

I thought thats what I articulated, you take the most stable, ie True breeding individual, of two different lines and cross them to get a f1. If you did the work right, you'll have a narrower band of phenotypes and a (hopefully) very vigorous plant.


Is my use of "stable" wrong? To be proper should I say homozygous?

 

[Tom Hill]

X I do not speak weird when not fully puddled lol. IE I do not understand the question

 

[Tom Hill]

I thought thats what I articulated, you take the most stable, ie True breeding individual, of two different lines and cross them to get a f1. If you did the work right, you'll have a narrower band of phenotypes and a (hopefully) very vigorous plant.

Yes sir that is correct.

 

[Tom Hill]

Will you get there with art? Am I a piece of shit for pointing out that no, you won't?

 

[TheArchitect]

All of this is really common sense (to me at least), I just don't know all the terminology yet. And I've never fully studied biology, I was more into chemistry, always had an infatuation with energetic materials.

 

[Mate Dave]

think about it as you want Matt, you are using the term incorrectly and I know how important your vocabulary is to you.

Explain to me how you are to be able to determine that I have a differing understanding of the concept, even before I explain myself. (Your not that good Tom) Elaborate please.....

Tom the floor is yours. How I meant it is perfectly correct when applied how I am applying it. If it isn't how I say it is get some of this 'Copy paste literature off the tinterweb' and paste it here to further explain you definition of the meaning.

Surely you will jump at an opportunity to show me up.

 

[Tom Hill]

yeah when folk hear something that makes sense they say "well yes, of course" as if it came from their own mouth, as if nothing is being said at all. It's alright, I do the same thing from time to time, that's a fact.