I use the pots to move plants around. But with my double layer of trellis this becomes impossible after day 14.
I may be switching back to coco beds soma style.
I may be switching back to coco beds soma style.
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LilMan72003
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magnesium
magnesium
Gemini,
The improved yields witnessed with the epson salts is due to it being comprised mostly of magnesium sulfate, a relatively readily accessible form of magnesium. It is a helpful tool if you sense a deficiency and need a "quick fix". Always helpful to take care of the issue before it becomes a problem, which is why I would suggest building a balanced soil mix which includes magnesium, available in various rock dusts/mineral supplements. A good one is PMS (heheh) aka Potassium Magnesium Sulfate. And of course, stick with the ewc and kelp.
magnesium
Not sure how this logic will pan out in cannabis land but it worked quite well for our veggies last year .... We foliar sprayed our veggies(tomato,peppers) w a mixture of kelp meal, Ewc and epsom salt .... Originally got the idea from an organic farmer who did a test of no spray vs Epsom salt foliar .... He gained more yeild from the Epsom foliar vs non-Epsom .... So I just tweaked it w Ewc and kelp and we had phenomenal results
I'm gonna test it out on my outdoor girls and see how they do with Epsom foliar sprays this season .... I'll be spraying up till first week of September to help avoid excess moisture in the buds .... avoid the dreaded grey mold ......if it works in a similar fashion ... Should dense up the buds and help stack the weight ........ We shall see
Respect .... Your garden looks superb!!! No till in the way to go .... How out greenhouse and veggie beds were set up at the old place .... New house new bedswish we could have taken them w us lol
Gemini,
The improved yields witnessed with the epson salts is due to it being comprised mostly of magnesium sulfate, a relatively readily accessible form of magnesium. It is a helpful tool if you sense a deficiency and need a "quick fix". Always helpful to take care of the issue before it becomes a problem, which is why I would suggest building a balanced soil mix which includes magnesium, available in various rock dusts/mineral supplements. A good one is PMS (heheh) aka Potassium Magnesium Sulfate. And of course, stick with the ewc and kelp.
Perpetual SOG is what works for me older plants that need the bright light most are always positioned closest to the lamp.
obviously you are feeding ACT but what nutes are you amending your soil with and are you giving any extra nutes when you water?
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OrganicOzarks
I just re-amended my first room. I use plenty of amendments, as well my teas contain "extra" food in flower. There is plenty of food for the plants. No deficiencies at all. Firstly I am going to work on keeping an even canopy. Which I have already done to the room in the picture at the beginning of this thread. I will post an updated picture once week four is over. My plants are happier than a pig at a waste water treatment plant.
Canopy management, and extending the veg time will be what I work on now.
what kind of yields do you get if you don't mind me asking?
mono-croppin' or multiple strains?
small pots or big no-tills or something else?
I am assuming vert?
sorry for all the ?'s
OrganicOzarks,
Sorry if this doesn't make sense but, are you looking to increase yield for each harvest or your total yield for the year or just your GPW?
I could be wrong but I think these are all totally different things.
I wanna give an example but I don't know average yields for ROLS in different size containers but I imagine a few big trees a year vs. a whole lotta little plants all the time would result in much different numbers. Idk maybe I'm stoned.
This is why I posted our yield per number of days per watt.
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OrganicOzarks
I am shooting for higher gram/watt. Right now I am at .5gram/watt. I would like to get much more than that. However I will have to sacrifice diversity to get a higher yield. So I will most likely meet some where in the middle, and just run a couple of strains at a time instead of 6 or so. I plan on doing a mono-crop in the near future once I get some other things hammered out. Although long term I see diversity winning out against yield. Who wants to get bored of the same old shit?
You need to calculate how long it takes from planting to harvest to get that 0.75 g/watt that you want otherwise it is meaningless. I think this is what Sour meant.
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vonforne
It is genetics dependent. I can get 1 gram a watt out of some but others .5. The G13 x OH I had I could get 14 ozs out of 5-5 gallons buckets of living soil. Under 2 1ks I can get 22 buckets of well topped plants. That is over 1700 grams on the average. .75 is what Uncle M said before...........bout right. I did have a strain that I got just at 1 gram per watt but on an average I get .75
sooo are me and MM the only ones thinking on the same page here?
Apparently, nobody seems to be getting it.
i get it. first of all, many strains that are top shelf dank imo have issues...slow veg, slow clone, long flower time, small yield...etc...therefore, i think in order to attain some fictional number that books say i can reach, i would have to lower my expectations of variety and quality...and i am not willing to do that.
wanna increase yield
fill a room with high yielding, short flowering, vigorous plants that veg/clone quickly. sog, scrog, big ladies...thats all strain dependant, just which way works best for that strain. but know that if veg lighting, veg space or plant numbers are an issue, this could affect execution of plan. sog- need alot of plants, scrog, need imo to have the veg space=the flower space. to start training at the flip is not condusive to growing many strains at peak yield in scrog. monster ladies poses issues b/c imo the light spread gets blocked when the plants get too high into the light. i think for me big ladies is the way i like it.
sorry bout that...im sure most of that doesnt make any sense to anyone but me, but trust me, it makes sense to me.
i would agree that simple grams per watt is not a perfect measure of yield efficiency... but it is still a good rule of thumb imo, and a calculation that most people should be capable of.
i tend not to quote a GPW figure for plants that take longer than 9-10 weeks because obviously it starts getting a little skewed. i have grown 14-15 week sativa that would come out well over 2 GPW but obviosly when it takes that long to flower the time needs to be considered.
grams per watt per month... if you like that measure you should be aiming for 0.5 as a very respectable level.
personally i wouldnt compromise my strain selection and use 8 weekers just to get higher yields... so i am happy to use simple gpw for any strains up to 10 weeks.
you can make the calculation more accurate sure.... but it gets more complicated and harder to compare.
VG
i tend not to quote a GPW figure for plants that take longer than 9-10 weeks because obviously it starts getting a little skewed. i have grown 14-15 week sativa that would come out well over 2 GPW but obviosly when it takes that long to flower the time needs to be considered.
grams per watt per month... if you like that measure you should be aiming for 0.5 as a very respectable level.
personally i wouldnt compromise my strain selection and use 8 weekers just to get higher yields... so i am happy to use simple gpw for any strains up to 10 weeks.
you can make the calculation more accurate sure.... but it gets more complicated and harder to compare.
VG
and of course the obvious, 8 week plants will give you 6.5 turns per year. 9 weekers=5.77 tpy, 10 weekers=5.2 tpy
so say your growing predominately 10 week strains and you are getting on average 2 ounces from each plant. you have 1k hps in flower and cycle 8 in at a time... assuming yield would be the same for 8 week strains, sake of argument, than the 10 week strains will net you 83.2oz per year or 44.8g per week...the 8 week strain will net you 104oz or 56 g per week
or an xtra 21 oz...thats equal to 1.33 xtra harvests per year
ranting...sick up in middle of night sweating...lol
i guess we just need to all use the term grams per kw/h
using average harvests of 500grams per 1000watt light per 8 week cycle.
grams per watt per day would be (grams per harvest500)x(harvests per year6.5)=grams per year
(grams per year3250) / 365= (grams per day8.9)
and then watts per day will be 1000w x 12hours=12000watt per day average. or 12kw/h...so then 8.9 divided by 12=0.74 g/kw/h
with a 10 week strain it would be 7.12 gdp divided by 12kw/h=0.59g/kw/h
imho i would use this as a base more than anything else...
1 g/kw/h is a great yielding room imo...this means you are pulling over 1.5 lbs off each 1000watt light per cycle.
back to bed
and of course the obvious, 8 week plants will give you 6.5 turns per year. 9 weekers=5.77 tpy, 10 weekers=5.2 tpy
so say your growing predominately 10 week strains and you are getting on average 2 ounces from each plant. you have 1k hps in flower and cycle 8 in at a time... assuming yield would be the same for 8 week strains, sake of argument, than the 10 week strains will net you 83.2oz per year or 44.8g per week...the 8 week strain will net you 104oz or 56 g per week
or an xtra 21 oz...thats equal to 1.33 xtra harvests per year
ranting...sick up in middle of night sweating...lol
i guess we just need to all use the term grams per kw/h
using average harvests of 500grams per 1000watt light per 8 week cycle.
grams per watt per day would be (grams per harvest500)x(harvests per year6.5)=grams per year
(grams per year3250) / 365= (grams per day8.9)
and then watts per day will be 1000w x 12hours=12000watt per day average. or 12kw/h...so then 8.9 divided by 12=0.74 g/kw/h
with a 10 week strain it would be 7.12 gdp divided by 12kw/h=0.59g/kw/h
imho i would use this as a base more than anything else...
1 g/kw/h is a great yielding room imo...this means you are pulling over 1.5 lbs off each 1000watt light per cycle.
back to bed
4/ 6 oz plants is the way i like to do it. less plants, less measuring, training...etc and less plants means you can grow them taller and not worry about losing spread. my 2 cents
seems like he gets it ^^
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dogfishheadie
wanted to see if I could get some help with those who have run a perpetual method. first timer here and having a hard time figuring out the scheduling.
here's what we're going to have, each chamber will have it's own scrog. will be growing C99 which claims to be a 50-60 day strain.
(1) Veg Chamber = 2 plants (400w mh)
(1) Flower Chamber = 2 plants (600w hps)
(1) Flower Chamber = 2 plants. (600w hps)
Our goal is to be able to harvest one flower chamber per month, while staying under a 9 plant limit (including clones and mother). would I just make my cuts every 30 days (assuming 7-10 days for rooting) and let them veg for a month?
time isn't really of essence here, so letting them veg for longer really isn't an issue to give it time to fill out. also, i'm assuming it will take a few months for the cycle to be in full swing?
any info would be appreciated!
here's what we're going to have, each chamber will have it's own scrog. will be growing C99 which claims to be a 50-60 day strain.
(1) Veg Chamber = 2 plants (400w mh)
(1) Flower Chamber = 2 plants (600w hps)
(1) Flower Chamber = 2 plants. (600w hps)
Our goal is to be able to harvest one flower chamber per month, while staying under a 9 plant limit (including clones and mother). would I just make my cuts every 30 days (assuming 7-10 days for rooting) and let them veg for a month?
time isn't really of essence here, so letting them veg for longer really isn't an issue to give it time to fill out. also, i'm assuming it will take a few months for the cycle to be in full swing?
any info would be appreciated!
lets say for ease you are running an 8 week strain, you might get away with vegging each one for a month and that would work out nicely if you were harvesting 1 flower chamber per month.
what you may find is that you need to veg for a little longer,perhaps leave a further 3 weeks for rooting and early veg (you can squeeze the 2 clones into the veg chamber in small pots for a week or two in their early veg stage) then 4 weeks veg, then into flower chamber.
so you will be taking clones every 4 weeks too, and your total time between taking cuts and flowering would be 7 weeks... or adjust as necessary
what you may find is that you need to veg for a little longer,perhaps leave a further 3 weeks for rooting and early veg (you can squeeze the 2 clones into the veg chamber in small pots for a week or two in their early veg stage) then 4 weeks veg, then into flower chamber.
so you will be taking clones every 4 weeks too, and your total time between taking cuts and flowering would be 7 weeks... or adjust as necessary
