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Rhinos Run in Circles
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Nice man 
That much weed is something for anyone to be proud of.
That much weed is something for anyone to be proud of.
mdk ktm
Member
Is there anyway you could make a 5th circle instead of lighting the back sides? If you have the room I would assume it would bump up those numbers?
And Im about to do 2 2400watt flip rooms, basically the same as you but with only 4 600's in each room. Im just trying to plan how to build a recirculating hydro system that can hold big plants in circles.
What I kind of have so far is basically just have 4 5x5 med man tables with the plants in a circle around the bulb. I have had great luck with NFT but this would almost be like SWC and that kinda shit makes me nervous. I was just wondering if you had any other pictures of that SWC system you had posted?
Nice harvest though!
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And Im about to do 2 2400watt flip rooms, basically the same as you but with only 4 600's in each room. Im just trying to plan how to build a recirculating hydro system that can hold big plants in circles.
What I kind of have so far is basically just have 4 5x5 med man tables with the plants in a circle around the bulb. I have had great luck with NFT but this would almost be like SWC and that kinda shit makes me nervous. I was just wondering if you had any other pictures of that SWC system you had posted?
Nice harvest though!
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bro you should really check out veg + bloom. i think you would be glad you did. its sooooo easy. just that and DC for the blumats. no additives. simple as shit. this run was frosty as its ever been and the simplest yet. if it wouldnt have been for the whitefly issues and a few minor faults of my own it would have been near perfect.
im still ironing out my setup issues but the nutrient regimen is spot on and i use the same res for coco, rockwool, ebb and grow, clones, veg you name it lol. 1.8 across the board.
i have seen your work and will be copying your style for my first ever donut, blumat and coco grow in the near future. thanks for the inspiration i just figured i would try and send some good info your way. ive done maxi, but this is the next tier up imho
im still ironing out my setup issues but the nutrient regimen is spot on and i use the same res for coco, rockwool, ebb and grow, clones, veg you name it lol. 1.8 across the board.
i have seen your work and will be copying your style for my first ever donut, blumat and coco grow in the near future. thanks for the inspiration i just figured i would try and send some good info your way. ive done maxi, but this is the next tier up imho
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Thanks guys.
mdk, don't think I've got that kinda room. Gonna try flipping sooner and not getting things so "dense" this time around. Think I might have been a little too crowded this last round.
I've actually thrown around the same idea with the med man style tables.. I'm thinking I could make something similar ..maybe slightly octagon for easier build.. and just have water rush around the donut like a rushing lazy river and overflow back to the res. Really..just similar to heath's orange coliseum thing, but only 1 tier.
I posted some of my older shit in the T5 thread. Check the post below and the one below it in this link
- https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5521986&postcount=62
- https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5521989&postcount=63
now this is my shit.. clean simple automation.
Pumped water into a tray.. it fills and spills over back to the res..
DH, I've got a few small samples of Veg+bloom here, but havnt messed with them. Need to do a cost analysis... how many grams are you using per Gal in Coco? Find a sweet spot? In hydro I watch the EC move.. in coco I need that "perfect" dosage to follow.. I'm weird like that.
I'll get to it.. but I'm sitting on 30lbs of Maxibloom, several gallons of Micro/Bloom, and have 25lbs of Jacks + CalNit on the way. I do like what I've seen so far with the Veg+Bloom. I've talked to a few people whom really like it and Chris from Hydroponic Research. I've heard varying things in regards to have to use a lot more then directions on the container so I'm curious the proper dosage so that I can get an estimate cost basis.
Pretty sure Jacks + CalNt would cost me around $1 per 50 Gallons!
Maxibloom runs me about $2.88 per 50 Gallons...and thats at 7g/gal which is likely more then I should be using in coco.
mdk, don't think I've got that kinda room. Gonna try flipping sooner and not getting things so "dense" this time around. Think I might have been a little too crowded this last round.
I've actually thrown around the same idea with the med man style tables.. I'm thinking I could make something similar ..maybe slightly octagon for easier build.. and just have water rush around the donut like a rushing lazy river and overflow back to the res. Really..just similar to heath's orange coliseum thing, but only 1 tier.
I posted some of my older shit in the T5 thread. Check the post below and the one below it in this link
- https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5521986&postcount=62
- https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5521989&postcount=63
now this is my shit.. clean simple automation.
Pumped water into a tray.. it fills and spills over back to the res..
DH, I've got a few small samples of Veg+bloom here, but havnt messed with them. Need to do a cost analysis... how many grams are you using per Gal in Coco? Find a sweet spot? In hydro I watch the EC move.. in coco I need that "perfect" dosage to follow.. I'm weird like that.
I'll get to it.. but I'm sitting on 30lbs of Maxibloom, several gallons of Micro/Bloom, and have 25lbs of Jacks + CalNit on the way. I do like what I've seen so far with the Veg+Bloom. I've talked to a few people whom really like it and Chris from Hydroponic Research. I've heard varying things in regards to have to use a lot more then directions on the container so I'm curious the proper dosage so that I can get an estimate cost basis.
Pretty sure Jacks + CalNt would cost me around $1 per 50 Gallons!
Maxibloom runs me about $2.88 per 50 Gallons...and thats at 7g/gal which is likely more then I should be using in coco.
i actually dont weigh mine out. i just dump into the res with a turbulent pump on and wait til i hit 1.8 ec. then i add my drip clean and ph. but ph is usually spot on for hydro and a lil bit low for coco. i simply use silica to bring the ph up for the coco. i do keep a separate res for my blumats around 6.0 ish but the ec is always the same. sometimes i water the coco out of my hydro res at lower ph but it doesnt seem to phase them.
its def more expensive than maxi but there seems to be more benefits than maxi has to offer. i did ok on maxi, i just like this better. just as simple, but seemingly better results. im always switching strains up and what not so i cant really compare yield but these have def been some of the frostiest to date.
its def more expensive than maxi but there seems to be more benefits than maxi has to offer. i did ok on maxi, i just like this better. just as simple, but seemingly better results. im always switching strains up and what not so i cant really compare yield but these have def been some of the frostiest to date.
So 1.8EC in coco? That is what I normally always shot for...all mediums and methods, but around here it is preached 1.2-1.4 like gospel.
I'll give it a go somewhere soon. Thanks for the info.
I'll give it a go somewhere soon. Thanks for the info.
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DHF
I had a strict regimen of GH 3 part , Silicablast @ 5 ml per gal for stemwall strength and added potassium , SM-90 @ 5ml per gal for rootzone critter management , and Botanicare`s Cal/Mag + @ 5ml per gal when I went full on coco and never went over 750 ppm`s/1.5 EC @.5 conversion with 1/2 tapwater and 1/2 R/O with dialed results......and hey.......
Heath always preached 1.2 EC/600 ppm`s cuz he ran strictly hydro , but when I dove head first into coco it took 750 ppm`s to make my bitches happy and fruitful.....and trust me.......
I tried 1.2/600 ppm`s and the plants yellowed too early and suffered in the long run , so I upped it and found my sweet spot for max return and consistent results every run.....so.....
Strain dependent , I see not much difference in 750 and 900/1.8EC except for when it`s time to let the bitches cannibalize themselves and eat up excess nitrogen stored in the plants before time to Harvey and chop , but.....
It`s all about what works for you and makes yas and your clients happy......More ppm`s take longer leaching and depletion of stored juice before chop......period.....and....
All about the dialage.....Whatever it takes to find that sweet spot......
Peace....DHF......
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Heath always preached 1.2 EC/600 ppm`s cuz he ran strictly hydro , but when I dove head first into coco it took 750 ppm`s to make my bitches happy and fruitful.....and trust me.......
I tried 1.2/600 ppm`s and the plants yellowed too early and suffered in the long run , so I upped it and found my sweet spot for max return and consistent results every run.....so.....
Strain dependent , I see not much difference in 750 and 900/1.8EC except for when it`s time to let the bitches cannibalize themselves and eat up excess nitrogen stored in the plants before time to Harvey and chop , but.....
It`s all about what works for you and makes yas and your clients happy......More ppm`s take longer leaching and depletion of stored juice before chop......period.....and....
All about the dialage.....Whatever it takes to find that sweet spot......
Peace....DHF......
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mdk ktm
Member
Flower farmer- That is basically exactly what I was thinking. The hardest part is maximizing space because building a NFT/SWC system in a circle is basically out of the question. I think the yields on that system would kill the coco. I will stay around here to watch you get this room dialed. I wish I was in the position to build my circle recirculation hydro atm, but for now I will watch you and learn a thing or 2. thanks for sharing your grows
Here is the reload.
I did a little experiment this time.. front circles I setup as usual yesterday.. drenching the shit out of them, making a mess.. while dialing to cling + 1.5 arrow. Water gets everywhere and its a bit of a hassle. The back two rows got drenched yesterday (not put on blumats), but still pretty saturated today so I decided to just shove the blumat in and dial to a little less past a cling. I'm curious to see if these give me problems as it'd be super nice to dial all my blumats down the day after I drench so that I'm not working in a wet room. I've heard of a few doing this, but never tried it.
You can see the moisture in the cracks of the concrete. It'll dry in a day or so, but still not ideal. The run-off rolls to a drain or evaporates, but I'm at risk of molding wood that makes the perimeter of this foam board room. Its just a 2x3 that allowed me a spot to screw the foam walls to, but ultimately it'll need pulled up/replaced.
Nothing too new. Going to try running my barrels a bit weaker instead of the usual 7g/maxibloom + 5mL silicate. Maybe it'll eliminate some of the problem I've been having running near 1.8 or so. Might also play around with using some Ful-Power fulvics.
Going to try to keep these ladies behind the cages rather then stretching screw it and being pinned back like I did last time. My cages are a bit too small in diameter and it was a bitch to harvest as I had little christmas hooks holding everything back on the cage..impossible to find/detach once everything fills in.
Will implement defoliation a bit if I can find the time...and stop being lazy.
Here's to healthy crops. These been hit with high EC as well and started to look a little bad so I gave a couple good drenches with low EC and blumat barrels current setup around 1.0-1.2.
Here's to healthy ladies.
A gift from a friend I'm vaping on.
I did a little experiment this time.. front circles I setup as usual yesterday.. drenching the shit out of them, making a mess.. while dialing to cling + 1.5 arrow. Water gets everywhere and its a bit of a hassle. The back two rows got drenched yesterday (not put on blumats), but still pretty saturated today so I decided to just shove the blumat in and dial to a little less past a cling. I'm curious to see if these give me problems as it'd be super nice to dial all my blumats down the day after I drench so that I'm not working in a wet room. I've heard of a few doing this, but never tried it.
You can see the moisture in the cracks of the concrete. It'll dry in a day or so, but still not ideal. The run-off rolls to a drain or evaporates, but I'm at risk of molding wood that makes the perimeter of this foam board room. Its just a 2x3 that allowed me a spot to screw the foam walls to, but ultimately it'll need pulled up/replaced.
Nothing too new. Going to try running my barrels a bit weaker instead of the usual 7g/maxibloom + 5mL silicate. Maybe it'll eliminate some of the problem I've been having running near 1.8 or so. Might also play around with using some Ful-Power fulvics.
Going to try to keep these ladies behind the cages rather then stretching screw it and being pinned back like I did last time. My cages are a bit too small in diameter and it was a bitch to harvest as I had little christmas hooks holding everything back on the cage..impossible to find/detach once everything fills in.
Will implement defoliation a bit if I can find the time...and stop being lazy.
Here's to healthy crops. These been hit with high EC as well and started to look a little bad so I gave a couple good drenches with low EC and blumat barrels current setup around 1.0-1.2.
Here's to healthy ladies.
A gift from a friend I'm vaping on.
siiiickkkk, this will be a nice one to see develop.
Ilovecoconuts
New member
Hey FF, your work is very inspirational. How many inches in diameter are your circles? How many plants do you have around a circle? How far apart are the circles from each other? I really appreciate it. Thanks!!!
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DaveTheNewbie
i just caught onto this. the signs/symptoms of too low EC are yellow leaves too early ... this is good to know. im getting a little bit of that now on my last week before chop and its good to have a reason. im running 1.0 EC tho (very low)
i love how i read DHF posts written to someone else and still pull useful nuggets of information out.
Here are some shots a few days after the flip.
Got stuck in quite the rut with these ladies and it took me a few weeks of drenching with low EC maxibloom to get them to recover. I believe I locked them up with too high EC, tossing them from T5s right into lots of HPS. Hand watered everday with 1.0 and then believe I might have been causing deficiencies from being too weak (pale yellowing). I'm still not 100% sure that they've made a full recovery and all leaf issues have halted. Blumats just now getting back to work after lots of flushing/handwatering, but the barrels are loaded at around 1.4-1.6EC.
We'll have to see how it goes. Upon a lot of my flushing I've started using dripclean on everything I get them from here on out. Hopefully that helps things.
Ilovecoconuts, light are off right now, but I'll answer your question as soon as come on.
room shot
little blurry
Some yellow with brown speckles
Got stuck in quite the rut with these ladies and it took me a few weeks of drenching with low EC maxibloom to get them to recover. I believe I locked them up with too high EC, tossing them from T5s right into lots of HPS. Hand watered everday with 1.0 and then believe I might have been causing deficiencies from being too weak (pale yellowing). I'm still not 100% sure that they've made a full recovery and all leaf issues have halted. Blumats just now getting back to work after lots of flushing/handwatering, but the barrels are loaded at around 1.4-1.6EC.
We'll have to see how it goes. Upon a lot of my flushing I've started using dripclean on everything I get them from here on out. Hopefully that helps things.
Ilovecoconuts, light are off right now, but I'll answer your question as soon as come on.
room shot
little blurry
Some yellow with brown speckles
BasementBreeder
Member
Make sure I read that right. You handwatered at 1.0 and filled your blumatt res w/ ~1.5 EC solution?
That's pretty much backwards(unless you were hand watering multiple times per day?) from how you want to do it. The more frequently you apply fertigation, the lower the ppms required.
I usually used 1.5-1.7 when I was handwatering every few days(plus the occasional feeding of RO only...). Now that I'm on blumatts, I use 1.2-1.4 EC. I believe Heath and his RDWC only used 1.0 to 1.2
edit: Forgot to mention, your grow looks great. I'm a big fan of donuts(weed and pastry). Have you considered removing that middle light? I bet it would increase your gpw(although it would decrease your total yield)
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THriveCompany
FF.. what are u using to keep room in check temp wise ? Great info..
Yes.. that is accurate..however not really my initial intentions. Upon throwing my plants into this room from T5 setup I had my blumat barrel filled with the usual 7g/gal of maxibloom... diluted down just a hair for good measure.
I believe I had initial lumen shock when going into the room and everything went downhill (suggested by IF) that caused an accumulation of nutes; and after testing run-off it was around 2.2EC or so. I then continued to handwater 1.0-1.2 until the plants started looking better. They looked a little better and growing again, but rather pale and looked hungry so I let the blumats take over again. I'll keep a close eye on them and maybe dilute each barrel down a bit..
Thrive,
This particular room is just vented using a 14" Max fan on a Can 150. It blows into my cold air return and assists in heating the house. I don't have any gas heat here so blowing into the cold air return causing no problems.. just grow room heat and wood furnace. Intake is just a passive hole to the remainder of the basement.. exactly the size of a standard furnace filter. Temps don't seem to be an issue... maybe a hair cold if I let the wood burner go out, but now that we are on 12/12 I've been having to keep it loaded to maintain decent nighttime temps.
Ilovecoconuts.. didnt forget about your question. I'll get some measurements tonight.
How often do you tend to this garden? With a wood burner I assume you have to be there every day to load it. 
I live here so I see them everyday... blumated though so not necessarily needing tended to aside from shaping/thinning.
Its an outdoor wood burner (boiler) so its like a huge 4x4 box that gets loaded 1 time per day. Maybe 2 times depending on how cold it is or how much wood your chuckin' into it each time. I know others who don't need to fill as often (every few days), but I think my water lines are poorly insulted and not buried deep enough on the run to the house so I believe I'm getting a bit of heat loss. (I can see snow melt where the lines are ran to the house).
Still getting the hang of it really. Previously I'd be gone for 12 hours or so and come back to just barely enough coals to get it going again without having to rebuild the fire. I've since bypassed it running through my hot water tank and I think I can go a good 24-48 hours now.
Look into a small pellet stove with hopper if more automation is needed. My uncle has one in his basement and it just drops a few wood pellets every few minutes to keep his house nice and toasty. He pays for the pellets and I don't think its super cheap, but winter times often has the windows cracked and is very comfortable without having to heave big ass logs into a 2' door outside.. 100' from the house...getting all smokey and what not.. although I have seen outdoor boilers like mine that have an external hopper for pellets.
Its an outdoor wood burner (boiler) so its like a huge 4x4 box that gets loaded 1 time per day. Maybe 2 times depending on how cold it is or how much wood your chuckin' into it each time. I know others who don't need to fill as often (every few days), but I think my water lines are poorly insulted and not buried deep enough on the run to the house so I believe I'm getting a bit of heat loss. (I can see snow melt where the lines are ran to the house).
Still getting the hang of it really. Previously I'd be gone for 12 hours or so and come back to just barely enough coals to get it going again without having to rebuild the fire. I've since bypassed it running through my hot water tank and I think I can go a good 24-48 hours now.
Look into a small pellet stove with hopper if more automation is needed. My uncle has one in his basement and it just drops a few wood pellets every few minutes to keep his house nice and toasty. He pays for the pellets and I don't think its super cheap, but winter times often has the windows cracked and is very comfortable without having to heave big ass logs into a 2' door outside.. 100' from the house...getting all smokey and what not.. although I have seen outdoor boilers like mine that have an external hopper for pellets.
