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Aliens, yay or nay?
- Thread starter Hubbleman
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Hubble is a world-class provoker (sp?), just ask his cherubim friends, they'll tell you all about it.
but in such lightheartness, we can freely discuss aliens yay or nay
my lady and I saw a UFO once, we were having lunch with my dad, after we finished lunch, we went outside to the front-yard to play with my dogs and to smoke a joint, while my dad was inside smoking one of his cuban cigars and listening to Astor Piazolla... as my lady was throwing a tennis ball to the dogs, I was smoking the joint and looking up the sky checking out some vultures flying, I then noticed a silver sphere flying quite low, quite fast and completely silent, I told my lady and she also saw it, we called my dad but by the time he came out it was gone. this was about four years ago, in the Andes, we were about 2500 meters above sea level, the sphere could not have been flying more than 500 meters above us. it was traveling into the direction of the local paramos.
my mom also has two crazy stories about ufos that happened back in 1955, also in the Andes. one of the sightings was from a big terrace/balcony in their house, where she, her sister and my grandmother were preparing tables for a party that night, it was about 4-5pm, and they saw the typical saucer-shaped ufo, it flew over a sports complex that's about one block from their house, it was flying super low and super slow, they say it was sort of tumbling, not flying stable at all. they saw the thing for about 5 minutes straight.
the other story is way crazier... again, at the same house, and again on a party day, after the party, my mom's oldest brother had to drive this couple who were good friends with the family, back then most roads in the city were still dirt roads, except for the main roads which were paved and lit with electricity, most houses also had electricity... anyway, it was about 3am, no one on the main road, they were getting close the couples' house, when suddenly there's an electric black-out, but my uncle's car also stops working, couldn't turn the ignition and seemed as if the battery had died, then the whole sky and the whole city was lit by this strong green-light, everyone in the car got pretty scared. for the next weeks, half the city talked about it, you can still ask people from that generation who saw it and they will tell you about it.
peace!
Quite a bit different to discuss subjective experiences than to label them reality, isn't it?
What claims have I made?
You used to be good at this. What happened, man?
I'm convinced that you and your family saw a UFO -
an UNIDENTIFIED flying object.
To make the jump to "I have no idea what that could be so it's *DEFINITELY* aliens" would be inappropriate.
But wondering what that flying object you saw was, and labeling it "unidentified" is reasonable.
bill cooper
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I think due to the sheer size of the universe it would be ignorant to think we are the only life in the universe but i don't believe aliens have visited the earth and have yet to see any evidence that they have and Anti is one of the few people in this thread talking sense imo
all experiences, by definition, are subjective, and dependent on the perception of the senses.
any claim, such as the ones you made about the point of worshipping deities in an altar as Crowley adviced, or of any us here relating our ufo sightings (whether they are alien or not is another matter as you say), is all the same in terms of these being subjective.
I dunno if I used to be good at this or if you have gotten sloppier and less self-critical.
peace!
What would Sagan say??
Sagan wrote a book called "The Dragons Of Eden" in which he speculated on the evolution of the human brain and consciousness. He found parallels between historical pre-human-flight psychotic experiences, and the experiences described by modern "alien abductees". He thought it was a manifestation of our reptilian inner brain and not related to actual experience.
legalizeDK
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its funny when people say its your imagination or just beacuse you can´t identify it doesn´t make it aliens. or what ever, and i agree it doesn´t make it that. but the posibility is there. when some say you can see what ever you want you just have to want it enough well it goes the other way around to. if people no matter what, wont believe or can´t imagine it, then even if a damn spaceship landed in front of them they would have some kind of explanation that the sun reflectet on ect...
I wish I could conjur up a UFO on demand but I sure can't.
Really the best answer is always I don't know.
This way we keep an open mind and we keep thinking about it.
Time travel presents many paradoxes and just thinking about that can make your eyes glaze over like a good joint of sour bubble.
Carl Sagan wrote the cosmic connection and the book is a disgrace scientifically.
Watch out for bad science because proof is hard to come by when trying to catch a possibly extra dimensional superior intellect by the tail. The time travelling mothas could go into your mind and make you have any sort of memory or experience.
So be ready to be either eaten or enlightened by an alien or an angel anytime soon.
Really the best answer is always I don't know.
This way we keep an open mind and we keep thinking about it.
Time travel presents many paradoxes and just thinking about that can make your eyes glaze over like a good joint of sour bubble.
Carl Sagan wrote the cosmic connection and the book is a disgrace scientifically.
Watch out for bad science because proof is hard to come by when trying to catch a possibly extra dimensional superior intellect by the tail. The time travelling mothas could go into your mind and make you have any sort of memory or experience.
So be ready to be either eaten or enlightened by an alien or an angel anytime soon.
The total amount of stars in the universe will be considerably more than every grain of sand on all the worlds beaches and we orbit just one of those stars each capable of a solar system at some point. We gotta be completely foolish to believe that aliens do not exist nowadays.
The universe is bigger than you think. Youtube "we are very small". It will make you roll one.
The universe is bigger than you think. Youtube "we are very small". It will make you roll one.
I think Anti is one of the few people who voted no
I abstained from voting because of the way it was worded.
If you had a choice along the lines of:
"I think it is statistically likely that life exists somewhere other than earth" I would've checked that box. It is clear from reading the thread that many people answered "yes" with my interpretation in mind.
If the question is "Do I believe aliens are actively roaming the countryside looking for people to dazzle with undocumented sightings?" then my answer is No. If the question is do I *KNOW FOR SURE* the answer is also no.
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Good. We're on the same page thus far.
Ok. So our senses can be deceived but they do seem to work SOME of the time. (I appear to be typing in English. You appear to be responding in English. Your responses indicate that you have processed my statements, so my communication seems to be getting through to someone/something.....)
What would be a reasonable basis for exploring further? Perhaps we could compare our experiences with those of others, perhaps look for similarities between their experience and ours, look for physical clues that we can verify and - most importantly - withhold leaping to a positive conclusion (i.e. I saw a dark shape that was vaguely human shaped. Therefore I saw an alien, or I saw a ghost, or I saw a leprechaun, or I saw Jesus, etc.)
Anyone who claims they "KNOW" aliens are among us is making a claim that can then be evaluated.
If I had said "Alistair Crowley says that all Gods are just in your head" that would be me making a rather pathetic Argument from Authority. And then your arguments (but not your homophobia) would have been more appropriate.
But I didn't say that. I didn't state Crowley as an authority on the matter. I offered an insight and the means with which to test my stated claim.
ANYBODY CAN DO THE EXPERIMENT. You don't have to rely on me or Crowley.
Pick a god. Devote yourself to worshiping this god. Chant, fast, meditate, pray, perform ablutions, burn incense, etc. Look for signs. Do this day in and day out until this god manifests for you.
Then stop. And do it again with a different god.
A simpler way to confirm this is to pick a vehicle and a color. Pretend you are in the market for a blue Mustang convertible with a racing stripe. When you are out driving, think about your new Mustang. Picture all the details you want your mustang to have. Then count how many mustangs you notice that you never noticed before on the road around you. You'll notice new models and old. Red and black. Dirty and waxed. And in a week or so (maybe less) if you keep it up, I can almost guarantee that you'll see your Blue convertible.
I'm not saying you are going to magically conjure a blue mustang into existence.
I'm saying that you will be training your subconscious mind to bring you information related to blue cars... and mustangs... and convertibles. And you'll start to notice them all around you even though you can't remember when the last time you saw one was.
Our senses are constantly being bombarded with BILLIONS of stimuli. Your subconscious edits those stimuli into a SIMULACRUM of the real world, which you then experience as consciousness.
Things that are deemed important (that you believe strongly, or have strong feelings about) will be more likely to make it into the simulacrum and thus into your awareness.
You program your experience of reality (the simulacrum) with every thought you think, every action you take, every belief you hold.
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Does anyone else experience UFOs in the form of stars? I see stars moving a lot. No, not shooting stars. I mean, a star that hovers in place, but when you stare at it, you can see it moving a little, then coming back to where it was before, then maybe do a few twists. Like it's bored from having to stay in one place for very long, so it dances in place, and spins around, and keeps itself entertained or something. One time my wife and I saw one just completely bouncing around and "dangling" itself at us. We were both stone cold sober when this happened.
UFOs are real. Whether they are piloted by aliens from outer space, or the illuminati's secret space program, remains to be seen...
UFOs are real. Whether they are piloted by aliens from outer space, or the illuminati's secret space program, remains to be seen...
anti, there's no reasonable basis to explore further in regards subjective experiences; actually, it's totally self-contradictory.
why would you want to compare subjective experiences anyway? in order to make some kind of objective conclusion? makes no sense.
the same applies to the simulacrum / simulation concept.
which btw, your examples are not true... I may be looking to find chocolate cake as I walk down the market, but believe me that I'll notice more hot women than chocolate cake lol...
also, if you were not trying to invoke some kind of authority from your example of deity worshipping, why would you even have to mention alister? could have just described the experiment without linking it to such infamous figure.
btw, thinking that having gay sex leads to higher levels of "magikal / mystical " realization is what I was mocking in regards alester; not mocking gay people.
why would you want to compare subjective experiences anyway? in order to make some kind of objective conclusion? makes no sense.
the same applies to the simulacrum / simulation concept.
which btw, your examples are not true... I may be looking to find chocolate cake as I walk down the market, but believe me that I'll notice more hot women than chocolate cake lol...
also, if you were not trying to invoke some kind of authority from your example of deity worshipping, why would you even have to mention alister? could have just described the experiment without linking it to such infamous figure.
btw, thinking that having gay sex leads to higher levels of "magikal / mystical " realization is what I was mocking in regards alester; not mocking gay people.
If you are capable of making things manifest in your consciousness by thinking about them, it's not self-contradictory. You just don't want to do this experiment because of what it might say about your own deeply held beliefs.
You already agreed that we can never objectively know anything. All we can do is make inferences by comparing our sense data and experiences with the reported experiences of others.
That which we experience directly deserves more credibility than that which we hear about from others, and we should ask others to provide evidence of their claims before WE assign any truth to their claims.
I didn't say that if you started concentrating on wanting a blue Mustang convertable that you would see NOTHING BUT Mustangs. I said you'd suddenly notice Mustangs all around you that you hadn't noticed before.
If you notice hot women even while thinking about chocolate cake, I would posit that this only suggests that "hot women" are on your mind a lot, triggering your subconscious to make them VERY noticable when you are walking through the store.
In your simulacrum, beautiful women are more likely to make it to consciousness than out of shape old ladies, or handsome men. Because your simulacrum is composed of the reality that YOU accept and expect.
I already addressed this. I quoted the guy because that's where I got the information. It's called sourcing. If it wasn't clear that I wasn't making an appeal to authority, it should've been clear when i *TOLD YOU* twice that I wasn't doing so.
The way you phrased it was clearly homophobic. Don't back pedal now. Look deep within yourself and prepare yourself for truth. It can't hurt you, but it might make you uncomfortable for awhile until you acknowledge it.
i believe the term for the use of critical information in the form of a joke or jovial manner is satire.
In the movie transformers when sam was learning his roommate he saw a video he was watching before the so called disclosure as in the movie actually happened. They the so called geeks knew while obviously others disagreed and the irony is that they found information on the internet were subscribers no longer need to contact authorities risking corruption of evidence and out right extortion and manipulation of information. Simply record amazing phenomena and post it on the internet.
There is a myriad of sightings of UFOs the legitimate ones containing dates, explanations, locations, and even different angles in some cases. Very clear video with people standing in amazement and everything.
Youtube the annunaki are showing up worldwide pulsating lights. it wont take you 5 minutes before you begin to see the light lol. Most of the legit sightings are news worthy and most are not explained. all are recorded and documented
In the movie transformers when sam was learning his roommate he saw a video he was watching before the so called disclosure as in the movie actually happened. They the so called geeks knew while obviously others disagreed and the irony is that they found information on the internet were subscribers no longer need to contact authorities risking corruption of evidence and out right extortion and manipulation of information. Simply record amazing phenomena and post it on the internet.
There is a myriad of sightings of UFOs the legitimate ones containing dates, explanations, locations, and even different angles in some cases. Very clear video with people standing in amazement and everything.
Youtube the annunaki are showing up worldwide pulsating lights. it wont take you 5 minutes before you begin to see the light lol. Most of the legit sightings are news worthy and most are not explained. all are recorded and documented
I did a quick youtube search on the annunaki (and have done similar searches in the past).. I have not turned up anything in any of these videos that I could claim was legitimate or definitive.
Can you please provide a link to the video you believe is the best available evidence?
That way we can all watch it and dissect it together. It would be a big help if I understood EXACTLY what you meant by "legit sightings".
