ecsd...

[silverhazefiend]

Lol homer my fault if u took my comment as a insult ..I was just expressing my views in the sour d as I kno it ...I grew up in the bx ..I KNO sour d .."DOUR" is what we call it ..or "DOWIE" ..I'm pretty sure your cut is fire I said that ..but not all sour is equal ..and we all kno there's diffeent cuts right ?
My observations from smoking sour for yours and flipping it forever Ive seen all types ..one tell take sign is the color of the hairs ..before u posted a pic of that cut in full flower I called the orange hair + pink hair difference ..is it a coincidence u had pink hairs in flower ?

The cut above your pics grows different but there both sour correct ? I honestly think more people are used to the foxtaling sour d like how' yours does but after smoking the real deal clone only u kno ..see and taste the difference ..and not even a major difference ..I just noticed one has a floral backend and one is straight pungent ..nose tickle ..

The best sour d I smoked came from a friend on the west ..it looked nothing like our east coast sour but it blew everything out the water ..so looks kinda don't mean shit :/

Wassup homer light me up on that dour and we can have a long talk about this

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

was no other way to take your insult....it was ment to be insulting in a passive agressive way....But here's to ya......sounds like you know better than everyone else, also sounds like you are trying to call me out on something with out even realising by doing so you are calling out CHACO and everyone else on the east coast that is running the exact same ecsd cut as I am.......as having a imposter "dour" cut as you call it.......hey it's all good though as I said I won't be sharing it with you anyway so it shouldnt really matter to you anyway right........

 

[silverhazefiend]

was no other way to take your insult....it was ment to be insulting in a passive agressive way....But here's to ya......sounds like you know better than everyone else, also sounds like you are trying to call me out on something with out even realising by doing so you are calling out CHACO and everyone else on the east coast that is running the exact same ecsd cut as I am.......as having a imposter "dour" cut as you call it.......hey it's all good though as I said I won't be sharing it with you anyway so it shouldnt really matter to you anyway right........

Lol ....

I never called it cut an imposter why u feel that way ?
Homer this whole THREAD is about sour d ..there's so many diffrent cuts ..am I wrong for noticing a difference in the plants ? Me being honest is passive aggressive ? This is the exact same thing we would discuss over a spliff ..would it be a problem then ?

There is no "imposter" sour d to me ..sour d is all about the teste and smell ur plant can look like dirt to me but if it has the taste and smell it's sour ..period ..and I told u looks really have nothing to do with it ..I said prior the best sour d I ever smoked didnt even look like sour ..

Calling you out ?? I never said it wasn't sour all I said was that sour ..I said the taste and potency is not as good as the other cut ..unless ur telling me that plant above urs is the exact same ? If it isn't that goes to show u there can be different flavors

Anyway Chaco is the man in my book ..I grew some if the SOUR D x Nevs he made and I made some crosses with it ..I have one in a cup under a 600 and it REEKS and it looks like it's gonna foxtail ..so I'm working with crosses from that EXACT Same cut and I will be running those from now till the summer FYI

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

What other cut ? Did you not say smoke me up on some of that Dour ? Is this thread called sour d or ecsd ?Did you know that I know CHACO personally ? did you know that CHACO and I smoked a bowl of ecsd on the beach the day he handed me the cut ?saying a cut is inferior in potencey and taste is not insulting ? did you know that depending on temps, medium, lumens etc etc....that the ecsd cut can change her apperance ?sorry for all the questions but I'm trying to decide weather or not you actually intended to be insulting and while you say you're not all the evidence points in the other direction...

 

[silverhazefiend]

1.the cut labeled Ecsd above yours
2.yes as a friendly gesture ..after u "took" back your offer to smoke me out ..you should have offered to smoke me out like a real head instead of taking it as a insult
3. this thread is called ecsd aka east.coast.SOUR D..so it's one in the same
4.does it matter ? How is he even in this convo ? Yes he gave u the cut but what does that have to do with me not liking the taste and potency from the ones I'VE SMOKED IE:not yours
4.no ..I'm sorry I did not attend the beach that day ..I was busy livin my life
5.yes it's the basic principles of growing ..maybe when that clone is grown inferior and pulled early it shows pink hairs and a lighter taste and potency drops ..

There's like a million tahoe og cuts out there are some better than the clone ? Sure ..if I like it better than the clone only am I wrong ?

And I HAVE NOT smoked ur sour d ! I was making my comments based on my experiences ..maybe your sour d is top knotch with the flavor I like who knos ..but I feel like ur catching a hissy fit over nothing ..this is MY prefernece ..if u can't take my opinion how would u deal with constructive criticism ?

If u have the attitude of my sour d is the clone only best in the world etc attitude how would u even notice the difference ? Everything would be sub par mentally b4 u even smoke it ..

I'm going back and fourth with no pics or any "real" info to add to this thread so I'm gonna "fallback" bc I'm basically spamming at this point ..homer I'm almost 1000% sure that my opinion is not stopping you or that sour d from doing ya thing so ....just continue to do ya thing ....

Ps I'm sure one day I'll get a sour cut so hopefully I'll be back in this thread with more to bring to the "table" of discussion

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

Just pointing out the obvious flaws in your whole theroy here and let me remind you of the 1st post you made saying the same crap, you actually called out my name saying the cut with the pink hairs like homers is not as good........why on earth would you even say some god damn nonsense like that ? how is that helping anyone ? I ignored you the 1st time but since you keep crying the same nonsense I figured I'd give you the attention you seek...........and FYI the cut the bahpomet grows (the one above mine as you know it)is the exact same cut from the same exact person if I'm not mistaken.....so again maybe you just don't read anything from anyone before you talk..or perhaps you intentionaly intended to insult me.....guess it's pretty obvious which one I decided it was....anyway you are right you or your opnion won't make a difference to me in the big sceme of things so I will be done with you now.

 

[Big City]

What other cut ? Did you not say smoke me up on some of that Dour ? Is this thread called sour d or ecsd ?Did you know that I know CHACO personally ? did you know that CHACO and I smoked a bowl of ecsd on the beach the day he handed me the cut ?saying a cut is inferior in potencey and taste is not insulting ? did you know that depending on temps, medium, lumens etc etc....that the ecsd cut can change her apperance ?sorry for all the questions but I'm trying to decide weather or not you actually intended to be insulting and while you say you're not all the evidence points in the other direction...

Just be glad that someone gave you a great cut and don't worry about anything else. If it comes to pass that what you have is not the original, would the smoke be any less good? At this point, it seems more of an ego thing. Being cool means having the "real deal", having something "real great" isn't good enough.

 

[Arminius]

ecsd...

Am I missing something here?
A cut is a genetic replica of the mother correct? If so there should only be one ECSD pheno. Yes, climate, lumens etc... All have an impact, but the true cut should behave the same way, in the same conditions.
What doesn't sit well with me from a scientific standpoint is people saying there is more than one pheno of the ECSD.
I was gifted what I was told is the "original sour diesel" from the Santa Cruz mountains. There is a lot of legit cuts in my neck of the woods, but I am uncomfortable calling my cut the ECSD unless I can get confirmation from someone who has smoked it. 5 more weeks and I should know for sure. I may have a good IBL, and the smell and effect is a cut above, but if its not the real deal, then the hunt goes on. If what I have is only an imposter, you better believe I want the real deal...

 

[FuhQ]

Back in the day Rezdog released a strain sold as "ECSD V3" not too hard to fathom that many people might have dropped the "V3" and this is how many "ECSD" cuts came about.

He worked Sour Diesel for so long with the different versions and later the IBL's for so many years there could be hundreds of different cuts floating around with the same name.

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

Just be glad that someone gave you a great cut and don't worry about anything else. If it comes to pass that what you have is not the original, would the smoke be any less good? At this point, it seems more of an ego thing. Being cool means having the "real deal", having something "real great" isn't good enough.

well thats quite a lengthy edit job from the orginal post....but regaurdless as I've posted before countless times is that I don't know or care 100% what the cut I have is......It was given to me by a great guy,grower,and someone I'm proud to call my friend.He told me it's the ecsd cut......thats enough for me and I checked my ego at the door years ago......The cut I have looks like ecsd,smells like ecsd,tastes like ecsd and throws late nanners like ecsd......it's also non viable pollen like I've heard is a trait of ecsd......I tried my self to reverse her and researched many many hours on silver treatments in relation to reversing sex...and it don't work on this cut......so until I can see actual tangable proof that it can.....I'm going to assume I'm right..........enough of this tired arguement though.....lets agree to disagree.

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

Allot of people who think they have the sour d actually have the daywrecker and think its the sour .....Loads of daywrecker cuts were sold as sour d to peeps from out side the city years ago .....

I ran the real deal AJ cut from the man himself for many years and when it hermied at times I never found a seed in any of the plants and we ran high numbers back then ...

Also having run both cuts I don't see any difference from the two they both came from the same mom foe sure .... ..

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Baph, what the hell is daywrecker ? I've been told that AJ cut was called daywrecker...but now your saying that AJ is the ECSD.... so are there 2 ecsd cut's ? and 1 daywrecker cut....and which one is the AJ cut ? and I kinda agree with Airimus how could there be 2 different pheno's of a clone from the same mother?...Any way I've been seeing your name around for a few years and you seem to have a clue about what your saying and now I'm confused and appears I'm losing yet another night lost in the enigma that is sour diesel....so if you could answer those ?'s it would be of great apriceation

 

[Arminius]

ecsd...

I am not a botanist by any stretch of the word, but science follows laws...
Curiously enough, someone suggested I might have the "day wrecker" cut, which has been referred to as the "original sour D", but that still brings me back to the original dilemma, what cut is what?
When a cross is made, as in the case of ECSD, it should be unique, and almost impossible to replicate, even with the same genetics...
I have a lab in my town that is just starting genetic cataloging, so maybe a visit to their labs is in order.

 

[The Baphomet]

Day wrecker is the original diesel aka headband , not the same as the sour d and has no sour in it .. The Aj is sour d aka ECSD same cuts from same mother plant ,same pheno,they are the same no difference in pistil color or bud structure ... The fox-tailing is usually caused by boosters and high temps ..

Arminius , do you have any pics of your " original sour d " ? Peeps might be able to ID her for ya

 

[cocktail frank]

somebody has their period in here, sheesh.

you need to calm down hombre, try therapy

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

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[Homer J Pimpin]

Right maybe I should just let people dissrespect me and shit talk me without defending myself then I can be a mentor too lol............

opps this isn't the nfl thread

 

[silverhazefiend]

Day wrecker is the original diesel aka headband , not the same as the sour d and has no sour in it .. The Aj is sour d aka ECSD same cuts from same mother plant ,same pheno,they are the same no difference in pistil color or bud structure ... The fox-tailing is usually caused by boosters and high temps ..

Arminius , do you have any pics of your " original sour d " ? Peeps might be able to ID her for ya

Right on ...I've had some "booster" cuts ive smoked and some ones takin early ..I guess that's why the pistils didnt seem bright orange and more pinkish ..than orange ..I thought it was really diffrent ones but that goes to show u not all GROWERS are equal + environment etc ..but all sour to me is fire ..but when dialed in its shits on everything in every category ..

My fault for causing that mini "stir" in the building lol ..but I've been educated and appreciate it

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

Day wrecker is the original diesel aka headband , not the same as the sour d and has no sour in it .. The Aj is sour d aka ECSD same cuts from same mother plant ,same pheno,they are the same no difference in pistil color or bud structure ... The fox-tailing is usually caused by boosters and high temps ..

Arminius , do you have any pics of your " original sour d " ? Peeps might be able to ID her for ya

preciate this......I don't use any boosters at all and temps are pretty decent as well but i still get foxtails maybe it's lumens cause I'm only running 600 watt bulbs...anyway glad the tread is back on track now lets keep it that way

 

[deltagrower99]

I think swerve call's his sour d seed line original sour diesel.

 

[SourDeezal]

hey homer feel ya about silverhazefiend, coz he came in before & said exactly the same to my pics posted earlier in the thread... i didn't answer to his orange/pink theory but let me tell one thing fi sure, i run chaco cut straight from his hand too, but pics were from the smallest cutting running with same feeding as the big one in 2gal coco, so this cut was close to overfeeding for her size & not perfect but liked her look like sour d foxtailing crazy shape... big plant were less more foxtail, and lil bit more different in structure of bud so orange/pink theory can come directly from nutes & grow conditions...

and i want to add, my favorite in taste still the original diesel dna/jah hoover cut without long cure in jar... even riri cut sour diesel ibl while fresh is more smelling all around the jar... but next run i will dial ecsd better and see what's up with my princess....

Nuff love & respect to CHACO & real sour d friends who love their brothers too.... PEACE