ERR... UNFLUSHED CANNABIS ...CONTAINING CHEMICAL COMPOUNDS FROM THE FERTILIZER.SAFE?!

[The-Sorcerer]

OK so here is the thing... I've been wondering ... WTF WOULD HAPPEN TO YOU AND YOUR BODY ETC..., IF... YOU SMOKE CANNABIS THAT IS NOT PROPERLY FLUSHED FROM THE BAD COMPONENTS CAUSED BY FEEDING THE PLANT.. LETS SAY... CHEMICAL FERTILIZER...

WHAT ARE THE RISKS???? IF ANYONE KNOWS A THING OR TWO ABOUT THIS SUBJECT I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT, THANKS !!!

LOOKING FORWARD FOR THE REPLIES!! ~(SHITS INTERESTING XD)

 

[miniman]

i think one can only flush the chlorophyll out of a plant, and also mainly out of the leaves, minimal out the buds(they hardly lime up?). i do not think flushing all the npk out of a plant is even possible without rotting it. on the other hand i also flush them myself, but only because of the taste. smoking itsself is bad i wouldnt worry about the chemicals from your fertilizer...

 

[supermanlives]

if you have smoked commercial weed the fertilizer used is the least of your problems.weed pumped full of nutes is usually harsh.

 

[Skinny Leaf]

Its not as bad as smoking weed sprayed with paraquat.

 

[mr.brunch]

surely if it was sprayed with paraquat it would die?
they seem to like spraying with grit/sand/ glass too

 

[supermanlives]

when they used to spray crops ,alot of times it was harvested immediately .

 

[Gillium]

OK so here is the thing... I've been wondering ... WTF WOULD HAPPEN TO YOU AND YOUR BODY ETC..., IF... YOU SMOKE CANNABIS THAT IS NOT PROPERLY FLUSHED FROM THE BAD COMPONENTS CAUSED BY FEEDING THE PLANT.. LETS SAY... CHEMICAL FERTILIZER...

WHAT ARE THE RISKS???? IF ANYONE KNOWS A THING OR TWO ABOUT THIS SUBJECT I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT, THANKS !!!

LOOKING FORWARD FOR THE REPLIES!! ~(SHITS INTERESTING XD)

I wouldn't worry about it health-wise. As mentioned by the above posters, the taste is the only aspect of the bud that may be negatively affected.

 

[smilley]

I'd be far more concerned about residual pesticides...............

 

[Skinny Leaf]

Look at fruits and vegetables they all have fertilizer requirements for growth. We eat these foods. Of course we don't smoke our food either. But we do cook it sometimes at high temperatures to affect chemical compostion of the food from when it was raw harvested. I like raw spinach but as soon as it is cooked the taste offends me. Something chemically changed in the spinach during the heating process.

Now this is only my conjecture on the flushing process. Which I would always recommend. When you flush I feel the micronutrients is what is getting flushed from the plant more than anything. The micronutrients are going to be a lot less in proportion than macronutrients. With that being said, if you look at all the nutrients on a melting point, flash point or boiling point chart you will find that the micronutrients contain heavy metals with extremely high flash points. How hot does iron have to get to change states? A bic lighter won't do that. Even when you light the charcoal over and over it still remains black. So when I see weed that doesn't burn then this is what I feel like the problem is. Even when the weed burns to a white ash there is still residual elements left unchanged. Otherwise there would be nothing left of the weed.

I don't know what chemical reactions may be left from many elements burning at one time. Some hit flash point some don't. I'm sure if an analysis was run on the smoke given off from flushed and non-flushed plants the chemical composition of the smoke would be different from both. Time for chemistry 101.

As far as the paraquat, it was a weed killer that was being sprayed on Mexican fields of ganja to kill it back in the 70's. Like Superman said unscrupulous farmers would harvest it anyway and send it north to the good old US of A. I only remember it being found in import weed in California. I believe there were some people that died from it. Very scary time for pot smokers.

 

[mr.brunch]

nasty shit!

 

[RetroGrow]

If you're worried about stuff in your weed, water cure it for the cleanest herb. Might lose some taste and flavor, but if you have herb that is harsh, a water cure will get all the crap out of it in a week. Then it will smoke very clean and smooth,albeit not as tasty as properly flushed and cured herb.

 

[The-Sorcerer]

Thanks for the replies everyone!!!
(Y)!!

Ehh... .. Yeah... ... > I'm concerned mostly about how harmful the unflushed smoke is to oneself...

..And my post is about indoor homegrowing in soil... , btw I use a fertilizer like npk 20 20 20 plus i add magnesium and phosphorus occasionally..
Just to give out a bit more hints of wtf im on about .. , .. n shit ;p

 

[guy fawkes]

surely if it was sprayed with paraquat it would die?
they seem to like spraying with grit/sand/ glass too

its usally silica dust mate, keeps smell down . looks like frost and draws the moisture out so it can be stored for as long as needed

 

[sallyforthDeleted member 75382]

Some good advice's.

If I was worried about cannabis that was not flushed, I would go for a water cure as has been mentioned above.

 

[sprinkl]

Look at fruits and vegetables they all have fertilizer requirements for growth. We eat these foods. Of course we don't smoke our food either. But we do cook it sometimes at high temperatures to affect chemical compostion of the food from when it was raw harvested. I like raw spinach but as soon as it is cooked the taste offends me. Something chemically changed in the spinach during the heating process.

Exactly, we don't smoke them! Also wouldn't most of the excess nutrients be stored in the leaves of the plants? I dunno.

Now this is only my conjecture on the flushing process. Which I would always recommend. When you flush I feel the micronutrients is what is getting flushed from the plant more than anything. The micronutrients are going to be a lot less in proportion than macronutrients. With that being said, if you look at all the nutrients on a melting point, flash point or boiling point chart you will find that the micronutrients contain heavy metals with extremely high flash points. How hot does iron have to get to change states? A bic lighter won't do that. Even when you light the charcoal over and over it still remains black. So when I see weed that doesn't burn then this is what I feel like the problem is. Even when the weed burns to a white ash there is still residual elements left unchanged. Otherwise there would be nothing left of the weed.

I don't know what chemical reactions may be left from many elements burning at one time. Some hit flash point some don't. I'm sure if an analysis was run on the smoke given off from flushed and non-flushed plants the chemical composition of the smoke would be different from both. Time for chemistry 101.

I always assumed N and P have the biggest influence on taste. When they get oxidized you get their oxides which in contact with water form nitrous acid/phosphoric acid.
They make the smoke harsh and the taste gets worse the further down the joint.
I also think excess N and P make it impossible for bud to cure decently.
In my book excess nutes = ruined weed. I would never take down a plant before it starts to yellow somewhat... Worst weed I've grown myself were plants that were attacked by PM and had to be chopped early when they were still dark green. Just awful...

 

[trichster]

If your herb doesnt burn to a white ash its not properly done! Flushing the way most people think doesnt work right. You need to stop ferts on 6th week and give plain water for at least 4-6 waters or until ppm is as low as you can get it. Dont need to give crazy amounts of water on last week and expect it to properly get rid of all fert salts. Your leaves should start to fade into almost fall colors if done properly. I dont know if its unhealthy to smoke "unflushed" herb but I know it sucks to end up with big chunk of black crap in pipe that wont ash up!

 

[Homebrewer]

I'm personally less concerned about whether something was 'flushed' or not and more concerned about whether the plant was fed correctly during its life.

 

[Storm Shadow]

Bro Science 101 all over this thread.... its all good ...dont trip .. any data to back up all these claims...just curious? Remember all the Bro Science towards TMV aka Broad Mites..

Just saying...food for thought.... I'd love links to real life peer reviewed Data on this white ash theory... until then....

 

[guy fawkes]

i dont need a study done on bud to prove it when from personal exp and a good grasp of chemistry and biology show how unflushed herb is harsh and toxic, the black char left behind is burnt nitrozymes (cancerous) . a few quick google searches will provide all the info you need
well flushed is smooth tastey smoke and leaves no black cancerous char.

risk cancer or dont.. your choice

plus plant swell like fuck when you flush so why not?

 

[Homebrewer]

i dont need a study done on bud to prove it when from personal exp and a good grasp of chemistry and biology show how unflushed herb is harsh and toxic, the black char left behind is burnt nitrozymes (cancerous) . a few quick google searches will provide all the info you need
well flushed is smooth tastey smoke and leaves no black cancerous char.

Here is an article that talks about the mineral composition of the soil and how it relates to the color of the ash.

Soil is rich with chemical compounds and a variety of mineral deposits, which are carried into plants by moisture. The soil in different regions is distinguished by its own characteristics: different minerals predominate in different places. Hence the same plant will have essentially different chemical and mineral contents in different areas. For instance, cigars rolled from tobacco grown in the central regions of Cuba (Remedios) produce almost white ash; cigars made of tobacco from the Vuelta Abajo produce gray ash with white veins. Take into consideration that the two areas are adjacent to each other. The difference takes place because the soil in the Vuelta Abajo is full of various minerals in roughly equal amounts, while the soil in the Remedios Region is characterized by potassium predomination.


The connection between the chemical contents of the soil and the quality of the cigar made of tobacco grown in it has been scientifically proved. Moreover, in early 2001 one of the scientists from a Canadian consumer organization proposed to make tests on the chemical components in order to protect genuine Cuban cigars from fakes. His idea was that cigars labeled as Cuban, but whose chemical contents proved to be different from the chemical contents of the appropriate region of Cuba, should be removed from the shops right away.


Thus the predominance of gray and white in the cigar ash testifies that it is of good quality. Pure white ash may be considered as a mark of quality, proving that the cigar is from certain places like Cuba or the Dominican Republic, where there are plantations that are particularly full of potassium. Black ash is a bad sign. Leaves that after burning produce black ash are poor in minerals and produce a very unpleasant taste and smell.

http://www.cuban-cigars-store.com/ash.html

plus plant swell like fuck when you flush so why not?

Plain water will not make your plant 'swell like fuck' unless you've buildup so much salt in your medium that your plant no longer needs additional food. That salt buildup is a sign of overfeeding and poor medium management.