a wicked pulse

[delta9nxs]

http://wormsway.com/detail.aspx?t=prod&sku=SDRT600

this is the replacement for the drt-1.

http://www.littlegreenhouse.com/accessory/controls2.shtml

there is a nice little digital timer second from the bottom. 15 amps and cheap.

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

Shitty timer talk.

How about some pics?

 

[high life 45]

I must admit that I was fearful of D9 getting jumanji'd in his room.

I imagined he was in there tinkering with his pulse and his light meter untill he found the ultimate sweet spot and his plants growth was so explosive and rapid, he couldnt find the door. I was about to fly over with a weed wacker and a chainsaw to save him.

Oh yeah d9 check out PureKnowledge thread. He just powered thru a harvest with some bonsai heros.

 

[delta9nxs]

I must admit that I was fearful of D9 getting jumanji'd in his room.

I imagined he was in there tinkering with his pulse and his light meter untill he found the ultimate sweet spot and his plants growth was so explosive and rapid, he couldnt find the door. I was about to fly over with a weed wacker and a chainsaw to save him.

Oh yeah d9 check out PureKnowledge thread. He just powered thru a harvest with some bonsai heros.

you don't know how close to the truth you are!

mrs d9 and i have spent about 12 hours so far and have another 4-6 hours to go defoliating and thinning.

the room is full of plants.

i wanted to wait until stretch was completely over and i misjudged the growth rate with co2.

i also used too many plants. i could have completely filled the screen in the same time frame with 12 or even 10 plants. i have 3 missing positions and four runts and the screen is still overcrowded.

the result is that the larger plants simply squeezed the smaller plants and retarded their growth.

the long delay during construction and the plant stalling techniques i used created bushy plants. requiring even more work to control.

so the bad news is we are working our asses off doing extra shit that we should not have had to do at all.

the good news is that there is a shitpile of bud.

the lighting array seems to be making a lot of tight bud. close stacking and dense.

a few more days and i'll put up some pics.

sunday i cloned the tops off 20 of my clones that were now 30" high in the house under the flo's.

this is the correct timing for the next round. i should have 12 untouched, naturally shaped clones to work with that i can transplant at the best time.

i probably won't use the screen next time. i found the screen to be an obstacle working on the plants.

i may use the caddies, maybe not, depending on my next electric bill. if my bill is within the limits i have set i'll add one light bringing me to 7k total.

this will let me run 12 with a heath style lighting pattern all around them. i have never grown full size plants naturally shaped. i have grown a lot of big plants that yielded over a lb but they were always one sided.

anyway the system works flawlessly. i have had no equipment failures or leaks.

the daily high temp is usually 86-87 and the low 76-77. i am able to keep the rh under 60% usually closer to 55%.

at my old place i ran a veg system and a flower system. in the veg system the tds of new solution would drop steadily to a point and then hover there. in flower it went up from 600 ppm input to about 1150 ppm operating strength and would then hover there.

here i both vegged and flowered in the same system. during veg the solution strength was steadily pulled down. as the transition to flower was made, somewhere during the second week of stretch, the solution changed character and climbed upward to about 1250-1300, where it would hover. ph also climbed from 5.8-5.9 to 6.4-6.5.

so the plants definitely shift gears and change their own elemental uptake profile at this time. in ro water the ph would only go up to about 6.1 but my tap water has just enough crap in it to buffer so i have begun using ph down for the first time in years.

50 ml in 42 gallons brings it down to 5.3-5.4 initially and it will run in the res at about 5.9-6.0. no spotting or discoloration on the plants.

the reservoirs and the center of the plant containers have never been below 77f and are usually around 81-82f. big strong plants with no root issues. i think the root zone temps stimulate growth as opposed to the normal hydro doctrine of 65-70f.

well, i'm going to smoke a big bowl of purple kush and get some more sleep.

later

 

[ashesashes]

i probably won't use the screen next time. i found the screen to be an obstacle working on the plants.

i may use the caddies, maybe not, depending on my next electric bill. if my bill is within the limits i have set i'll add one light bringing me to 7k total.

this will let me run 12 with a heath style lighting pattern all around them. i have never grown full size plants naturally shaped. i have grown a lot of big plants that yielded over a lb but they were always one sided.

Oh, now I get it.

Should have read this first.

 

[zeke99]

D9, with temps up into the mid-80s, why are keeping the humidity down below 60?

I thought you were using VPD techniques?

 

[high life 45]

D9 for your sake and for the sake of the community you need a safety rope any time you go in your room. You on one end and mrsd9 on the other, That way if a few minutes go by and you dont respond to her tugs, she can come in there with a pair of hedge trimmers and get you out before its too late. Think about old school diving.

D9, with temps up into the mid-80s, why are keeping the humidity down below 60?

I thought you were using VPD techniques?

I think to be on the safe side of VPD you would want to go off of the lower end of your temps.

He mentioned in my thread that he gets mold with rh over 60% flower

Any time I ran high humidity I have also had a shitload of fans. Id say 1- 1.5 fans per light. My fans blew directly on the plants and would cause windburn if the humidity wasn't so high.

check out Janus Treatise on Growing if you havent already.

 

[high life 45]

Happy 6 year anniversary d9!

 

[delta9nxs]

D9, with temps up into the mid-80s, why are keeping the humidity down below 60?

I thought you were using VPD techniques?

because there is a much higher water use efficiency when using co2. if you read dr el sohly's paper that i linked to in the beginning of this thread,

"In view of our results, it is concluded that C. sativa
can utilize a fairly high level of PPFD and temperature
for its gas and water exchange processes, and can
perform much better if grown at ~ 1500 μmol m-2 s-1
PPFD and around 25 to 30 o C temperature conditions.
Furthermore, higher PN, WUE and nearly constant Ci/Ca
ratio under elevated CO 2 concentration, reflects its
potential for improved growth and productivity in drier
and CO 2 rich environment."

he recommends rh 55%+-5%

also to consider, my temps don't go immediately to 86f at lights on. if the room is at 76f it takes up to six or more hours to reach 86f. this really is a peak temp for me.

typically, the rh will be right around 60% at lights on and will go down to 55-57% during the period.

 

[delta9nxs]

Happy 6 year anniversary d9!

hey, i see you found my old diving suit! it looks a little narrow in the waist for me now.

wow, 6 years! a lot has happened in those 6 years.

thank you!

 

[TURBD]

I hate to ask as I know all the info is here. I have read this thread a few times aswell as the other ppk threads. Is there a consolidated updated version of the ppk how to build thread somewhere?
If I have a veg room do I just veg in the ppk and then unhook it and hook it up the the flower res in the flow room? Or would constantly moving and re hooking up cause potential leaks?
Could this work in a stadium setup or is in more suited to trees on the floor?
I am trying to fill a 10x10 with 25 plants with about a 3week/1 month veg.
4k per room although I plan on adding another 4k and have em flip around a bit. Only 4k on at a time though.
It's gonna be 23x10 with 8k for the first run untill I have more $ to split it up into 2 10x10's with a 3x10 res room/light barrier in between.
Rooms still under construction so nows the time to get a system sorted out.

Love the vert and that's what I am going with and with my room a hr away with a partner that loves to overwater I feel the ppk would be a good option.

Thanks for any help.
Your grows are sick.

 

[zeke99]

Hi Turbd, I've been moving plants from a veg room to a bloom room (with other plants in it already in progress, connected to the same res. and pump bucket). It will cause some water loss, depending on how quickly you can re-cap a tire valve while at the same time, holding (or having suspended it somewhere - under a bucket lid) the line that you just disconnected, but it's certainly doable. This is the main reason why I don't grow with Turface, it's heavy as shit!

In addition to the PPK Index - you will find the following links helpful. These are from my text file - so in no particular order:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5230341&postcount=67 flattend plane young plant
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5237673&postcount=86
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5237723&postcount=87
i just bend laterals slowly at the stem. they seem to take a set after a few corrections. fast movement snaps them. i use both hands holding the main stem in one and the branch in the other and slowly bend the branch itself as close to the node as possible. you can feel it give.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5209291&postcount=30 - sub irrigation plumbing - use ties to corral tubing
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5208502&postcount=55 control/pump bin
also, this reminds me to correct an error. i said the little hole in the bottom of the float control box should be 5/32". this is wrong. it should be 3/32" instead.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5208724&postcount=58 control bin
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5211582&postcount=41 pump capacity - pulse math for control bucket size
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5217013&postcount=47 latex tubing and line sizes photos of control/pump bin
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5232917&postcount=80 completed module
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5249453&postcount=103 back screen
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5287989&postcount=366 vertical canopy measurements
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5219709&postcount=53 pump manifold how-to
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5217013&postcount=108 - photo of manifold
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5219747&postcount=54 pulse terminal
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=4699312&postcount=2604 bucket cover overflow holes 3/16"

this is a tip for everyone.

Within this thread or the PPK (or any thread for that matter), left mouse click on delta9's name - on the left side of the screen next to one of his posts. Select the option to sort "Filter Posts by Delta9".

p.s. In the PPK Olympics I would kick all of your asses in the Tire Valve Re-Cap event, even the master himself.

 

[zeke99]

http://wormsway.com/detail.aspx?t=prod&sku=SDRT600

this is the replacement for the drt-1.

Folks, I called WormsWay, this isn't the replacement for the drt-1, IT IS the drt-1.

I don't think it's been discontinued...

Here it is on Sentinel's website: http://grow-gps.com/products/digital-recycling-timers/

My theory on why most retailers don't have them in stock is very few people buy them. That sounds simplistic, but bear with me, if this was 2006 and easy credit was everywhere, every grow show up in the country might have five units in the back. Those bad old days are long gone. Every type of small and mid-size retail shop in the country is dealing with this. The Home De Pot's, Lowes and Wally's of the world do not have this problem.

 

[delta9nxs]

I hate to ask as I know all the info is here. I have read this thread a few times aswell as the other ppk threads. Is there a consolidated updated version of the ppk how to build thread somewhere?
If I have a veg room do I just veg in the ppk and then unhook it and hook it up the the flower res in the flow room? Or would constantly moving and re hooking up cause potential leaks?
Could this work in a stadium setup or is in more suited to trees on the floor?
I am trying to fill a 10x10 with 25 plants with about a 3week/1 month veg.
4k per room although I plan on adding another 4k and have em flip around a bit. Only 4k on at a time though.
It's gonna be 23x10 with 8k for the first run untill I have more $ to split it up into 2 10x10's with a 3x10 res room/light barrier in between.
Rooms still under construction so nows the time to get a system sorted out.

Love the vert and that's what I am going with and with my room a hr away with a partner that loves to overwater I feel the ppk would be a good option.

Thanks for any help.
Your grows are sick.

hello, turbd! and welcome to ppk land! sorry but this is about as condensed as it gets here.

when i ran perpetual with a separate veg system i would just move the top container with the plant in it from one bottom container in veg to another in the flower area. i don't see any need to carry the whole module around.

but if you do the tire valve tech it does not leak. you will be surprised at how much force it takes to pull one off once it's dried on. there's nothing delicate about it.

i think it would help if you put up a diagram or something to show how you are going to get 25 plants and 4 vertical lights into a 10x10 space. i can't think of a layout with that combination that would work.

as far as style goes, the ppk can be any size or shape container as long as the basic principles are adhered to.

it all depends on what size plants you intend to grow.

you cannot over or under water in a ppk as long as the water is delivered between intervals of sufficient length so as to allow complete draining of the medium.

welcome to the club and please clarify about what you want to do.

later, d9

 

[delta9nxs]

zeke, you mean the ppk "special" olympics! and i warn you! i'm a tire valve poppin mofo from hell!

great info on the drt-1. i wonder why they changed the number on it or maybe worm'swaste gave it a number of their own.

i thought it was weird that they would drop a piece like that with no replacement.

i really dig mine. precise and easy to use. with the analog devices you have to guess, then measure and re-adjust, and then measure and re-adjust some more.

 

[zeke99]

zeke, you mean the ppk "special" olympics! and i warn you! i'm a tire valve poppin mofo from hell!

great info on the drt-1. i wonder why they changed the number on it or maybe worm'swaste gave it a number of their own.

i thought it was weird that they would drop a piece like that with no replacement.

i really dig mine. precise and easy to use. with the analog devices you have to guess, then measure and re-adjust, and then measure and re-adjust some more.

I was referring to my re-cap - while kneeling/balancing & holding an open water line - skills! We can stage re-cap races using the drt-1 timers

That reminds me to ask if you have dislodged a tire valve from a bucket or bin before? Is it a lost cause? I have the tire valve tool.

It is Wormsway using a funky product code for sure.

 

[ashesashes]

I just read that quote on Co2.

I feel dumber for it.

Not that the the information wasn't smart.

But that I didn't understand it.

At all.

And now I feel dumber.

Huh?

 

[zeke99]

because there is a much higher water use efficiency when using co2. if you read dr el sohly's paper that i linked to in the beginning of this thread,.

I forgot about the paper, thanks for reminding me.

 

[TURBD]

Thank you Zeke and d9.
I have a space that's 8x8 aprox for veg and electrical.
I am building a addition on the 8x8 that extends that another 23x10.
I have 100amp service.
78 plant licence.
I plan on haveing 3 moms 25veg 25bud1 25bud2.
I am always on my cell and I am fairly new here so I have a hard time posting pics. Hell I have been with my car club for 12 years and I still don't know how to post pics there either. I can if I really try but I never do.
Not to say I haven't been taking lots of pics of my build.
I have had to move aprox 40,000lbs of dirt with a spade shovel just to start the footings and pour the slab. It's been a busy few weeks. It should be nice when its done. I am useing mold resistant drywall and sound proof insulation. It's a full on deal.
My plan to start was to run a stadium at first as I'm running out of start up cash quick.
Door from 8x8 leads into middle of the 10x23 on a 10" end. Run 1 row of plants on the floor the next row on a 1"shelf that makes a horse shoe so it will be 50 plants the first run in the "big" room with 8/10 lights in the middle in 4 or 5 sets of 2's trying to create a "wall of weed" but a horse shoe.
This is a tempary thing till I have more $ to put up a wall and make 2 10x10's
I figure its gonna cost more as I would need 2 of everything like dehu, co2 and AC.
I am just venting the room to start as like I said. No more $$$ for a couple 3k AC units.
I just finished pulling the trans on the car I love to sell tonight to get more $$$ to fund this.
Parting out the whole thing and I still won't get much so this has to work.
I am willing to give up the car as I love growing. I really do.
I have 1 400w mh 3 600w hps 15 1000w hps ballasts available.
I have two 4 light timer boards.
Misc timers for veg side.
10' passive intake from under the house. I have a fan to hook up here if needed.
2x 8' can fans with 5"charcoal filters for exhaust.
Think maybe I should get a run in soil under my belt before I invest more into making 75 ppk's. I think I may not have a choice. Just saying 75 ppk's sounds expencive. Fml.
Maybe nevermind. I will come back in a couple months. Lol.
Any tips or suggestions are welcome. Thanks guys.

 

[delta9nxs]

I was referring to my re-cap - while kneeling/balancing & holding an open water line - skills! We can stage re-cap races using the drt-1 timers

That reminds me to ask if you have dislodged a tire valve from a bucket or bin before? Is it a lost cause? I have the tire valve tool.

It is Wormsway using a funky product code for sure.

i "dislodge" them with a pair of channel locks and a box knife. just bend the valve over a little bit and cut it off. i cut all mine off for transport so the buckets would nest.