NFL FOOTBALL 2012

[Homer J Pimpin]

 

[Nosmo King]

Greg Aiello of the NFL just sent a mass tweet: pleased to report an agreement has been reached with the NFL Referees Association

 

[Bababooey]

Great!



Now we can get back to complaining about the old refs...

 

[Stoner4Life]

These are the Week Four betting lines before the return of regular refs.

 

[Ottoman]

Last week 9 underdogs won/covered.....That is the most in 1 week in the last 20 years! Hard to believe the refs don't have a little something to do with that....Back to football!

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

This is what players were afraid of, a ref costing them a game. Not surprised we're finally hearing about a deal with the regular refs now.

Homer, I gotta think you're just playing contrarian to think Tate caught that ball. Because no one in their right mind thinks he caught that ball, even Golden Tate regardless of what he said post-game.

6 NFL officials, not counting the refs on the field, reviewed the play and didn't overturn it. The replacement ref messing up is one thing, the review panel getting it wrong too is just bizarre.

Too bad it wasn't the Redkins or Cowboys, their owners would've freaked out so bad a deal would've been done about an hour after the game.

heres what I saw and how I understand it......the pass was in the endzone......both players got hands on it at the same time...As long as Tate dose not forfeit possession it's a td.......Tate moved one hand for a split second they both fell to the ground with BOTH hands on the ball....Tate gained possession as he came out of the pile with the ball....It's a td end of debate...I know you like to follow popular opinion instead of forming a objective one but I'm different I'm not concerned weather or not I'm popular so I can see it truely objective.....I have nfl game rewind so I can watch hd streams anytime I want so I just re watched it 10 times........It was a close call that could have gone either way.....And the single only thing you have in your defense is that tate re positioned his right hand before they hit the ground..which by rule dose NOT forfeit possession once on the ground Tate clearly reipped the ball away.So get over it, stop crying and move on.....
People have been looking for a excuse to rip these replacement refs since pre season....It's popular to berate them and say how bad they are.I see a bunch of men who were forced into a no win situation and tried their best to do a impossible job.....Did Tate actually catch it ? I don't know and either do you....Did Jennings actually intercept it....I dont know and either do you.....The only 2 people who knows are Tate and Jennings...the rest is just white noise.....There is no picture or video clip in existence that shows clearly what actually happened....So it was a judgement call.....could have gone either way it was that close that no one in their right mind could say definitively who actually had possession and thats just the FACTS....So thats why I stand by every word I said........The thing I said that was not true was that gb committed d holding on the play...after rewatching it they did not but Tate did push off....That is the call or non call that actually decided the outcome.....And that is what GB fans should be crying about.......The other call was just too close to see clearly.So how bout you get real..........

 

[Ottoman]

Homer your on an island all by yourself my man, I think only you Pete Carroll and Golden Tate thinks that was a TD....I think it very clear it wasn't a TD, just my 2 cents...

The officical rule on a simultaneous catch goes as: If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.

Tate only got equal possession of the ball fully once he hit the ground which is not a simultaneous catch. In the picture above you can cleary see his right arm off the ball while Jennings has caught the ball and its at his chest. Problem with a simultaneous catch is that you can't review it so there was no evidence to actually turn the play over....

Here is the proof...

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In this picture does Tate clearly have control or even equal possesion of the ball?, plain and simple, NO....

 

[Ottoman]

Can we please drop this by the way it done and over with and nothing is going to change, expect it was obviously the final straw to get the regular refs in...I think we can agree on that.

 

[CalcioErba2004]

I don't really watch American Football...Don't the referees have the option to look at instant replays of the game right there on the field? Seems this would have made the decision clear...this is crap that happens in Football(Soccer) all the time...

 

[Storm Shadow]

I want to see Josh Gordon break out tonight.... It'd be nice to see a fellow Stoner put it down

 

[Ottoman]

Calcio, yes you're correct they do have the option to look at the reply and for that matter every TD scored is reviewed automatically....Problem here is that a simultaneous catch is not a reviewable play (thats what they said on TV at least)...so there was nothing in the review they could overturn, if the refs had called INT on the play that would have stuck too, even if it was a clear TD...

 

[CalcioErba2004]

Calcio, yes you're correct they do have the option to look at the reply and for that matter every TD scored is reviewed automatically....Problem here is that a simultaneous catch is not a reviewable play (thats what they said on TV at least)...so there was nothing in the review they could overturn, if the refs had called INT on the play that would have stuck too, even if it was a clear TD...

Ok I get it. So it could have went either way...damn the rules of this game are complicated. I saw the replay, the Green Bay player clearly caught the ball first...THanks for responding, I'll get outta you guy's thread now hehe. Keep it danK!

 

[Ottoman]

Calcio, Yes basically whatever call they made on the field was going to stick regardless of a review. Also no need to get out my man....this is a football thread! ask away on any questions you may have, and yes the rules are complicated at times, I am still even a little unsure if a simultaneous is a reviewable play or not, the announcers were saying this and its not impossible they were wrong...



Hey homer, wanted to ask you did you hear the fake story yesterday that Big Ben got in a car accident and broke his leg? It was a fake article that spread for about an hour before the steelers cleared up it was nothing but a Hoax....

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

Homer your on an island all by yourself my man, I think only you Pete Carroll and Golden Tate thinks that was a TD....I think it very clear it wasn't a TD, just my 2 cents...





Here is the proof...


In this picture does Tate clearly have control or even equal possesion of the ball?, plain and simple, NO....

otto dude that is the worst blurriest pic in the world and actually discredits your arguement you cant see a damn thing in it so i went ahead and took a screenshot of the instant the ball arrived that clearly shows a simotanious catch.....good ole tecnogoly..and the quote from the rule book is irevelant because tate never lost and regained possesion he had 1 hand on the ball throughout the whole play and i dare you to find the rule that defines possesion as having 2 hands on the ball

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

Calcio, yes you're correct they do have the option to look at the reply and for that matter every TD scored is reviewed automatically....Problem here is that a simultaneous catch is not a reviewable play (thats what they said on TV at least)...so there was nothing in the review they could overturn, if the refs had called INT on the play that would have stuck too, even if it was a clear TD...

it is reviewable at least if its a touchdown call they reviewed the play.....in the field of play Im not clear on weather or not simultaneous is a reviewable play but Im positive that for a td it is.

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

Calcio, Yes basically whatever call they made on the field was going to stick regardless of a review. Also no need to get out my man....this is a football thread! ask away on any questions you may have, and yes the rules are complicated at times, I am still even a little unsure if a simultaneous is a reviewable play or not, the announcers were saying this and its not impossible they were wrong...



Hey homer, wanted to ask you did you hear the fake story yesterday that Big Ben got in a car accident and broke his leg? It was a fake article that spread for about an hour before the steelers cleared up it was nothing but a Hoax....

I did not hear it or see anything on it....good thing about the steelers this year is even if it was true we got byron and charlie ready to go but with our o line and soft defence so far this seasons a wash anyway

 

[rasputin]

I've seen this movie before and know full well how it ends. Your inane babbling is not worth responding to at any great length so I'll keep it short and simple. You are easier to read than the phone book and even less interesting. Same shit from you every time someone disagrees with you. "Sheep!" "Follower!" Every time. Must be nice to always be right.

Otto, the weird thing is I found out this week 'simultaneous catch' can be overturned/reviewed. Obvious question: why didn't the NFL guys in the booth, NOT the replacement refs on the field, tell the ref that when the play was being reviewed!? That's the crazy part to all of this. The ref on the field didn't know it could be overturned, so we're told, so they were looking for a reason NOT to call it simultaneous catch but couldn't come up with one based on the footage. Like, oh I don't know, offensive pass interference directly before Jennings caught the ball?

There was an opportunity, hell some could call it an obligation, to get it right and they didn't. And the NFL doesn't seem interested in even entertaining the question 'Why?' Fahq it though, real refs are back and we can start bitching about the bad calls they make instead!

 

[Ottoman]

and the quote from the rule book is irevelant

To you its irrelevant to the rest of us it makes perfect sense...there is a reason its a written rule.

 

[Ottoman]

On to tonights game! Baltimore vs Cleveland with balt giving 12 pts....pretty high spread for a team that is playing its 4th game in only 17 days...I am sure the ravens are a little tired but not tired enough to lose this game. I think the ravens corners are much stronger than the browns WR's which will make it hard for them to establish the run game IMO...Im not betting my own money but I'd say the Browns cover by 2 points and only because they're catching the ravens on a short week, plus the browns D is actually pretty good.

 

[watts]

hate to bitch but i hate how Thursday nights games are on the NFL network. I don't get that channel. Is there a reason they play it on that channel? Does it have something to do with getting people to buy DirecTv or something?