NFL FOOTBALL 2012

[Ottoman]

Storm Shadow, Cutler's o-line is pretty bad he is def one the the most sacked QB's in the league since he got to the bears. I really don't question his toughness I've seen him take a beating in many games in his bears career. To me its his attitude, he thinks he can make any and every throw on the field so many times he just throws it to someone who is totally covered. But when you think about it when we see Tom Brady or Peyton Manning yelling at someone or getting pissed everyone says "man what a leader" when cutler does the same things seems a lot of people say "what a whiner." Probably because he really hasn't done much in the playoffs or a SB, this may be why we feel more tempted to feel that way about him....

 

[Space Toker]

well a little late to the game but I wish my Patriots and the refs could get it together!

 

[Bababooey]

Tomlin: the standard is the standard.

Steelers fan: are we talking about the same standard? can we average more than 2 yards a rush? who are we, the cleveland browns?

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

Golden Tate did not have full possession, u clearly see 1 hand come off the ball when they were falling to the ground. Now if that hand doesn't come off then yea close play could have went either way but he did not get that hand back on instill they came to the ground, while Jennings had possessions the whole time.

his right hand came off the ball yes but his left hand was on the ball the whole time and the only thing between the ball and Jenning's jersy..You don't need 2 hands to have possesion....then after they went to the ground he managed to get the ball completly away from Jennings.It was a good call....the right call.........I dont care 1 bit about either team....I'm just giving my opnion...I think the Packers are acting like little crybaby bitches.....If it truely was a bad call then the commish would have had to adress it....But Roger aint saying a thing is he...only the butt hurt packers and their fanboys are crying.....I dont care how popular my completly objective view point is......I stand by it....If it were my call to make I'd also say touchdown....I've seen a whole lot of 1 hand catches over the years with recievers gaining possesion over defenders with only 1 hand......they both got their hands on it at the same time.......good call.....The only thing I could see that was missed was a push off on Tate and Defensive holding on the Packers.Both teams commited fouls on the play but on hail mary passes those are never called anyway for any team period.....

 

[Ottoman]

Homer, agreed the PI call in the endzone isn't a big deal, didn't see any defensive holding tho I missed that, but like you said those hail mary penalties are never called....I have to strongly disagree with you on the catch though, When one guy has only a couple fingers on the ball and his other hand is off it, even for a split second, to me that is not a simultaneous catch. It was very obvious Tate had no real possession until the refs ran over to the pile which seemed like it took them forever, also if it was the right call why did one ref signal a touchback (int) and the other signals a TD? Also after that happen the back judge and side judge didn't even go over and discuss the play with the main ref, that was weird.....Now Rodger is in no way gonna come out and say publicly "yeah those refs are terrible we need the regular ones back," after they blow a game. I think it's kind of insulting to fans to say that was the proper call, we all saw what we saw.....There is no way that the game is going to get reversed cause of bad officiating, I could be wrong but I don't believe any game has ever been over turned for a team after the fact, they aint gonna start now. The NFL came out and said it was the right call because they need to save their asses right now, on top of that the Packers are a publicly owned franchise so they won't have any GB owner barking in their ear about that game which makes it a lot easier on big Rodger.

 

[Ottoman]

Also and I believe this strongly even tho the play was reviewed by the ref at the end of the game, they kept the call the way it was because of the fear of what might happen in that seattle stadium if they over turned it....I believe the big wigs up above told them to have the play stand and to get the hell put of that place, easier to deal with just the away team being mad rather than the possibility of a riot on the refs if they over turned it....I am glad those big wigs are at least concerned for there shitty replacement refs health, obviously they can care less about the players health....

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

Dude are you for real ? a coulpe of fingers? I saw the play 100 times man his whole left hand was wraped around the ball and the right hand came off and was right back on in 1 second his left hand was between the ball and jennings jersywhile jennings only had a couple of fingers on the sides of the ball trying to get it away from tate.think logicly for a second ok if a guy has 2 hands on the ball and another has 1 and they are fighting for possesion then why couldnt jennings rip it away from a 1 handed grip...I'll tell you why because Tate had the primary possesion thats why....Tate had more of the ball in his possesion. the whole time.......It was a good call....and the rest sounds like conspirisy theroy stuff to me......I'm not defending the refs either they are not doing a great job anyone can see that they are confused just about every call......every game this year has one ref signaling one thing and another ref something else so that means didly squat.You want to think that G.B. got robbed fine.I just don't believe they did so we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Ottoman]

exactly he took his right hand/arm off the ball as if he was playing defender rather then receiver, at that point no catch, easy as that....I'd have to say Homer people in the state of Washington love you, lol.....but yes I guess will have to disagree but not trying to be a prick when I say this but I think your in the minority of people that feel that way.

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

Otto you dont have to try you are a natural prick...j/k..I realise that I'm in the minority and am just fine with that.I think alot of people just follow the herd so I actually prefer the minority....I see your points and at least your sticking to them.....but I dont agree that just cause he moved his right hand for better security that he forfited possesion especially considering that with 2 hands he still could not get the ball secure over a one handed guy......Ahhhhhhhhhh foozball greatest game in the world....I bet we can both agree on that.

 

[Ottoman]

The officical rule on a simultaneous catch goes as: If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.

Tate only got equal possession of the ball fully once he hit the ground which is not a simultaneous catch. In the picture above you can cleary see his right arm off the ball while Jennings has caught the ball and its at his chest. Problem with a simultaneous catch is that you can't review it so there was no evidence to actually turn the play over....


Can't stand Colin Cowherd over the years, but he grows on me as time as times gone on, prefer listening to anyone on the WFAN over those hacks at ESPN, those guys are such jokes all they do it steal everyone elses info and come on the air with "breaking news" "sources tell us" yeah what sources NFL network, yahoo sports, WFAN???? yeah they just take info and basically steal it or don't cite where they got the info from...

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

I hate espn it's just a joke.........like you said regurgitating info and trying to take credit for it.......NFL network is ok I like Rich Esien and love Lindsay Soto.....I know there are hotter women commentators but Lindsay just get's through to me.....I think her voice and legs are super sexy..

 

[Ottoman]

HAHAHA yes homer, I agree there is something about a small blonde that loves football they just touch your heart and make your knees weak. I like watching NFL network as well more people who actually played the game who do the talking which I like....And not to stay on this topic because I am like you I have no vested interest in either team but the thing that disappoints me the most is this....Simultaneous catch is not a reviewable play which means that whatever the call was at the end of the game would have stuck whether it was a TD or INT. My problem is this the back judge says touchback (INT) and side judge says TD, none of the refs got together to talk about which call they were calling! The ref just ran over to the TV because all scored are reviewed and didn't even consult with the side or back judges......This to me this attacks the integrity of the game...

 

[Homer J Pimpin]

I can agree the integrity of the game is lacking but ya know even when its the regular ref's we all think they are being bought or biased when things don't go our way......it's the nature of it.....These guy's are making mistakes but they are posed with a huge challange and task but they rise up to it and I believe they really try hard to get it right so they earned my respect for that alone....on the flip side man I can't be watching too many more 4 &1/2 hour football games.....They got to work out a deal just cause of that ......

 

[Ottoman]

Yes the regular refs are gonna get blasted when they come back that is for sure, and your right these replacement refs are trying their very best it not like these guys want to look bad, they have some pride I am sure....It's just that they are not trained/qualified enough to ref at the speed the game is going, the refs look clueless sometimes because simply the game just look way to fast for them, not the same as Division III, arena league, or lingerie bowl and this isn't the refs fault, they need time to get used to NFL speed but that doesn't happen in just a couple weeks...This tells me that the NFL has done a terrible job selecting and training these guys and you'd think they would want to protect the brand and safety of players. Also some of the 1 o'clock games go well into the 1 qtrs of the 4 o'clock games, piss poor I agree....

 

[watts]

ESPN is reporting the original refs are coming back as early as sunday and the players and coaches will be very happy.

 

[Ottoman]

Watts kinda of crazy right now, listening to mike francesa on WFAN new york and he just came on and said Peter King of SI is saying "a deal is not imminent" on his twitter account.

Also threw on NLF network for shits and giggles and their breaking news is Bill Belichick being fined 50K for touching the ref...

 

[Ottoman]

I don't tweet or anything like but I just googled his tweet thing and he just posted this minutes ago....Ed Hochuli is the boss....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/09/26/referees-deal/index.html

 

[rasputin]

This is what players were afraid of, a ref costing them a game. Not surprised we're finally hearing about a deal with the regular refs now.

Homer, I gotta think you're just playing contrarian to think Tate caught that ball. Because no one in their right mind thinks he caught that ball, even Golden Tate regardless of what he said post-game.

6 NFL officials, not counting the refs on the field, reviewed the play and didn't overturn it. The replacement ref messing up is one thing, the review panel getting it wrong too is just bizarre.

Too bad it wasn't the Redkins or Cowboys, their owners would've freaked out so bad a deal would've been done about an hour after the game.

 

[watts]

sport science did a detailed analysis of the play and they concluded that the refs did make the wrong call. whether green bay deserved to win or not is moot, in my opinion, when it comes to this specific play.

it was on TV/ESPN and i can't seem to find the video online yet

 

[whadeezlrg]

the nfl has been trying to hush everyone(players,coaches,media etc.) I dont find it a surprise that they would support the bad call...seemed like it was more important to play hardball w/ real refs and hope that these guys wouldn't screw up too bad to hinder their efforts on the negotiation table....monday night ruined that plan imho.